P de Villiers

[Ruggo]

Cheers Blue. :thumb

 

[Hartman]

"Schalk moet net ophou die mense se oee uitkrap"

Blue or Paarl, What does that mean in english?

I'm not Afrikaans other than what I've learned in the last year, but I'm 99% sure that it means "Schalk must just stop scratching peoples' eyes out"

 

[Moses]

I really feel for poor old Schalk, having to live with the constant death threats from his home crowd...

 

[Hartman]

Hahaha, I can only imagine the confusion when Afrikaans fans hold up "Die Burger" signs in the crowd...

 

[qwerty51]

Hahaha, I can only imagine the confusion when Afrikaans fans hold up "Die Burger" signs in the crowd...

What does that mean? Google translate says "The Citizen", why would they hold that up in the crowd? Saw a few during Stormers games

 

[Moses]

What does that mean? Google translate says "The Citizen", why would they hold that up in the crowd? Saw a few during Stormers games

The citizens of cape town are very mean spirited and wish Burger would die. Perhaps he draws motivation from the hostility in the crowd

 

[Ruggo]

For an english speaking person watching a game played at Newlands on TV, those advertising signs that say die burger are bloody ironic. Good to know what it actually means.

 

[Ruggo]

I'm not Afrikaans other than what I've learned in the last year, but I'm 99% sure that it means "Schalk must just stop scratching peoples' eyes out"

Cheers and I would have to say that is some good advice.

 

[Blue]

The citizens of cape town are very mean spirited and wish Burger would die. Perhaps he draws motivation from the hostility in the crowd

Lol. Quite the contrary. The Burger family walk on water in the Western Cape. Schalk Super Rugby owns about half of it.

 

[PaarlBok]

For an english speaking person watching a game played at Newlands on TV, those advertising signs that say die burger are bloody ironic. Good to know what it actually means.

LoL Die Burger is our Cape Province boer newspaper and is part of the News24 group. In the Gauteng its Die Beeld and Tin Ear country its "Die Volksblad" Those names comes back more then a 100 years ago and is Dutch driven.

They dish those Burger carton signs out by the 1000s on your way to the games at Newlands. Myself have a few at home.

The Burger surname is a well known one in SA specially around Paarl, Freek Burger the other one from here.

 

[Blue]

This cracks me up.

P Div reckons he has started preparing the Boks to play Tonga and Fiji at the World Cup. Only problem is we play Samoa, not Tonga. Small difference I know, but I like my coach to at least know who the fuck the team has to play. I know it's a lot to ask but as you know it's the little details that win you a World Cup.

Really, you guys should not worry about us.

http://www.keo.co.za/2010/09/13/boks-gearing-up-for-tonga/#more-67876

Boks gearing up for Tonga

GRANT BALL writes that Peter de Villiers’ comment that the Springboks are preparing for a game against Tonga at next year’s World Cup shows how prepared he really is.

De Villiers believes all the structures are in place to mount a World Cup title defence and to deflect attention from their poor results over the past year. He’s said his side must be judged on that tournament. But on live television on Thursday, on Boots and All’s celebratory episode of one year until the global showpiece starts, De Villiers said the Boks were expecting tough games from Tonga and Fiji, with the former not even in their group.

Ignorance and arrogance have been two of the trademarks of the De Villiers tenure, and this remark is the latest to highlight how confident Bok supporters should be regarding the knowledge of their coach. Forget about the crass political and racist remarks he’s uttered over the last two and half years, but here was a chance to talk rugby and inspire some confidence. Unforgivably for the national coach, he doesn’t know that the Boks are playing Samoa in their final group match, and not Tonga (who will play in the World Cup opener against the All Blacks).

Even though De Villiers spends little time preparing the side, all he has to do is remember that the Boks are playing four countries at next year’s World Cup – Wales, Fiji, Samoa and Namibia. We wonder why he says so many silly things, such as being mystified as to why the Boks lost five of six Tri-Nations matches this year and prefers to blame the refs for those defeats, but it all comes down to one thing: he doesn’t know enough about the game to comment articulately.

Some blame his media mistakes on him not speaking Afrikaans, but confusing Tonga and Samoa isn’t a language issue. Other supporters may blame Thursday’s gaffe on him being nervous, but if it was an honest mistake he could’ve corrected himself. Later this month Saru will conduct a review of the Boks’ poor results and De Villiers’ comments, and this latest remark should also be brought up.

There’s no way any of the assessors can confidently say that De Villiers is the correct man for the job. From a rugby perspective he’s out of his league, and from a public relations perspective there will be some more disastrous moments if De Villiers makes it to the World Cup, which is looking increasingly likely. The British, Australian and New Zealand media, who have shared heated exchanges with De Villiers in the past, will be eager to give him a grilling this time next year. With De Villiers failing to handle them in the past, expect that to continue.

