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poolersaint
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Hi guys,
Wales had a pretty poor 6 Nations in the U20's. Our best player at that level flyhalf Dan Bigger was involved with the senior squad (although he didn't play) and missed the whole series for the U20's.
We have another couple of talented backs - Jason Tovey a 15/10 (not in the current tournament - had to stay home to help his regional side the Dragons play a Heineken Cup playoff game) and winger Kristain Phillips, who is really quick but misses this tournament through injury.
The forwards, although a decent unit are on the small side for international rugby. To give you an example when we played Scotland in the 6 nations our 2nd row's were 6'3" and 6'4" tall and their opposite numbers in the Scots team were 6'7"and 6'8" (don't know those in metric sorry !)
Most of the Welsh squad have another season at this level so are still pretty young but I'll be surprised if any of the forwards make the grade as pro's.
The 3 point punishment is pretty harsh, the two unions should have been given bigger fines and the players involved suspended for longer. To penalise this crop of players for someone else's wrongdoings is bonkers !! :nta:
Wales had a pretty poor 6 Nations in the U20's. Our best player at that level flyhalf Dan Bigger was involved with the senior squad (although he didn't play) and missed the whole series for the U20's.
We have another couple of talented backs - Jason Tovey a 15/10 (not in the current tournament - had to stay home to help his regional side the Dragons play a Heineken Cup playoff game) and winger Kristain Phillips, who is really quick but misses this tournament through injury.
The forwards, although a decent unit are on the small side for international rugby. To give you an example when we played Scotland in the 6 nations our 2nd row's were 6'3" and 6'4" tall and their opposite numbers in the Scots team were 6'7"and 6'8" (don't know those in metric sorry !)
Most of the Welsh squad have another season at this level so are still pretty young but I'll be surprised if any of the forwards make the grade as pro's.
The 3 point punishment is pretty harsh, the two unions should have been given bigger fines and the players involved suspended for longer. To penalise this crop of players for someone else's wrongdoings is bonkers !! :nta:
poolersaint said:
Welcome aboard, poolersaint, do we call you Bobby, Charlie or Graham?
It's disappointing to read not all the best under 20 Welsh players are in Japan. I think I can speak for my SANZAR brothers when I say we don't understand the club v country conflict in the NH. We in the SH always want to see our best players involved in representative matches. This is one of the defining differences in our rugby philosophies: every team in our rugby pyramids is vitally concerned for the success of the team immediately above them. You should see the pride rugby clubs place in listing representative players, at any level, on their honour boards.
There's still rugby being played in Wales in mid-June? Sounds like too much rugby to me, especially for a 19 year old.
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poolersaint
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The only rugby played was the Heineken Cup play off against an Italian side, the Italian season was still running but the Welsh season had finished a month or so earlier. The Italians and French tend to play well into June with their finals etc - which is a really long season.
Nice to see the name of Pooler is still known outside Wales too !! 8) (thats Pontypool rugby club for those who don't know)
Oh, and well done to the Oz U20 side on their comfortable victory over Wales !
And as I write this France have just turned over the All Blacks 27-22 !!! Well done the Froggies !!!! ;D
Nice to see the name of Pooler is still known outside Wales too !! 8) (thats Pontypool rugby club for those who don't know)
Oh, and well done to the Oz U20 side on their comfortable victory over Wales !
And as I write this France have just turned over the All Blacks 27-22 !!! Well done the Froggies !!!! ;D
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rugbywhisperer
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Great win for the Aus u20 38 - 5 over Wales.
One step further than last year and now for the Kiwi's.
One step further than last year and now for the Kiwi's.
poolersaint said:
So this kid Tovey missed an iRB Under 20 World Cup to stay back in Wales to play one match in a month against an Italian club. Wouldn't the Dragons second stringers clean up most Italians? I wonder if any their players chose to miss the OZ/NZ tour to play for that club. This is where we in the SH worry about the priorities of NH rugby.
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Spook
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rugbywhisperer said:
I might be forced to eat my words but the kiwis u20 don't look very good IMO.
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poolersaint
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Lindommer said:
Tovey was actually selected for the full Wales tour to North America, so he missed out on two full caps to play a one-off meaningless game against the Italians ! Crazy isn't it.
There were actually 4 players from the Dragons selected in the initial tour party and all were then told they'd have to stay at home to play in the play-off game and miss out on the Wales tour. The Dragons won the game away in Italy by 40-odd points anyway and as you say the 2nd teamers could have done the job out there.
Most people over here couldn't see why he couldn't have gone to the iRB junior RWC as they didn't leave for Japan until a week or two after the playoff game.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Bugger - Beale out with a hammy. Can't see that coming good in 4 days.
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Australia into Semi Finals at IRB Junior World Championships
June 14, 2009 - 12:06am
Story by: ARU
Albert Anae in action
Albert Anae was among the tryscorers for Australia Under 20s
Australia will play New Zealand in the semi finals of the IRB Junior World Championships after downing Wales 38-5 in their final Pool D match in Fukuoka tonight.
The Australian Under 20's ran in four second half tries to crush the Welsh after four penalty goals from halfback Richard Kingi had them heading to the break with a 12-0 lead.
