NSW Schools - Trial Games and Selections 2014

[Magilla]

Combined States 2014
Name School
1 Peter Ivic Belmont High School
2 James Wilkinson St Edward’s College, Gosford
3 Jack Bowditch St. Ignatius’ College
4 James Gall Anglican Church Grammar School
5 Kieran Bonin South Hills High School
6 George Lehmann The King’s School
7 Martin Koortz Brisbane State High School
8 Koim Wingti St Joseph's Hunters Hill
9 Max Dempsey Brisbane Boys College
10 Joshua Thorndyke Gosford High School
11 Hugo Doessel Anglican Church Grammar School
12 Ned Yeomans Kinross Wolaroi School
13 Regan Glynn St Patrick’s College Shorncliffe
14 Ben Fontaine St Augustine's College
15 Kirt Anthony St Edward’s College Gosford
16 Brad Undi The Southport School
17 Jack Nettleton St Augustine’s College
18 Thomas O’Toole Padua College
19 Jeremey Gimpel Anglican Church Grammar School
20 Matt Feauai-Sautia Brisbane State High School
21 Joshua Oxley St Stanislaus’ College
22 Hamish Stewart Toowoomba Grammar School
23 Samuel Hicks St. Columban’s College

 

[random2]

Combined States 2014
Name School
1 Peter Ivic Belmont High School
2 James Wilkinson St Edward’s College, Gosford
3 Jack Bowditch St. Ignatius’ College
4 James Gall Anglican Church Grammar School
5 Kieran Bonin South Hills High School
6 George Lehmann The King’s School
7 Martin Koortz Brisbane State High School
8 Koim Wingti St Joseph's Hunters Hill
9 Max Dempsey Brisbane Boys College
10 Joshua Thorndyke Gosford High School
11 Hugo Doessel Anglican Church Grammar School
12 Ned Yeomans Kinross Wolaroi School
13 Regan Glynn St Patrick’s College Shorncliffe
14 Ben Fontaine St Augustine's College
15 Kirt Anthony St Edward’s College Gosford
16 Brad Undi The Southport School
17 Jack Nettleton St Augustine’s College
18 Thomas O’Toole Padua College
19 Jeremey Gimpel Anglican Church Grammar School
20 Matt Feauai-Sautia Brisbane State High School
21 Joshua Oxley St Stanislaus’ College
22 Hamish Stewart Toowoomba Grammar School
23 Samuel Hicks St. Columban’s College

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[Magilla]

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[Brian Westlake]

Did anyone see a gentleman of a certain age, with a note book and a large camera lurking around Rat Park today?

We may or may not have a blog report on the days games depending on that sighting.

Can Lurk with the best.

Got to admit the camera is worth more than my salary and super!

 

[Brian Westlake]

Please elaborate

Without denigrating the incumbent player in the position, please tell me why your chosen view player should take his place.
If you can't, please do not cast a pall over the fine young men that have been selected

 

[Lee Grant]

Great report LG but a bit sad that only a short snippet for the Country boys particularly in their last year in the tournament

Sorry. I arrived after the start of the game and was organising myself with BBQ breakfast and talking with some cronies during the match and shooting the breeze.

Because I missed the start I didn't think I could do it justice.
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[Top Cat]

Sorry. I arrived after the start of the game and was organising myself with BBQ breakfast and talking with some cronies during the match and shooting the breeze.

Because I missed the start I didn't think I could do it justice.
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You have nothing to apologise for Lee, you do a magnificent job as it is.

 

[Monty Python]

NSW Coaches/managers

NSW I​

Coach: Andrew MOLONEY (Barker)​

Assistant Coach: Luke BOWER (Cranbrook)​

Manager: John GUY (Hunter Valley Grammar)​

Physio: Narelle VEVERKER or Tom LOMBARDO (fairly safe bet it will be one of t'other)​

NSW II​

Coach: Greg THOMPSON (St Josephs) (or Asst Coach - TBC)​

Assistant Coach: Brad GILL (Newington) (or Coach - TBC)​

Manager: Saxon BOWLES (Oakhill)​

Physio: See above​

I believe Narelle Veverka is the physio appointed to the NSW I squad.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ Then my tea leaves reckon that Tom Lombardo is almost certain to be appointed as the NSW II physio.

