NSW AAGPS 2017

[Azzuri]

Credit where credit is due!.....a great win to the CAS-O-PHILES and hopefully (and justifiably) the selections for NSW 1 and 2 are representative of the magnitude of the win!

Obviously this is their year and the AAGPS would do well to heed the lessons that complacency and overly self assured hubris have delivered !!!

 

[KOB1987]

I know that's what a lot of the parents from other schools are saying, also about the U15s. I don't know much about the 14s but there is apparently one giant in the team who is in the 1sts for basketball and if he's on a sports scholarship it's for that. I'm told that all bar one of the U15As players have been at the school the whole time. I think there is often an assumption that when there is a freak at a particular school that he must be on a scholarship, but the reality is he is going to turn up at one school or another regardless of that.

The 5/8 for the u13s is their best player, his dad was in the Aus schoolboys and is a friend of mine and his grandfather captained the wallabies, as far as I know he is there of his own volition. There are also sons of 2 wallabies and another Aus schoolboy, all with previous associations with kings. I think the age group will flourish as they get older as they aren't particularly big boys at this stage.

 

[Quick Hands]

I have a boy in the 13s at kings and is a boarder. There are twice as many year 7 boarders this year than there were last year and most are country boys. The under 13s this year go down to the Es, when I was there 30 years ago Fs was common with the occasional Gs. Back then there were about 100 boarders of each year group of about 150, now there are 50 boarders of a year group of 210+.

There are a lot more soccer teams at kings than rugby teams now yes, but this is mostly due to there being a much higher proportion of multi cultural students than there used to be. As pointed out the lower number of rugby players is highly correlated to the lower number of traditional country boarders. It's not really due to kids deciding to play soccer over rugby that otherwise would have played rugby, they are kids that were never exposed to rugby.

With regards to the u13s, their performance isn't an indication of rugby being in decline at the school, it's just that their 13s aren't an especially strong group, it's just how the dice rolled this year. That's despite there being some extremely talented players.

I'm not really trying to make a specific point here, just running the numbers and putting some clarity to some other comments.

It's the same changing demographic that has hit other GPS schools. Certainly it involves a proportion of boys who have had no previous involvement in rugby (or league for that matter).

It's definitely harder to attract those boys to rugby at the age of 13. Much easier if they have played league or union at club level before arriving at high school. I know that the Prep a Kings runs some of their teams in the IPSHA 7s and they have plenty of boys of SE Asian and Indian heritage in those teams. Hopefully some numbers will come through from that.

The firsts at Kings look very good this year - definite title contenders.

 

[KOB1987]

I think you are right, the halfback for the 13Bs is an Indian lad who had never played before. He started in the Es

 

[WTF?]

Probably best discussed on the other thread.

Just answering a question/statement and providing a possible answer. As soon as I typed the words "scholarship" I knew it would be on the radar! It's like you guys get a tip off the moment the word is posted.


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[Quick Hands]

Just answering a question/statement and providing a possible answer. As soon as I typed the words "scholarship" I knew it would be on the radar! It's like you guys get a tip off the moment the word is posted.


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Some of us have made the same mistake as you and been chastised previously.

 

[Rich_E]

My thoughts from tonight's CAS v GPS 1sts game.

Edwards (1), Breen (3), Williams (4), Rorke (6) and Poolman (12) all had good games in a well beaten side.

GPS scrum was dominant, especially in first half, but we were outplayed in all other facets of the game.

GPS had some good scoring opportunities, but CAS defensive effort was massive and shut us down time and again.

2 of 4 CAS tries came from Intercepts, although score still an accurate reflection of the game.

We played a bit too much up the middle IMO and I would have liked to have seen the ball spread wider. Although CAS rush defense did make that task very hard.

Best players for mine in CAS side were 5, 6, 10 and 12. Especially 10.
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[The Honey Badger]

Someone please tell me how Shore's demographic has changed and why that is causal to rugby performance.

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[The Honey Badger]

I'm told that all bar one of the U15As players have been at the school the whole time.

Is that the boy from Kings traditional catchment, from The Mount?

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[The Honey Badger]

Well done CAS, is good for rugby.

I don't think GPS are weak this year, so is a great effort.

I am looking forward to the ISA match up vs CAS. But unfortunately ISA selectors have not selected many Stannies boys even though they have beaten Aggies twice.



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[Rich_E]

Thats what i heard. 26-0
Can anyone confirm.?

Haha. You stirrer. You were at the game.
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[moa999]

The Shore 15s issue does however show the need to be flexible in all grades, and why reverting back to a dual round format may not be the best move (noting that we only went dual round when two other schools dropped out)

 

[sidelineview]

Haha. You stirrer. You were at the game.
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I had to have just a bit of fun with it

 

[Rich_E]

I had to have just a bit of fun with it

Of course you did.

All good with me. I had a good laugh when I read it.

Cheers

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[sidesteppa]

Steppa, will we receive some footage of GPS 1s vs CAS 1s tonight at 6:15?

No, sorry, unable to make it, was working in town.

 

[William88]

Will there be any changes to GPS first side before Fridays games after this evenings game? Are they likely to consider changes? Or team will stay as is?

 

[DragonMan]

I think you are right, the halfback for the 13Bs is an Indian lad who had never played before. He started in the Es

TKS, New, Shore and Joeys have all had Asian lads play in their 1sts and 2nds recently but does anyone know of Indian lads to play for a GPS school 1st XV in recent years? TKS, Grammar and High seem to have a very large population of boys from the sub-continent, surely a few must have risen through the ranks to play 1st XV?

 

[Quick Hands]

Someone please tell me how Shore's demographic has changed and why that is causal to rugby performance.

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It hasn't and I obviously wasn't alluding to them in that particular post. We were talking about Kings, which is now experiencing the type of demographic shift which has also hit High, Grammar and Newington.

Fear not, the anglo-saxon domination at Shore will continue. I suspect that as many of our administrators come from Shore, the cause there is one of complacency and mumsy not wanting the apple of her eye injured playing rugby.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

It hasn't and I obviously wasn't alluding to them in that particular post. We were talking about Kings, which is now experiencing the type of demographic shift which has also hit High, Grammar and Newington.

Fear not, the anglo-saxon domination at Shore will continue. I suspect that as many of our administrators come from Shore, the cause there is one of complacency and mumsy not wanting the apple of her eye injured playing rugby.

I don't think it's complacency - they have made considered changes over the years.
They have won 9 premierships, the last in 2006. They are historically not that good.
Grammar have won 13.
Kings 25, with 2 in the last 10 years
SJC heaps
SIC 6 with 4 in the last 10 years.
Newington - 8, with 3 of those in the last 10 years.
Scots - 10, with 4 of those is the last 10 years. And one in 1993 - their centenary.
So 3 of the historically least successful schools in rugby have won 11 premierships in the last 10 years (explained by shared premierships).
Leaving aside the false and misleading perception of 2 of them concerning their rugby pedigree, what is it about the last 10 years that has seen such a seismic shift in performance?
Hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder.

 

[The Honey Badger]

I don't think it's complacency - they have made considered changes over the years.
They have won 9 premierships, the last in 2006. They are historically not that good.

So 3 of the historically least successful schools in rugby have won 11 premierships in the last 10 years (explained by shared premierships).

Given SJC complete historical dominance, think Shore picked up their share of the scraps.

But interestingly, SJC, the most successful rugby school on the planet unable to secure a premiership over the same said 10 years.

HMMMM