Queensland winger Rod Davies crossed twice during the second half points-scoring flurry, while second rower Rob Simmons and prop Albert Anae also collected tries.
The one disappointment for the Australians was a hamstring injury to fullback Kurtley Beale which forced him from the field after 20 minutes.
Scans tomorrow will determine whether he plays in the semi final showdown with tournament favourites New Zealand in Tokyo on Wednesday.
"It was a good performance, clearly our best of the championships to date," said Australian Under 20 coach David Nucifora.
"The forwards really upped the ante. They dominated the Welsh in all areas.
"Even at halftime we were travelling well.
"We had to run into the wind in that first half and to go to the break with a 12-point advantage was an indication of how well we combined across the park.
"Obviously we're hoping Kurtley will be OK for the semi final. He's certainly played and trained well since we arrived here."
The Australians opened their campaign with an 86-0 win over Canada.
They followed up with a 40-6 victory over Tonga.
The win over Wales gave them a total of 164 points from their three pool matches, with only 11 against, and just one try conceded.
AUSTRALIA 38 (Rod Davies 2, Rob Simmons, Albert Anae tries; Richard Kingi 4 pen goals, 2 cons, Nick White 1 con) def WALES 5.
Australia will play New Zealand in the semi finals with the other semi final between South Africa and England.
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Australia into Semi Finals at IRB Junior World Championships
June 14, 2009 - 12:06am
Story by: ARU
Albert Anae in action
Albert Anae was among the tryscorers for Australia Under 20s
Australia will play New Zealand in the semi finals of the IRB Junior World Championships after downing Wales 38-5 in their final Pool D match in Fukuoka tonight.
The Australian Under 20's ran in four second half tries to crush the Welsh after four penalty goals from halfback Richard Kingi had them heading to the break with a 12-0 lead.
Queensland winger Rod Davies crossed twice during the second half points-scoring flurry, while second rower Rob Simmons and prop Albert Anae also collected tries.
The one disappointment for the Australians was a hamstring injury to fullback Kurtley Beale which forced him from the field after 20 minutes.
Scans tomorrow will determine whether he plays in the semi final showdown with tournament favourites New Zealand in Tokyo on Wednesday.
"It was a good performance, clearly our best of the championships to date," said Australian Under 20 coach David Nucifora.
"The forwards really upped the ante. They dominated the Welsh in all areas.
"Even at halftime we were travelling well.
"We had to run into the wind in that first half and to go to the break with a 12-point advantage was an indication of how well we combined across the park.
"Obviously we're hoping Kurtley will be OK for the semi final. He's certainly played and trained well since we arrived here."
The Australians opened their campaign with an 86-0 win over Canada.
They followed up with a 40-6 victory over Tonga.
The win over Wales gave them a total of 164 points from their three pool matches, with only 11 against, and just one try conceded.
AUSTRALIA 38 (Rod Davies 2, Rob Simmons, Albert Anae tries; Richard Kingi 4 pen goals, 2 cons, Nick White 1 con) def WALES 5.
Australia will play New Zealand in the semi finals with the other semi final between South Africa and England.
Reddy!
Bob Davidson (42)
Beale has officially been sent home and will take no further part at the u/20 world cup.
It's a shame that this has happened, as well as Horne being injured, and O'Connor obviously not there.
We might be lacking some leadership in the backline now. Hopefully Kingi and To'omua step up.
It's a shame that this has happened, as well as Horne being injured, and O'Connor obviously not there.
We might be lacking some leadership in the backline now. Hopefully Kingi and To'omua step up.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Bugger - and he was looking as fit as a trout at the trial game before they left for Japan.
But if our forwards front up we are still a good chance against the Kiwis, I reckon. Wasn't impressed by them in their one televised game against Ireland.
Yeah Pete is a good player but his progress at the Brumbies disappointed me, though maybe injuries had something to do with that. Played OK on the weekend but would have been disappointed having the ball ripped out of his hands for Eastwood to score. He's been playing 2nd grade this year but now that winger Jenkins has gone to NZ to play for Taranaki he may get a bit more rugby in the Uni ones.
Don't know who will play fullback now, but probably DHP who was a gun Schools fullback. Corey Brown will get a wing spot now. Geez, this team has a different look to the one that was originally picked with Rabbit O'Connor, Kurtley Beale and Robbie Horne in it.
Come on forwards.
But if our forwards front up we are still a good chance against the Kiwis, I reckon. Wasn't impressed by them in their one televised game against Ireland.
Yeah Pete is a good player but his progress at the Brumbies disappointed me, though maybe injuries had something to do with that. Played OK on the weekend but would have been disappointed having the ball ripped out of his hands for Eastwood to score. He's been playing 2nd grade this year but now that winger Jenkins has gone to NZ to play for Taranaki he may get a bit more rugby in the Uni ones.
Don't know who will play fullback now, but probably DHP who was a gun Schools fullback. Corey Brown will get a wing spot now. Geez, this team has a different look to the one that was originally picked with Rabbit O'Connor, Kurtley Beale and Robbie Horne in it.
Come on forwards.
rustycruiser
Billy Sheehan (19)
PaarlBok said:
You can watch a web stream of the game from the IRB website if you are interested PB.
http://www.irb.com/jwc/video/index.html
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