De Villiers’ latest gaffe is also sure to be remembered by the Samoans, and their coaching staff will have some extra ammunition to fire up the players before next year’s 30 September clash.

 

[Thomond78]

Snor's record in the pre-RWC year is better than White's. You remember, the mad bastard Jake White, who stubbornly refused to pick a fetcher, under any circumstances, who was a laughing stock and who was about to be shown the door?

 

[Blue]

Snor's record in the pre-RWC year is better than White's. You remember, the mad bastard Jake White, who stubbornly refused to pick a fetcher, under any circumstances, who was a laughing stock and who was about to be shown the door?

Get over it T78. Your arguments in defense of Piet are really thin.

The bottom line is he was handed a team primed for battle and is slowly running it into the ground and make a fool of himself all over the world in the process.

Yes Jake had a terrible year leading into the cup and yes there was the fetcher issue etc etc etc.

You simply cannot compare. The damage Piet is doing to SA rugby and the image of SA goes lightyears beyond anything Jake White could ever dream up. He is also completely against giving younger players a chance which means that after the World Cup we will be completely back to square one.

I don't know if your continued defense is an attempt to bait me but you really need to start presenting a compelling argument to keep PdV that's a bit more coherent than drawing parallels to Jake White.

Ps Snor's latest record is 6 from 13 with 3 wins being Italy. That is not good enough with over 700 caps in your squad.

 

[Scotty]

I do always wonder why Thomond defends PDV so strongly? Thomond, is there a personal type connection there?

Ultimately Bok supporters won't care what PDV does if they win next year, but Blue is right in saying he is doing a lot of damage to not only south african rugby, but to the reputation of south africa as a whole. Of course his blind support by the SARU makes it even worse. I can't remember another any other coach of an international rugby team being so 'loose' and still not receiving any real censure from his employers.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

While most of the rugby world would like nothing better than to see the Saffers belted out of the RWC in the 1/4s, like the ANZACS managed last time, we need to take stock about the financial situation.

I may be wrong but much of the S15 TV money comes from the saffers. This money goes to our beloved ARU and the S15 franchises to be able to pay their players.

If Saffer money dries up due to poor RWC performance, then it will roll on to us.

Secondly would you part with 100 + hard earned drinking tokens to see a foregone conclusion of a match against the Saffers. Well maybe the first couple of times we all would, but not for too long. Soon those games would be at Concord Oval.

We all want to see a ding dong battle agains the best that the Bokke can throw at us.

Bottom line PdV should be on his bike for the betterment of world rugby.

Timing is everything however, so with a healthy dose of self interest, this should occur with just enough time for the Bokke to be competitive next RWC without allowing them too much time that they can develop to be a genuine threat to RWC supremacy.

Still it would be good to see them drop to about IRB World rank #5. We've been there before, and still won 2 RWC's.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Let's raise a glass to the good fortune of P Divvy

From NZ Herald on line
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10676762
By Wynne Gray

Whew! From all accounts, even among those wearing the crustiest Springbok blazers, there was some serious heat on Peter de Villiers and his South African coaching entourage.

That group and the players had managed a solitary Tri-Nations victory this season, one measly win in Pretoria against the Wallabies after trailing 21-7 at one stage.

It was not a good look. The results sheet looked shabby, P Divvy had made more vocal gaffes than George Dubya and there were some serious rumblings about the need to shore up the coaching group.

While de Villiers managed to bridge some of the awkward political and coaching duties, he had also lit more fires than the South African Rugby Union wanted to extinguish.

It was looking serious. Sanzar allies New Zealand, Australia and other leading nations like France must have waited warily for a result because of murmurings about an unfavourable conclusion for de Villiers and his cohorts Gary Gold and Dick Muir in their season review.

The Boks had the worst attacking and defensive numbers in the Tri-Nations, they seemed caught between injecting new players and retaining pillars like captain John Smit.


They were hurt in the absence of outstanding halfback Fourie du Preez, though his deputy Francois Hougaard was a sharp rooster.

De Villiers did not appear to have grasped the law changes or been able to integrate them with the Springboks' natural skills and aptitude. He continued with strategies which benefited the Boks last season.

Round those issues, P Divvy made odd decisions like using Jean de Villiers on the wing, defending thuggish behaviour from Bakkies Botha, blueing with Francois Steyn and coming out with all sorts of verbal clangers.

Former Wallaby skipper Nick Farr-Jones labelled P Divvy's work unpredictable, controversial and a liability while Wales assistant coach Shaun Edwards called him an "utter clown" and commentator Brendan Cannon described him simply as a "clown" but had to apologise because of his high-profile work.

