NSW AAGPS Rugby 2011
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It's Cerese not Pink
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Lol Lindommer...you would think I would have got that right. You are closing in on 2000 posts on this forum - that's impressive.
Further to my earlier post about Joeys depth I was told that Joeys won 13A, 13B, 14A, 14B, 15A, 15B, 16A, 16B, First XV, Second XV - in fact I hear that Joeys won all eight games scheduled on the Northbridge No 1 oval.
Anyone have some info on Scots game and Kellaway?
Further to my earlier post about Joeys depth I was told that Joeys won 13A, 13B, 14A, 14B, 15A, 15B, 16A, 16B, First XV, Second XV - in fact I hear that Joeys won all eight games scheduled on the Northbridge No 1 oval.
Anyone have some info on Scots game and Kellaway?
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baldingwingforward
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I'm not sure the View front row would agree with honours shared. They took 4 scrums against the head against the supposed amazing New scrum... including the last 3 of the match. The New forwards were out on their feet - View came withing inches of scoring 3 more tries in the second half.
Baldwin was outstanding for NEw. As to the team not playing that well. They were forced into errors by the linespeed and enthusiasm of the View defence - Lussick at 10 struggled at this level and made a lot of unforced errors. 12 was strong on the ball but also made a lot of mistakes.
Wells was immense. I lost count of how many times he carried the ball and how many tackles he made. Whiteley also had a big game. View don't have many stars but they are a strong team and clearly play for each other.
On a wet sloppy day View played the more sensible rugby, and even in the face of a very one sided penalty count, managed to prevail.
As to a three way premiership. i think you might be clutching at straws there Blindside. If all goes to form the big game will be Riverview vs Scots, at Scots, but as others have already mentioned, Scots have a habit of getting ahead of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised to see Joeys beat them in Rnd 2, especially given that its at Joeys, but i think Scots will have too much.
Interested to hear a Scots Kings report. If Vilimaa and Hall didn't play that explains part of it.
You also have to take into account the impact that NSW selections have on players and teams. Scots, New and View will all have a number of players involved, so it depends on who copes best. If Stewart, Walters or Miller from Scots get injured that leaves a huge hole. If Wells or Vaux for View get injured thats trouble, and New will struggle without Baldwin or Roods in particular.
1 round gone and still a long way to go..... Riverview have an advantage but not by much!
durkadurka
Peter Burge (5)
Rep teams anyone?
Centre pairing of Stewart and Roods is looking pretty good at the moment, backrow should provide the selectors with some headaches as well - Baldwin, Dempsey, Walters, Wells etc all up there.
Centre pairing of Stewart and Roods is looking pretty good at the moment, backrow should provide the selectors with some headaches as well - Baldwin, Dempsey, Walters, Wells etc all up there.
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QuadeCooperFan
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backline may look something like:
9. Merriman (E)
10. Vaux (I)
11. Behne Smith (K)
12. Stewart (S)
13. Roods (N)
14. Roye (N)
15. Le Lievre (J)
i know Behne Smith isn't mentioned much here but i rate him and he seems to have the goods. I can't really think of any other wingers besides Vlahos, who may also possibly take the position.
9. Merriman (E)
10. Vaux (I)
11. Behne Smith (K)
12. Stewart (S)
13. Roods (N)
14. Roye (N)
15. Le Lievre (J)
i know Behne Smith isn't mentioned much here but i rate him and he seems to have the goods. I can't really think of any other wingers besides Vlahos, who may also possibly take the position.
durkadurka
Peter Burge (5)
Forward pack QCF?
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QuadeCooperFan
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its a tough one. i definitely would not want to be the selectors. like you said the backrow in particular will be a hard one.
i'm still undecided on a lot of the positions. Kulen has proven to be a formidable prop who could challenge the other favourite for the no 3 jersey Ezrah. The backrow will indeed be the hardest of all to pick. Wells is a certainty, but as to his position I'm not sure. Baldwin was in GPS 3s last year so he should at least make 2s, then again Walters was in 2s last year. I was certain he'd be the 1s no. 7 before but the position is being hotly contested by Walters, who I am starting to think may get it. Vilimaa from Kings will be lucky to make 2s, he doesn't seem to be on form. The selectors should be glad both New and Kings decided to move a backrower to the front row each in Harry Randell (7) and David Vea (8) as the addition of these two would make it even harder on them although they may decide to play them in their normal positions come selection time. Randell in particular has been phenominal in defence so far. Earlier in the thread I made comments about his size being an issue but he has proven himself to be able to play well above his weight. Hall (Kings) and Miller (Scots) have also been pretty good but I can't see them making 1s.
