Azzuri
Trevor Allan (34)
And I'm sure a three way tie for first at the end the one round comp will make all the lads and schools happy.
Win only two games and you are in with a shot at the championship!
NSW AAGPS 2017
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And I'm sure a three way tie for first at the end the one round comp will make all the lads and schools happy.
Win only two games and you are in with a shot at the championship!
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Azzuri
Trevor Allan (34)
Noted .... but if they stick with this stupid one round format i predict it will be a long time before any school wins a Championship!.... it will be a bit like being back in the under 10's.... everyone will get a trophy!
Jim Belshaw
Bob Loudon (25)
I've been out of the loop. There have clearly been changes. Could someone please explain the structure of next year's comp with a special focus on the thirds
White line fever
Fred Wood (13)
I hope 1 day someone will see a future beyond a tiny CAS and GPS comp,but looking at this page with silly bloody pictorials maybe not.
A change of pace here, does anyone think the day/night pink ball, in the most traditional national sport, is a good idea?
Rich_E
Ron Walden (29)
Very good point Az. And a close look at the results from the 2016 season illustrates this very clearly.
From the 10 rounds in 2016, there were essentially 6 sequences of 5 games played. Rounds 1 to 5, 2 to 6, 3 to 7 etc.
From those 6 sequences of 5 games, on 4 occasions, 2 or more teams would have tied for first place. Rounds 1 to 5 were tied by Scots, Kings and View. Rounds 2 to 6 were tied by Scots and Kings. Rounds 4 to 8 and 5 to 9 were tied by Scots and Newington.
The only 2 situations where there would have been an outright winner were rounds 3 to 7 won by Scots (the ultimate winner of the full 10 rounds) and rounds 6 to 10, won by Joeys (who came 4th after 10 rounds when for and against is taken into account)
Rich_E
Ron Walden (29)
Of course the introduction of the white/pink ball was/is a great idea. But i don't understand how you can compare a situation where the white/pink ball resulted in an increase in the number of cricket games played in a comp format where every game comes with competition points with the GPS/CAS rugby scenario where the number of comp games has been cut in half. Chalk and cheese. The problem with the new model IMO is not the expansion to play games against more schools. It's the reduction in the number of comp games ie games of significance and consequence.
SonnyDillWilliams
Nev Cottrell (35)
drain the swamp, I say
lucky I am not PM
my first Agenda item would be to fix the AAGPS comp
I'd build a Wall, starting at Balls Head tower, and running due West .... keeping the boater wearing toff's, safe from the Lebs, and other unsavoury types
That Ibrahim bloke would be kicked out of Castle Cove ... no more gun crime, next to my favourite 9 hole golf course
I'd wind back the clock, Sydney Boys High would only be allowed a MAXIMUM dozen kids, that spend all of their weekends at Bok Chow's HotHouse Tutoring School
... Redfern would be returned to the catchment area ... and there would be no shortage of handy indigenous backs
Sydney Grammar would have LSD reintroduced to the School Canteen, and that New Zealand ex-All Black twit (that looks like a Jockey) would be punted back to where he belongs
$cots would have to send their hyperbaric chamber down the hill to Cranbrook, where it would only be used for beauty treatments
Joeys would put an end to the charade of day girls, and return to full time indoctrination
and Kings would re-instate a farmer/grazier only policy ... if you can't differentiate Canola from Pattersons curse, you are GONE ... back to your Kelly-ville McMansion
bring back the GOOD old days I say ... when Joeys had 21 year olds playing regularly, and Shore at least had a big pack of lumbering forwards (as you wouldn't dare send your kid to Knox), and Newington provided the only multiculturalism ... fancy some Lamb souvlaki
lucky I am not PM
my first Agenda item would be to fix the AAGPS comp
I'd build a Wall, starting at Balls Head tower, and running due West .... keeping the boater wearing toff's, safe from the Lebs, and other unsavoury types
That Ibrahim bloke would be kicked out of Castle Cove ... no more gun crime, next to my favourite 9 hole golf course
I'd wind back the clock, Sydney Boys High would only be allowed a MAXIMUM dozen kids, that spend all of their weekends at Bok Chow's HotHouse Tutoring School
... Redfern would be returned to the catchment area ... and there would be no shortage of handy indigenous backs
Sydney Grammar would have LSD reintroduced to the School Canteen, and that New Zealand ex-All Black twit (that looks like a Jockey) would be punted back to where he belongs
$cots would have to send their hyperbaric chamber down the hill to Cranbrook, where it would only be used for beauty treatments
Joeys would put an end to the charade of day girls, and return to full time indoctrination
and Kings would re-instate a farmer/grazier only policy ... if you can't differentiate Canola from Pattersons curse, you are GONE ... back to your Kelly-ville McMansion
bring back the GOOD old days I say ... when Joeys had 21 year olds playing regularly, and Shore at least had a big pack of lumbering forwards (as you wouldn't dare send your kid to Knox), and Newington provided the only multiculturalism ... fancy some Lamb souvlaki
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
All we know is, he's called the stigSome say there are already pink balls in use, over at Hunters Hill.
