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NSW AAGPS Rugby 2013

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Bob Loudon (25)
Joeys do not employ hired guns from coaching company's and clubs. They pay only $20 an hour. Mostly coaching is still done by the staff including the Head. Considering the school won 81% of all games in 2012 including 22 undefeated teams says that the staff know their stuff. It is a pity that many 1st XV teams are coached by "special staff" who teach 3 PE lessons a week and focus on rugby solely.

Why is it a down side to pursue the best coaching staff? Surely schools also try to attract the best teaching staff, or in an ideal world a combination of both? Wherever the boys end up they will have the benefit of good coaches for skills and attitude. Full marks too to the "part-timers" who pitch in down to the 13H's! We need them too!

Cheers, Wreckless :)
 

Kentucky

Bob McCowan (2)
One Fact of NOTE!!!
If Joeys does not win the premiership this year, the Joeys Class of 2013 would have gone through their time at Joeys without ever seeing Joeys win a first XV premiership. A drought of 7 or more is required for this to occur and the last time this happened was the eleven year drought of 1907 to 1918. (Also one from 39 to 46, however there was no competition from 40 to 45 due to WWII). This is already the longest drought since the 1907 to 1918 one.
Evidence - http://www.aagps.nsw.edu.au/about/resultshistory.html
It's going to be a big year for the men in cerise and blue
 

providence

Herbert Moran (7)
GPS Observer,

You say "That pursuit of excellence is why a GPS education is so valuable, in my opinion"

Hard to dispute the above 'ideal' but when some of the schools seem to be stuck in the dark ages it is hard to believe that the actual pursuit has any genuine intent and is rather false.

The labour party(ALP) or catholic church could assimilate similar catch cries. They sound good but where is the substance rather than the dream?

The cold hard reality is Australian sport is now at it's lowest ebb for decades. Some distinct parallels can be made with some of the GPS schools. Surely its about time for our proudest schools to loosen the shackles, become less xenophobic and move into the modern world.

Or perhaps I am talking about about sportsmen and women representing Australia?
 
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Tight head Lion

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Surely schools also try to attract the best teaching staff

No, many go for the cheapest and easiest to manipulate. Independent schools are feeling the squeeze and hence bring in less experienced staff with little of no coaching experience. The next issue is that more boys schools employ female teachers. Some are remarkably good coaches, but this is a rare. The other is now school only ask for one sport season a year. The top choice is basketball in summer, quick, easy and over in an hour. Who wants to stand in the cold and wet on a sideline? I do, but as I am an old, expensive, highly accrediated, ARU Level 2 Coach and K-12 school teacher I cannot get a position as independent schools want graduates who will cost them $35K a year less than me to pay. Sad.
 

GPSrow

Watty Friend (18)
Joeys do not employ hired guns from coaching company's and clubs. They pay only $20 an hour. Mostly coaching is still done by the staff including the Head. Considering the school won 81% of all games in 2012 including 22 undefeated teams says that the staff know their stuff. It is a pity that many 1st XV teams are coached by "special staff" who teach 3 PE lessons a week and focus on rugby solely.

well if we want to beat the all-blacks in the next world up, I guess we might start somewhere?
 

CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
To ascertain the 'depth' of each School's rugby program, with an eye for next year, I looked at the results for their top 3 teams plus the emerging players coming through (U16s). The results are interesting.

GPS Rugby Stats - 2012

Full Table
View attachment 2924
source: GPS Schools' publicly available information

IS started this thread in October 2011 - in response to a dare I recall - some near 18 months later we've had 887 replies and 92,870 views and the 2013 comp is yet to start!! There have been many insightful posts and a couple of ordinary ones - this post by George Smith (who we don't hear enough of lately!!) and his subsequent posts relating to these stats will no doubt promote as much discussion now as they did when first posted. Enjoy!
 

Vanuatu Chiefs

Sydney Middleton (9)
Waverley travelled to Riverview this morning for 1sts and 2nds trials.

These scores have been relayed to me across the Pacific & might not be entirely accurate:

1sts: Waverley 10 Riverview 68

2nds: Waverley 7 Riverview 26
 

random2

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Waverley travelled to Riverview this morning for 1sts and 2nds trials.