For most positions I can't pick just one, I'll have to list a few possibilities here.
1. Allan A (N)
2. Randell (K) or Vea (N)
3. Kulen (I) or Ezrah A (N)
4. Rorke (I)
5. Kovacic (J)
6. Wells (I) or Dempsey (I)
7. Walters (S) or Baldwin (N)
8. Wells (I) or Vea (N) or maybe Vilimaa (K)
I honestly don't know about the 2nd row. Would anyone be able to provide me with a list of 2nd rowers from each school?
actually scratch that, i just remembered a few names.
i'm still undecided on a lot of the positions. Kulen has proven to be a formidable prop who could challenge the other favourite for the no 3 jersey Ezrah. The backrow will indeed be the hardest of all to pick. Wells is a certainty, but as to his position I'm not sure. Baldwin was in GPS 3s last year so he should at least make 2s, then again Walters was in 2s last year. I was certain he'd be the 1s no. 7 before but the position is being hotly contested by Walters, who I am starting to think may get it. Vilimaa from Kings will be lucky to make 2s, he doesn't seem to be on form. The selectors should be glad both New and Kings decided to move a backrower to the front row each in Harry Randell (7) and David Vea (8) as the addition of these two would make it even harder on them although they may decide to play them in their normal positions come selection time. Randell in particular has been phenominal in defence so far. Earlier in the thread I made comments about his size being an issue but he has proven himself to be able to play well above his weight. Hall (Kings) and Miller (Scots) have also been pretty good but I can't see them making 1s.
For most positions I can't pick just one, I'll have to list a few possibilities here.
1. Allan A (N)
2. Randell (K) or Vea (N)
3. Kulen (I) or Ezrah A (N)
4. Rorke (I)
5. Kovacic (J)
6. Wells (I) or Dempsey (I)
7. Walters (S) or Baldwin (N)
8. Wells (I) or Vea (N) or maybe Vilimaa (K)
I honestly don't know about the 2nd row. Would anyone be able to provide me with a list of 2nd rowers from each school?
actually scratch that, i just remembered a few names.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Shore 15 Joeys 24
Some thoughts of the game (and using the names in the programme):
• For the first 25 minutes there was wave after wave of Shore attacks in the Joeys half of the field and several goal line sieges, and tries almost scored but not quite. After all that it was just 7-0 to Shore and that, in hindsight, meant the winning of the game for Joeys later on.
After oranges it was as though the teams had swapped jerseys. Joeys swept time and time again into Shore territory and took most of their chances. View hammered the Joeys line before the end but it was too late.
• The cricket pitch area had a malign influence on the game. The lads' hands and the ball got muddy which made handling even in the dry areas difficult. It's the only way I can excuse the backs for some dodgy handling though Joeys coped better.
Shore
• Shore was best its tight work with mauling and pick and go, as has been the case in recent years. Their halves were very good and once 9. Merriman box kicked perfectly and chasers got hold of the ball for a try. 10. King did some fine tactical kicking and will be pushing Vaux of View for a GPS Ones spot.
• Wider out the Shore backs were ineffectual though when big 13. Wileman got the ball a couple of times he threatened when breaking tackles with his strong fend.
• The Shore backrow was not a patch on the View version in the trial last week. They lacked the brutality and pertinacity of the Iggies boys.
Joeys
• They were putting out fires for most of the first half but once they got a bit of good ball and territory they came into their own. With only 5 or 6 Year 12 lads and including 4 U/16s they played with admirable maturity and could cause an upset later in the season, as last year's team did at Kings.
