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tzimmy
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Does anyone know where I could find the NSWJRU 16s team please?
NSW U16 Trial Games and Selections 2011
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Since1961
Herbert Moran (7)
Canberra, on 18 September ..... I don't know what venue though
Leicester Tiger
Herbert Moran (7)
16A semi final was not much of an affair today. Ended in a 7-7 draw between Norths and Hawkesbury, the latter goes through to the final against Merrylands thanks to their position on the table. That seems like a strange rule to me. Surely you should have to win a semi to progress?
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tzimmy
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I meant who is in the team.
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Alex Ross (28)
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
makes perfect sense - the lower placed team has to WIN to progress - same as a drawn Bledisloe series sees the cup stay put - you actually have to win it! Same methodology.
Leicester Tiger
Herbert Moran (7)
I see how it works, just seems like a bit of a hollow victory making the final without winning the game. After all it is not a final series, it is just a one off game. All that said, I am looking forward to the game next weekend, should be interesting.
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
Hollow but fair
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Herbert Moran (7)
Sorry mate, I was joshing, but that reflects a major piss-off factor with all the politics and frogshit and rules-indifference that has gone into the selection of the NSWJRU team .... which, as reflected here, has such shortcomings as only one hooker in a squad of 24, kids that aren't eligible, etc.
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rugbygold
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lets get some key match ups going with SYDNEY V'S NSW SCHOOLS ???
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rugby&rowing
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andrew kellaway
im not sure if im late in this thread.
this discussion is probably not even going on anymore but just to put your minds at ease. i go to scots and have seen his games. im only in yr 8 but he is a fantastic player. yes his brother nick is in the 16s and andrew SHOULD be in the 16 A's like his brother, but he is too good. all of the 1st 15 players at scots are in yr 11 and 12 except for andrew. does that count for anything? even though he is a fullback he plays all positions in the backline when he is needed. he performs good rucks, tackles (with big hits), and is insanely fast. he is very good at the game and i have no doubt he will make school boys rugby. (the top 20 rugby kids in aus against international school boy teams such as england. Also whats in the brackets now is just private school boys)
im not sure if im late in this thread.
this discussion is probably not even going on anymore but just to put your minds at ease. i go to scots and have seen his games. im only in yr 8 but he is a fantastic player. yes his brother nick is in the 16s and andrew SHOULD be in the 16 A's like his brother, but he is too good. all of the 1st 15 players at scots are in yr 11 and 12 except for andrew. does that count for anything? even though he is a fullback he plays all positions in the backline when he is needed. he performs good rucks, tackles (with big hits), and is insanely fast. he is very good at the game and i have no doubt he will make school boys rugby. (the top 20 rugby kids in aus against international school boy teams such as england. Also whats in the brackets now is just private school boys)
Since1961
Herbert Moran (7)
Will that be one thread for the U16 Nationals (including trials before THAT week) so all our ranting and jibbering (whether for NSW Schools, SJRU, or whoever) is in one place?
Malcsy
Sydney Middleton (9)
Unfortunately I couldn't get to the 16A game between Norths and Hawkesbury however Leicester Tiger's summation seems fair from what I am hearing. Also hearing that the ref was perhaps a significant contributor to the result. Merrylands to take the title easily in my opinion.
On another note, in keeping with the recent theme about club qualified players, whilst at the Semis the previous week, it was commented that the Hunters Hill side playing the C grade semi vs Dee Why didn't appear to feature any of the players that Hunters Hill contributed to the State Championship winning Gordon team. This seems a little strange, however on a bit of investigation the plot thickens. Two Blues fans, prepare to flip your lids...
According to the 2011 State Championship program Hunters Hill contributed 13 players to the Gordon squad of 25 in total. Of these, only 6 played for Gordon (as Hunter's Hill players) in 2010.