Then New Zealand and Australia chipped in asking for a Sanzar hearing into P Divvy's behaviour. That provoked the ire of SARU boss Oregan Hoskins, who labelled it a "declaration of war".

It was more like foolish. Why would New Zealand and Australia want a struggling Springbok coach removed? P Divvy is the best ally the Tri-Nations sides have for next year's series and subsequent World Cup.

Fortunately SARU came to the same conclusion. De Villiers will be in charge of the Boks on their end-of-year tour and unless there is a massive meltdown on that trip, he will be in charge for the seventh World Cup in New Zealand.

Now, you Brits, go easy on P Divvy. He's a good bloke, misunderstood. He's bringing over a composite side to tackle the Grand Slam, cut him some slack and just enjoy the journey because there will be a few laughs along the way.

 

[Moses]

This cracks me up
P Div reckons he has started preparing the Boks to play Tonga and Fiji at the World Cup. Only problem is we play Samoa, not Tonga. Small difference I know, but I like my coach to at least know who the fuck the team has to play. I know it's a lot to ask but as you know it's the little details that win you a World Cup.

He's right to worry about Fiji, they damn near knocked you out of the last RWC

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[Blue]

He's right to worry about Fiji, they damn near knocked you out of the last RWC

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True. Maybe it's all part of his master plan to confuse the opposition by making them think they're someone else.

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[whatty]

If Saffer money dries up due to poor RWC performance, then it will roll on to us.

No just the pie will get smaller once the next agreement is struck.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Timing all wrong for Boks to play political game

Interesting article from Paul Carozza's Orthopedic surgeon and Greg Cooper's Ophthalmologist (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby-union-loe-banned-for-gouging-1556429.html).

Not sure that this is the right thread, but Blue and Paarl may have comment to make, on the Saffer angle. The article could go on several threads.

Interesting that Loe appears to support G Henry's assertion that the Men in Gold are the threats for RWC 2011 rather than the French who the Darkness traditionally choke to.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10679389
By Richard Loe

It was interesting to hear Graham Henry say the other day the team he thought would be the All Blacks' biggest competition for the Rugby World Cup was Australia.

I have been saying that for some time and what's going on in South African rugby is at least part of the reason the Boks are not rated as highly right now.

I was over in South Africa recently, at a Murray Mexted IRANZ coaching stint, and who should turn up one day but Springbok coach Peter de Villiers. Well, all I can say is ... what an odd little man.

He just rubs people up the wrong way in a short space of time and, after he'd gone, one of the South African coaches there said to me in a thick Bok accent: "You see, Richard, what we have to put up with?"

De Villiers has held on to his job after the recent review - but it was a bit of a circus.

Politically, it appears he tried to blame Dick Muir and Gary Gold, his assistants, to save his own job.


It came out in the South African media that he had tried to interest at least four other people in the job - Western Province coach Allister Coetzee, Bulls coach Frans Ludeke, former Bulls coach Heyneke Meyer and even former All Black coach (now with the Lions) John Mitchell.

All turned him down, apparently. However, the news that de Villiers had been approaching others got out - and made the SARU and de Villiers look a bit sick.

They followed that up by announcing the coaching team had been retained in full - but that was pretty transparent to most people.

Also breaking in the media over there was the story that Absa - the big company which sponsors the Currie Cup and the Boks - was putting the pressure on the SARU to press further ahead with transformation.

That's the cute word invented to say that black or coloured players get into teams ahead of white players, even though they might not have the ability yet.

You can see why the South Africans want to do this long-term - but just ahead of a World Cup is not the time to be making political selections, based on race.

I have worked with a lot of South African academy players to whom this has happened and they all say they wouldn't be worried if the black or coloured players chosen over them were better than they were.

You add all this up and it amounts to big trouble for the Boks. We all know the senior players are running the team - but if that team is going to be heavily populated with players not chosen strictly on merit, anyone would struggle with that assignment.

De Villiers originally intended to take a second-string Bok side to Europe for their end of year tour which starts next month, to rest his senior players ahead of RWC 2011. But now he is starting to make noises that he might take his stars - or most of them.

I spoke to Dick Muir a few weeks ago and he told me they badly needed to rest their senior players to get them right for next year. You see, Muir is thinking of the future.

For de Villiers, a man under pressure, the future is his next game.

Meanwhile, in Australia, Robbie Deans has been building depth, talent and experience - and attitude.

I believe that if he can get his front five right, the Wallabies will be a real problem come World Cup time.

They are already the closest to the All Blacks at present in terms of style, skill and approach.