• 15. Le Leivre was a commanding figure again, after an indifferent start. He used his booming boot to effect and launched a few attacks linking up with supports. One of those was winger Hookey who had some fine runs after replacing the injured O'Connor, and scored a runaway try.
• 13. Barclay dropped a bit of pill but made amends later. Amongst other things he made a break then kicked at an angle for a team mate to score.
• 5. Kovacic had another fine game and is becoming a strong candidate for the GPS ones team picked next week. 3. Hall was in everything and once, minding his own business a good way out, found the ball in his hands and thought it was a good idea to beat a couple of covering backs to the try line, which he did.
• A lesson to all young players. One of the lads on the park today got a yellow card. Apparently he said something to the referee which was taken exception to and the ref responded with changing the card to a red one.
Some thoughts of the game (and using the names in the programme):
• For the first 25 minutes there was wave after wave of Shore attacks in the Joeys half of the field and several goal line sieges, and tries almost scored but not quite. After all that it was just 7-0 to Shore and that, in hindsight, meant the winning of the game for Joeys later on.
After oranges it was as though the teams had swapped jerseys. Joeys swept time and time again into Shore territory and took most of their chances. View hammered the Joeys line before the end but it was too late.
• The cricket pitch area had a malign influence on the game. The lads' hands and the ball got muddy which made handling even in the dry areas difficult. It's the only way I can excuse the backs for some dodgy handling though Joeys coped better.
Shore
• Shore was best its tight work with mauling and pick and go, as has been the case in recent years. Their halves were very good and once 9. Merriman box kicked perfectly and chasers got hold of the ball for a try. 10. King did some fine tactical kicking and will be pushing Vaux of View for a GPS Ones spot.
• Wider out the Shore backs were ineffectual though when big 13. Wileman got the ball a couple of times he threatened when breaking tackles with his strong fend.
• The Shore backrow was not a patch on the View version in the trial last week. They lacked the brutality and pertinacity of the Iggies boys.
Joeys
• They were putting out fires for most of the first half but once they got a bit of good ball and territory they came into their own. With only 5 or 6 Year 12 lads and including 4 U/16s they played with admirable maturity and could cause an upset later in the season, as last year's team did at Kings.
• 15. Le Leivre was a commanding figure again, after an indifferent start. He used his booming boot to effect and launched a few attacks linking up with supports. One of those was winger Hookey who had some fine runs after replacing the injured O'Connor, and scored a runaway try.
• 13. Barclay dropped a bit of pill but made amends later. Amongst other things he made a break then kicked at an angle for a team mate to score.
• 5. Kovacic had another fine game and is becoming a strong candidate for the GPS ones team picked next week. 3. Hall was in everything and once, minding his own business a good way out, found the ball in his hands and thought it was a good idea to beat a couple of covering backs to the try line, which he did.
• A lesson to all young players. One of the lads on the park today got a yellow card. Apparently he said something to the referee which was taken exception to and the ref responded with changing the card to a red one.
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TigersFan5
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Scots vs Kings
After win last week scots seemed pretty confident this week and kings the same coming off a loss.
Scots (8) Will Miller scored himself a double in the first half crossing for the first try of the game, with (10) David Horrowitz constructing some beautiful play getting the backline moving, (15) Daniel Gallagher played exceptionally well at the back, covering lots of kicks and on one occasion, running down the sideline for a 50m run into the corner to post 1 of scots 6 tries. (7) Jack Walters was at his best, pilfering and making hits all day, he is definitely in the running for a GPS position. (11) Andrew Kellaway kicked well after taking over the duties of the team, kicking 4 from 7, (3con 1pen). Standouts from Scots: (2) (7) (8) (10) (15)
Now Kings.. Didn't nessacarily play bad footy, but from the way the backs ran, there wasn't enough flow. I think both their tries came from forwards and nothing was to fancy in the backline. There isn't much to be said about these guys, but don't put them away, they could make a few upsets this season if they can get a good combination down. Standouts: (2) (10) (12)
After win last week scots seemed pretty confident this week and kings the same coming off a loss.