Big deal you might say, Hunter's Hill came up with an additional 7 players... However, in 2011 Hunters Hill is not a Gordon affiliated club but a Northern Suburbs affiliated club. However it appears that the Under 16s decided it doesn't apply to them off their own back.
The NSW State Championship rules are quite clear, "All teams must include a minimum of 15 (for U12s to 17s) local players registered with a village club/country town within their District or Country Zone". Gordon included only 12 players from their own district. This would appear to be a clear breach of the rules.
To repeat, from what I am told, none of these players featured in their Semi two weekends ago. Something very fishy has happened there. Would be very interested if anyone could elaborate on the circumstances.
On another note, in keeping with the recent theme about club qualified players, whilst at the Semis the previous week, it was commented that the Hunters Hill side playing the C grade semi vs Dee Why didn't appear to feature any of the players that Hunters Hill contributed to the State Championship winning Gordon team. This seems a little strange, however on a bit of investigation the plot thickens. Two Blues fans, prepare to flip your lids...
According to the 2011 State Championship program Hunters Hill contributed 13 players to the Gordon squad of 25 in total. Of these, only 6 played for Gordon (as Hunter's Hill players) in 2010.
Big deal you might say, Hunter's Hill came up with an additional 7 players... However, in 2011 Hunters Hill is not a Gordon affiliated club but a Northern Suburbs affiliated club. However it appears that the Under 16s decided it doesn't apply to them off their own back.
The NSW State Championship rules are quite clear, "All teams must include a minimum of 15 (for U12s to 17s) local players registered with a village club/country town within their District or Country Zone". Gordon included only 12 players from their own district. This would appear to be a clear breach of the rules.
To repeat, from what I am told, none of these players featured in their Semi two weekends ago. Something very fishy has happened there. Would be very interested if anyone could elaborate on the circumstances.
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Dingdong
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Nooo ! Are you suggesting that people involved in the Gordon 16's may have manipulated the rules to benefit themselves? Surely not !! Maybe Lily could shed some light on what must be a complete misunderstanding on your behalf Malcsy!
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SmarterChild12
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You'll find Malcsy, that the boys that you say didn't play last year, played the required 5 games for a village/country club and qualified for the State Championships.
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pugwash
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Malcsy-interesting if this is correct.Did Norths give these guys permission to play for Gordon or was it a backdoor deal.I can't believe this is right-surely the officials at the NSWJRU would have picked this up at State Champs and at the very least made notice to Gordon.Isn't Kellaway in this Gordon team?How many were 'imported' from other clubs?
Wow struggle to actually believe this could happen and if right they got away with this!
Wow struggle to actually believe this could happen and if right they got away with this!
Malcsy
Sydney Middleton (9)
I'm sure they would have indeed signed on/played the required 4 games, either this year, or last year for a different club (or indeed the same club as there may have been HH guys who didn't make Gordon last year) and this would be within the rules. That some of these guys may have only played club rugby to the extent that it qualified them for State Champs is, in my opinion, against the principle of a pathway for club players, however it doesn't break any existing rules and I'm sure it's not specific to Gordon. That's a matter for NSWJRU as to whether they have pitched their rules correctly.
My question is regarding the Gordon side fielding less players from it's own district than the required minimum of 15. I assume there must have been some sort of dispensation, however if so I look forward to Southern Districts bolstering their numbers by becoming the Parramatta third team next year.
Malcsy
Sydney Middleton (9)
Norths would be required to have not picked the HH guys and given them dispensation, which is fine and again within the rules. I did hear that the long term Gordon players wanted to stay with Gordon and Norths were going to allow this, which is fair enough. Not sure what applied to the newer guys, perhaps they didn't rate them ? Seems odd given their relative performances. I refer you to my previous post, the question is mainly in regard to the out of district numbers and whether a player from, say, Wahroonga missed out on the pathway unfairly.
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Herbert Moran (7)
And then there was one (weekend left) 16B's Coogee to win their final by 20+ and Merrylands to beat Hawkesbury in the A final by 20+
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