 

[Flank]

Im

Apparently the NSW Schools website has had a fit. The various conveners have been asked to publish the below as widely as possible. I was forwarded this email last night. However, These teams will be in the papers this morning and all team members have been contacted by phone.

NSW Schools Rugby Union U18 Teams 2014
Attached are the NSW Teams and Shadows for the Australian Schools Championships to be held at St Ignatius College Riverview from the 29 June to 5 July.

Players listed in the NSW 1 and 2s are to attend a medical at the NSW Rugby Union Headquartes Moore on Sunday 22 June at 9:30am.
Shadow players are not required at the medical.
N1
Position, Name, School/Association
1. LHP Phil BRADFORD , Hunter Sports High/CHS
2. H Ed CRAIG , Epping Boys High/CHS
3. THP Vunipola FIFITA , Newington/GPS
4. RL Tobias RUDOLF , The Scots College/GPS
5. LL Tom PIRODDI , Newington/GPS
6. BSF John WALKER , St Augustines/ISA
7. OSF Lachlan ANDERSON , Oakhill College/ISA
8. No 8 Angus CRICHTON , The Scots College/GPS
9. Half Harrison GODDARD , Oakhill/ISA
10. Fly half Connor O’SHEA , St Josephs College/GPS
11. Wing Sepsa TAROGI , Newington/GPS
12. IC Luke LOUGH , St Augustines/ISA
13. OC Henry HUTCHISON , St Ignatius/GPS
14. Wing Connor WATSON , Knox Grammar/CAS
15. FB Guy PORTER , The Scots College/GPS
16. H James WIDDERS-LEECE , Knox Grammar/CAS
17. LHP Hosea FOTUKAVA , St Ignatius/GPS
18. THP Will McRAE , St Augustines/ISA
19. L Andrew VATUVEI , Sarah Redfern High School/CHS
20. BR Hugh SUMMERHAYES , Cranbrook/CAS
21. Half Stephen KIRBY , Barker/CAS
22. IB David SMERDON , Barker/CAS
23. OB Sione AFU , St Augustines/ISA

N2
Position, Name, School/Association
1. LHP Meline LAIMANI , Newington/GPS
2. H Evan PRITCHARD , St Ignatius/GPS
3. THP Jacob SEDGMAN , The Scots College/GPS
4. RL Nathanial GITTOES , St Josephs College/GPS
5. LL Will FINLEY , Lisarow High School/CHS
6. BSF Nick BURKETT , Barker/CAS
7. OSF Dechlan MOORE , St Andrews Cathedral School/ISA
8. No 8 James LOUGH , St Augustines/ISA
9. Half Nick DUFFY , St Josephs College/GPS
10. Fly half James DAY , Oakhill/ISA
11. Wing Billy FREEMAN , St Ignatius/GPS
12. IC Joe WILLIAMS , Knox/CAS
13. OC Simon KENNEWELL , Newington/GPS
14. Wing Tom WRIGHT , St Josephs College/GPS
15. FB Jack McGREGOR , St Ignatius/GPS
16. H Matt SERHON , Newington/GPS
17. LHP Harry JOHNSTON-HOLMES , Merewether High School/CHS
18. THP Francis BROWN , MacKillop/CCC
19. L Beau PETTERSON , St Ignatius/GPS
20. BR Jun WOODHILL , Shore/GPS
21. Half Harry ROWE , Hills Sports High/CHS
22. IB Will McDONALD , St Josephs College/GPS
23. OB Jayden WRIGHT , Hunter Sports High/CHS

Shadows 1
Position, Name, School
1. LHP Jordan LOTOANIU , Bass Hill High
2. H Jake NETTLETON , St Augustines
3. THP Alex MASSIMO , St Gregorys
4. RL Lachlan SWINTON , Knox
5. LL Andrew DAVIES , MMC Warriewood
6. BSF Jack HAYSON , St Ignatius
7. OSF Jake PIERCE , Knox
8. No 8 Brett VAN ZYL , Knox
9. Half Theo STRANG , The Scots College
10. Fly half Sam RENTON , Cranbrook
11. Wing Jordan THOMAS , St Augustines
12. IC Ned YEOMANS , Kinross
13. OC Layton TALI , Hills Sports High
14. Wing Ben FONTAINE , St Augustines
15. FB Kirt ANTHONY , St Edwards Gosford