Scots (8) Will Miller scored himself a double in the first half crossing for the first try of the game, with (10) David Horrowitz constructing some beautiful play getting the backline moving, (15) Daniel Gallagher played exceptionally well at the back, covering lots of kicks and on one occasion, running down the sideline for a 50m run into the corner to post 1 of scots 6 tries. (7) Jack Walters was at his best, pilfering and making hits all day, he is definitely in the running for a GPS position. (11) Andrew Kellaway kicked well after taking over the duties of the team, kicking 4 from 7, (3con 1pen). Standouts from Scots: (2) (7) (8) (10) (15)
Now Kings.. Didn't nessacarily play bad footy, but from the way the backs ran, there wasn't enough flow. I think both their tries came from forwards and nothing was to fancy in the backline. There isn't much to be said about these guys, but don't put them away, they could make a few upsets this season if they can get a good combination down. Standouts: (2) (10) (12)
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bighughie
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What are the fixtures for the next round?
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TigersFan5
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The Blindside
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Wow - with that sort of dominance View should have won by 50 - but they didn't. With 5 minutes to go there was only 5 points in it and the game could have gone either way. If Fin McDonald had played it would have been New by 10+.
Scots have been the most impressive team I've seen this season and based on the Scots and View games I've watched in the past two weeks, Scots should smash them.
Joe Mac
Arch Winning (36)
Match report
Much has been said already, I will try not to cover old ground.
The Newington team are monsters. At every match-up across the park, New had 10kg's minimum on their opposition. To the point where New wingers were bigger than the View forwards.
The final score was not a true reflection of the game with New having 75%+ possession and looking dominant for the majority of the game. It was however, a reflection of one of the best defensive efforts I have ever seen in Rugby, at any level.
View played a tactical game. Their backs were too small to threaten in attack so their game plan was to kick the ball to the corners and hope to keep play out of their half. Their kicking was pretty average with the ball rarely finding touch which, put enormous pressure on the side.
Newington played a very confident game of relentless attack opting a few times (once right in front of the posts) to take the line-out instead of a conversion, assured they smaller View team would not be able to hold them out.
View surprisingly had the dominant scrum winning a few tight heads while New had the dominant line-out. View did themselves no favours at the line-out. Their hooker must have been penalised 5 times for his throws not being straight.
Man of the match for View was Wells (No8) while the No7 from New could also put his hand up for such honours. He was the only player on the field in white that showed the same heart as View.
Turning points of the match.
Early, New had a scrum on the View 22. Their first real chance to score in the game. They opted for a classic crash ball from their monster No12. Wells was waiting in the channel for him and put on a bone-crunching hit, the ball flying out of the 12's hands. It took him a little to get up from the collision. On reflection this seemed to be a very important moment in the game. From here on in, New opted to shifting the ball wide and didn't utilise their dominant centres. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result, New were guilty of this. They kept performing the same backline moves which were easily countered by View again and again.
The second defining moment was a period of about 10-15 minutes on the View line where two tries were held up. New again tried the same moves over and over and could not make it over the line. At this stage of the game, I thought New had had it. There was no way View could keep defending against such monsters. Well somehow they did, and I think New were so dumbstruck about not being able to score that they lost belief in the Victory. Potentially the first time for this team in 2 years...
This is what Schoolboy rugby is all about. A team of boys fronting up to a team of stars and prevailing.
View playing as a team and with more determination than I have ever seen at this level, receive a well deserved win. New on the other hand, lost the game on poor coaching.
Congrats to View on an outstanding win.
Much has been said already, I will try not to cover old ground.
The Newington team are monsters. At every match-up across the park, New had 10kg's minimum on their opposition. To the point where New wingers were bigger than the View forwards.
The final score was not a true reflection of the game with New having 75%+ possession and looking dominant for the majority of the game. It was however, a reflection of one of the best defensive efforts I have ever seen in Rugby, at any level.
View played a tactical game. Their backs were too small to threaten in attack so their game plan was to kick the ball to the corners and hope to keep play out of their half. Their kicking was pretty average with the ball rarely finding touch which, put enormous pressure on the side.
Newington played a very confident game of relentless attack opting a few times (once right in front of the posts) to take the line-out instead of a conversion, assured they smaller View team would not be able to hold them out.