These scores have been relayed to me across the Pacific & might not be entirely accurate:

1sts: Waverley 10 Riverview 68

2nds: Waverley 7 Riverview 26

Heard that too. Stand outs for View apparently Ben Hunt, Lincon Whitely, Bill Freeman and Jack Mcgregor
 

GPSrow

Watty Friend (18)
Heard that too. Stand outs for View apparently Ben Hunt, Lincon Whitely, Bill Freeman and Jack Mcgregor

very early in the season, but have view already got there 1sts and 2nds team listed? i know Newington is just coming off summer season and has started skills and scrum training as a squad.

This just shows the eventual split between GPS and CAS ability.
 

gpsoldboy

Chris McKivat (8)
Waverley travelled to Riverview this morning for 1sts and 2nds trials.

These scores have been relayed to me across the Pacific & might not be entirely accurate:

1sts: Waverley 10 Riverview 68

2nds: Waverley 7 Riverview 26

They are pretty impressive scorelines from Riverview - must have been in training for a while? Hot day as well yesterday.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
very early in the season, but have view already got there 1sts and 2nds team listed? i know Newington is just coming off summer season and has started skills and scrum training as a squad.

This just shows the eventual split between GPS and CAS ability.

It is not all that good to have the top of the NSW junior rugby gene pool limited to just 6 of the GPS schools.

Waverley seems to be going through some poor times rugbywise of late, not only from GPS but I think ISA's Oakhill and Auggies have rather comprehensively beaten them over the last two or so years.
 

gpsoldboy

Chris McKivat (8)
IS started this thread in October 2011 - in response to a dare I recall - some near 18 months later we've had 887 replies and 92,870 views and the 2013 comp is yet to start!! There have been many insightful posts and a couple of ordinary ones - this post by George Smith (who we don't hear enough of lately!!) and his subsequent posts relating to these stats will no doubt promote as much discussion now as they did when first posted. Enjoy!

There are plenty of ways you can look at these 2012 results and how they might be predictive in terms of the 2013 competition. On the pure figures alone Joeys looks like they would be likely premiers based on the results of their 2012 firsts, seconds, thirds and 16As but another way to look at the stats might be to apply the results based on the number of boys from each of a schools 2012 teams who might be returning in 2013 and be available for first XV selection.

Whilst this will obviously differ from school to school a broad brush approach might be to add 33% of the first XV's points to 50% of the second XV's points + 20% of the 16A's + 12.5% of the thirds points. The methodology is based on the liklihood that the returning players who might comprise each school's 1st XV are about 5-6 from their 2012 firsts, 7-8 from each teams 2012 seconds, maybe 3 from their 2012 16A's and possibly 1-2 from their 2012 thirds.

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Based on the suggested methodology 2013 predictions would be:

1. Joeys - 11.7
2. Newington - 8.93
3. Kings - 8.28
4. Scots - 7.23
5. Shore - 5.8
5. Riverview - 4.92

As I stated each school will have differing numbers of players returning so the % taken for each of the 2012 sides will differ. Ultimately though they're only stats and what is done on the field by the players and off the field by the coaches will be what counts.
 
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HarveyColon

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Was that at Hunters Hill?
No it was at kings, I will post a brief video showing one shapely young lad running through the entire kings team later this evening. I was at that game. It was a thriller. If I remember it was the boot of lelievre that sealed the victory. I think joeys won 21-20. I even recall seeing Walford and Ashby celebrating with a tribal dance under the posts
 

CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
There are plenty of ways you can look at these 2012 results and how they might be predictive in terms of the 2013 competition. On the pure figures alone Joeys looks like they would be likely premiers based on the results of their 2012 firsts, seconds, thirds and 16As but another way to look at the stats might be to apply the results based on the number of boys from each of a schools 2012 teams who might be returning in 2013 and be available for first XV selection.

Whilst this will obviously differ from school to school a broad brush approach might be to add 33% of the first XV's points to 50% of the second XV's points + 20% of the 16A's + 12.5% of the thirds points. The methodology is based on the liklihood that the returning players who might comprise each school's 1st XV are about 5-6 from their 2012 firsts, 7-8 from each teams 2012 seconds, maybe 3 from their 2012 16A's and possibly 1-2 from their 2012 thirds.