im sorry this may seem unfair to sum, but tell me how the CCC boys won 3 out if 4 games losing the one by a short margin due to fatigue of back to back games and only one CCC boy considered! What a joke! Very disappointed as what I saw was excellent talent on that field in particular 3 boys in my opinion were standouts in the competition. Some if those boys play 1st grade colts however in the GPS dominated selections you picked 3rd grade colts players! With the lack of consideration for CCC players due to bias selections its a wonder why the CCC boys come back! I guess going from last years selections its a reflection on the selectors. Didnt the shadow team knock off team 1 ouch! And not to mention the only CCC boy selected you chose on the bench of team 2 this year made Australian school boys last year! Come on! Stop the corruption!

 

[I like to watch]

Probably because they played the weaker sides.
How many of the teams CCC played had players selected?
ISA 2 had one player selected as well.

 

[Flank]

There will be pretty tough competition for nearly all positions not just the #2.

What a joke Hugh! One one CCC boy selected on the bench if the 2's that same boy made Australian school boys last year! And tell me how the CCC boys towel up 3 of the 4 sides losing the only game due to back to back playing and fatigue not to mention a very small margin. There were 3 boys in the CCC team that were outstanding! You know who they are in particular the 1st grade colts players! How embarrassing but getting beyond the joke! There is no reason for the CCC boys to attend these selections due to the bias of selectors disregarding a far superior team they provide on the day! At some stage it gets found out especially like the example of team 2 last year beating team 1. Very disappointed for the CCC boys, but why would I know better than the selectors? I only played for the green and gold in my years but as usual a disappointing system saturated with a bias view not real talent

 

[Hugie]

Flank, it's not just CCC. CHS 1st played a 20 to 22 loss to GPS 1st and the selections were 7 to CHS and 22 to GPS. The problems IMO is the conflicted objectives of the comp..

The private schools are trying to market themselves as centres of excellence in educating boys, they have to justify the costs. To do this some push rugby as an example (others ignore it), their teams are for all intents and purposes professional teams (in fact some professional teams don't have the resources these schools have). They measure outcomes in numbers selected.

CHS and CCC don't run rugby programs and rely on the club system, they are trying to promote rugby and trying to increase participation in the club system. They should measure outcomes by the increase in participation, there is huge potential here. They are essentially amateurs playing professionals, the contest will never be fair and the outcomes will never be seen to be fair. There is no point in trying to make it fair. This is doing a huge amount of damage to Australian rugby, the way this is seen by the bulk of NSW and Qld kids is that rugby has nothing to do with them.

IMO the two objectives are conflicted. CHS and CCC should follow AICES and Country schools and pull out. They should then run rugby promotion programs to increase grass routes club rugby and talent identification for the Junior Gold Squads. The ARU should establish an U18s championship (off the back of the U17s JGC) and select an Australian U18s team with the view of it being competitive with Australian Private Schoolboys within 3 years. Then there will be two clear pathways, and any boy in Australia can feel that rugby will include them.

I often wonder why, with all the excellent education both school and University rugby gets, that we are the stupid football code.

 

[Flank]

Flank, it's not just CCC. CHS 1st played a 20 to 22 loss to GPS 1st and the selections were 7 to CHS and 22 to GPS. The problems IMO is the conflicted objectives of the comp..

The private schools are trying to market themselves as centres of excellence in educating boys, they have to justify the costs. To do this some push rugby as an example (others ignore it), their teams are for all intents and purposes professional teams (in fact some professional teams don't have the resources these schools have). They measure outcomes in numbers selected.

CHS and CCC don't run rugby programs and rely on the club system, they are trying to promote rugby and trying to increase participation in the club system. They should measure outcomes by the increase in participation, there is huge potential here. They are essentially amateurs playing professionals, the contest will never be fair and the outcomes will never be seen to be fair. There is no point in trying to make it fair. This is doing a huge amount of damage to Australian rugby, the way this is seen by the bulk of NSW and Qld kids is that rugby has nothing to do with them.

IMO the two objectives are conflicted. CHS and CCC should follow AICES and Country schools and pull out. They should then run rugby promotion programs to increase grass routes club rugby and talent identification for the Junior Gold Squads. The ARU should establish an U18s championship (off the back of the U17s JGC) and select an Australian U18s team with the view of it being competitive with Australian Private Schoolboys within 3 years. Then there will be two clear pathways, and any boy in Australia can feel that rugby will include them.