View surprisingly had the dominant scrum winning a few tight heads while New had the dominant line-out. View did themselves no favours at the line-out. Their hooker must have been penalised 5 times for his throws not being straight.
Man of the match for View was Wells (No8) while the No7 from New could also put his hand up for such honours. He was the only player on the field in white that showed the same heart as View.
Turning points of the match.
Early, New had a scrum on the View 22. Their first real chance to score in the game. They opted for a classic crash ball from their monster No12. Wells was waiting in the channel for him and put on a bone-crunching hit, the ball flying out of the 12's hands. It took him a little to get up from the collision. On reflection this seemed to be a very important moment in the game. From here on in, New opted to shifting the ball wide and didn't utilise their dominant centres. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result, New were guilty of this. They kept performing the same backline moves which were easily countered by View again and again.
The second defining moment was a period of about 10-15 minutes on the View line where two tries were held up. New again tried the same moves over and over and could not make it over the line. At this stage of the game, I thought New had had it. There was no way View could keep defending against such monsters. Well somehow they did, and I think New were so dumbstruck about not being able to score that they lost belief in the Victory. Potentially the first time for this team in 2 years...
This is what Schoolboy rugby is all about. A team of boys fronting up to a team of stars and prevailing.
View playing as a team and with more determination than I have ever seen at this level, receive a well deserved win. New on the other hand, lost the game on poor coaching.
Congrats to View on an outstanding win.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Well said. It's the same in senior rugby isn't it, and it looks like that was proved yesterday. I was not surprised. In the trials even the Joeys pack, which seemed to be outweighed by the New backs, got a good ration of ball from their scrums.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
I noted after the Joeys trial that New would be their own worst enemies and folks had mentioned the same thing the week before in their trial against Kings. Apparently they never got going against Scots in that trial either.
This trend will be recognised by the New coaches more than by anybody. They will have their work cut out to make the team gell better else their talent won't mean beans. Sometimes though, you can't blame the coaches entirely. Sometimes lads aren't as coachable as others and by the time they improve in that department the competition is in the hands of others.
It's easy to say that others more coachable should have been selected, but geez, that is hard to identify, and even if it is, coaches always back themselves to turn talented players around.
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bighughie
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I was lucky enough to watch the Scots vs Joeys game at the start of the season, The Scots backline struggled alot and had very little depth, There forwards performed well but from the scots team I saw. There is no chance of them coming close to Riverview.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
1. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened either, but would be more confident if the game was going to be in the new term. It's funny how one is influenced by a snapshot one has seen and it means more than the reports of others. Scots looked average, literally, in their trial against Joeys: neither good nor bad. Obviously they have moved on, we see it all the time. [PS - bighughie take note.]
2. This has been proven more times than once. The reps lads have a heavy load. I thought that some of the Kings players were affected last year.
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sandbox
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obviously you didnt watch the trial game in which View absolutely dominated Scots wining by around 30 points. Unless its a new Scotts team riverview should get up with ease again
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Try Time
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Since New lost their No. 10 in the 2nd half against Joeys they have scored 19 points and conceded 60. Tells you something.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
1. See my remarks on the previous page. Watching their scrums line up at scrum time is a bit like watching "The Blair Witch Project" and waiting for the scary part, which doesn't come.
2. Wells must be a top player as everybody is talking about him. I can't remember him from last year. I know he played for NSW IIs but the Oz tournament was in Brisbane. He made Oz Schools apparently but Luani was the 8 in the two games they played in Sydney - so he must have played on tour.
I saw him last week and he looked very skilful but I thought he needed a harder edge to his play. That opinion was obviously bunk, but one doesn't watch the same player the whole game and eyes can be mis-directed. I look forward to watching him in the upcoming trials.
3. Some teams like to keep it simple, but there is a close connection to simple and predictable isn't there? Obviously they are missing an Apo type of spark.
4. Indeed. I watch Joeys obviously and sometimes they lift my spirits, but oftentimes I am lifted by such attributes from their opponents also. My feelings are not so charitable towards the opponents of the senior teams I follow.
5. It must have been good for a View boy or fan to be watching that game.
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