2924


Based on the suggested methodology 2013 predictions would be:

1. Joeys - 11.7
2. Newington - 8.93
3. Kings - 8.28
4. Scots - 7.23
5. Shore - 5.8
5. Riverview - 4.92

As I stated each school will have differing numbers of players returning so the % taken for each of the 2012 sides will differ. Ultimately though they're only stats and what is done on the field by the players and off the field by the coaches will be what counts.

I did something similar with these stats when GS first put them up but gave more % weighting to the previous years 2nd XV and 16As. From recollection the results weren't all that different to yours though. The results certainly indicate that Joeys will have the most depth and experience going in to this season which is VIP given the 10 round format.
 

Gristlechewer

Charlie Fox (21)
well if we want to beat the all-blacks in the next world up, I guess we might start somewhere?
I don't know if you have been out and about on a Saturday watching any of the SS and Colts trials, but, as a state because l cannot speak for Queensland, we are more than a long way from beating the ABlacks next world cup. Or the one after that.
 

Kenny Powers

Ron Walden (29)
Joeys do not employ hired guns from coaching company's and clubs. They pay only $20 an hour. Mostly coaching is still done by the staff including the Head. Considering the school won 81% of all games in 2012 including 22 undefeated teams says that the staff know their stuff. It is a pity that many 1st XV teams are coached by "special staff" who teach 3 PE lessons a week and focus on rugby solely.

Can you explain the attached article?

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/03/21/daniel-anderson-to-join-the-coaching-ranks-at-joeys/

Do you think if I up Daniel Anderson's hourly rate to $22.75 a hour, he will come and coach the local Under 9's?
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I thought concerned followers of the GPS might be interested to hear of the substantial positive impact being felt at Grammar from the presence of Lachlan Fear.
Some of this may seem insignificant to those familiar with the reported length, breadth and depth of rugby seasons at other schools, but these developments represent quite a breakthrough.
Firstly a number of kids were nominated and added to the gold program, a previously neglected aspect at the school. This has, apparently, motivated others to aim for inclusion in these various squads.
Secondly, Fear has brought in a number of impressive specialist coaches, including guys with Heineken cup level experience, u 20s and Shute shield.
This is an excellent move not least because the kids do not tend to mix in circles which would necessarily see them exposed to players of this calibre. It also shows them that guys who play serious rugby are also merely human, can talk and are generally good blokes. This may serve to undermine sporting stereotypes no doubt deployed by anxious mums.
Finally, every age group has something organized for the upcoming holidays, by way of camp or tour: 14 & 15 s are going to NZ.
it may take some time and there will, inevitably, be trepidation in relation to reintroducing grammar to the highest level of competition, not to mention angst and handwringing as to whether a home and away season is possible if they are back in the fold, but the early signs are good.
The school still only offers music and academic scholarships.




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CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
I thought concerned followers of the GPS might be interested to hear of the substantial positive impact being felt at Grammar from the presence of Lachlan Fear.
Some of this may seem insignificant to those familiar with the reported length, breadth and depth of rugby seasons at other schools, but these developments represent quite a breakthrough.
Firstly a number of kids were nominated and added to the gold program, a previously neglected aspect at the school. This has, apparently, motivated others to aim for inclusion in these various squads.
Secondly, Fear has brought in a number of impressive specialist coaches, including guys with Heineken cup level experience, u 20s and Shute shield.
This is an excellent move not least because the kids do not tend to mix in circles which would necessarily see them exposed to players of this calibre. It also shows them that guys who play serious rugby are also merely human, can talk and are generally good blokes. This may serve to undermine sporting stereotypes no doubt deployed by anxious mums.
Finally, every age group has something organized for the upcoming holidays, by way of camp or tour: 14 & 15 s are going to NZ.
it may take some time and there will, inevitably, be trepidation in relation to reintroducing grammar to the highest level of competition, not to mention angst and handwringing as to whether a home and away season is possible if they are back in the fold, but the early signs are good.
The school still only offers music and academic scholarships.




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Good to hear all of this IS. Perhaps something Grammar could do is reassess its academic scholarship program - I assume that it's just academically test based for those entering in Yr 7? Or do they do an interview as well and look at other talents?

I've known a number of very good rep level school boy rugby players and athletes who are in the A-C stream academically and are also talented in the fields of music, drama, debating etc. Perhaps Grammar should be assisting the academic all rounder rather than pure scholars. This would benefit Grammar long term wise and also the boys given the academic standards Grammar has established over the decades.
 
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