I often wonder why, with all the excellent education both school and University rugby gets, that we are the stupid football code.

This would be a credible answer however I identified quite a few of the boys from CCC play grade for the colts in particular a few of the big boys playing 1st grade. They play outstanding rugby on the pathway to the super 15's. They should pull out and concentrate on the colts after all the Australian school boys and the GPS boys get put into 3rd grade colts when they get in the real world. They get found out their! I'm venting I know but cannot stand the unsupported talent and I've watched a few of the CCC boys towel these kids in the colts competition

 

[Flank]

Probably because they played the weaker sides.
How many of the teams CCC played had players selected?
ISA 2 had one player selected as well.

They weren't given the opportunity to play the 'better' sides in case they embarrass the school boy rugby breeding grounds! Frances was the only player selected on the bench of 2nds and yet last year he made Australian school boys a year young! What a joke! & shame on the corruption of the selectors!

 

[Sideline Eye]

Would have liked to see isa 1's vs gps 1's, i think that could have been a very interesting game.

Agreed. Even if the program for the last day of trials stays the same (as seems likely, based on some other posts), perhaps the organisers could squeeze in this match somewhere earlier for an ISA v GPS match up? That would give a much better idea of how the various associations are performing in relation to each other.

 

[I like to watch]

They weren't given the opportunity to play the 'better' sides in case they embarrass the school boy rugby breeding grounds! Frances was the only player selected on the bench of 2nds and yet last year he made Australian school boys a year young! What a joke! & shame on the corruption of the selectors!

I agree it's not a level playing field.
The only way around it is to have them trial as individuals,not representing an association.

 

[Flank]

I agree it's not a level playing field.
The only way around it is to have them trial as individuals,not representing an association.

Couldnt of said it better myself. Individual selections and a new selectors panel

 

[Hugie]

Flank, I don't think that they are corrupt (I know you're only venting, I couldn't believe it when I first saw it 2 years ago).

The GPS, CAS and ISA train to a well worn pattern that works very well at schoolboy level rugby. The selectors are looking at selection from this position. CHS and CCC draw from club rugby that doesn't play to this pattern they play a more physical up the guts style, which as they grow wins (as you pointed out about the Colts mix).

Unfortunately when they get to U20s the "Australian schoolboy" style has stopped working altogether and we get our butt kicked.

Again, I don't think that they are corrupt they are doing the best they can looking at rugby from their perspective.

P.S along these lines good to see Kieren Bonin and James Wilkinson picked up in the Combined States team, they play more the way I think rugby should be played. Disappointing Ted Pye didn't get picked up, I think he's close to the best U18 half back getting around.

 

[Flank]

Flank, I don't think that they are corrupt (I know you're only venting, I couldn't believe it when I first saw it 2 years ago).

The GPS, CAS and ISA train to a well worn pattern that works very well at schoolboy level rugby. The selectors are looking at selection from this position. CHS and CCC draw from club rugby that doesn't play to this pattern they play a more physical up the guts style, which as they grow wins (as you pointed out about the Colts mix).

Unfortunately when they get to U20s the "Australian schoolboy" style has stopped working altogether and we get our butt kicked.

Again, I don't think that they are corrupt they are doing the best they can looking at rugby from their perspective.

P.S along these lines good to see Kieren Bonin and James Wilkinson picked up in the Combined States team, they play more the way I think rugby should be played. Disappointing Ted Pye didn't get picked up, I think he's close to the best U18 half back getting around.

Hugh its absolutely corrupt on the basis it only directs the attention to a certain few in the competition and I dont mean the best, I mean the elite schools. I am unaware of Keiran as you mention is he a CCC boy? And again I will say at the end of the day the credible pathway is through the colts. And I suggest Hugh as you are a ARU component why not have influence in making this pathway a fairer selection and split the schools and do it by individuals. Its a disgrace this way. I personally watched the selectors get up and walk away each time the CCC team played. I payed particular attention to that as through prior experience and feedback from other Rugby heads they dont rate the NSW school boy trials as they for many years have been aware of the denied recognition of these boys! Can you justify Frances making Australian school boys by default last year to now be on the bench of the 2nds?? And I will say there were two other big lads not mentioning names I know deserved the selection & Im sure you know who they are from various backgrounds