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Just perhaps, many Headmasters have decided that the "arms race" (h/t David Kirk) may not support the development of young men. Limiting the number of games of consequence will probably lead to the limiting of expenditure on rugby programs, and a greater focus on year-round sporting participation plus education.
The biggest issue isn't the debate around one or two rounds. Most importantly, AAGPS elite rugby is now narrowly confined to only 6 teams. 3 games per weekend. That's no good for the development of rugby in Australia.
Again, just perhaps, the Headmasters have looked long term and are hoping that fewer "matches of consequence" will lead to a lessening of scholarships and expensive rugby programs which in turn may lead to an evening up of playing talent across all GPS schools. Ultimately leading to the re-introduction of High and Grammar at 1sts level - and an 8 team, 7 game GPS competition.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
It's actually easier to win it.
It might have the very desirable effect of de-emphasising rugby within the GPS.
No other sport in the system is so over inflated by its own importance, even rowing.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Bloody beautiful
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I thought acknowledging it as pink was grounds for expulsion from the the SJCOBUSome say there are already pink balls in use, over at Hunters Hill.
Rich_E
Ron Walden (29)
I get that FF (Folau Fainga'a). But if that is the rationale, then the Headmasters should provide that IMO. Until such explanation is provided, I think the change is regressive from 3 perspectives.
1. For the top 40 odd players in each age group at each school who I believe would want to play more than 5 comp games each season. Top 40 being 1sts/2nds in opens and As and Bs in each age group, plus some extras/reserves. Sadly, the minority.
2 The parents who enrolled their son at such schools (at huge expense and often with huge financial compromise) at least partly because they wanted to give there son the opportunity to play elite rugby in a competition that comprised more than a largely tokenistic 5 games.
3. The spectators, many of whom think that elite schools rugby is the most entertaining rugby you can watch live on a Saturday arvo and would far prefer a 10 round comp.
Until such time as an explanation for the change is provided, I can't help but think the change is very disappointing for all three groups identified above.
They'd have to chuck out too many of us: me, nephews, son, and there are a shitload of young cousins lined up attend in the next few years. The place'd go broke.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^Shades of Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" skit - "Every Sperm is Sacred"
White line fever
Fred Wood (13)
Rich_E,
My real point re crickets pink ball intro, was how change can be good.
Clearly it needs to be well thought through.
I agree with formerflankers comment, and I guess everyone else does to,
it would be nice to hear the rationale/strategy from the headmasters!
My real point re crickets pink ball intro, was how change can be good.
Clearly it needs to be well thought through.
I agree with formerflankers comment, and I guess everyone else does to,
it would be nice to hear the rationale/strategy from the headmasters!
Rugby Central
Charlie Fox (21)
Rich_E, In my modest opinion, what you say is very valid but your reasoning is possibly mistaken.
I would also suggest whoever wins the GPS competition will not be saying, "oh well, that was just a tokenistic effort". That's like saying without a competition the Joeys vs Riverview match is meaningless. I'll call bullshit on that everyday and twice on Sunday.
The Schools should explain themselves, absolutely. Change for the sake of change will usually do more harm than good. But to presume rugby is only fun and worthwhile when you exclude so much of the rugby playing public is simply.......Trumpish. I needed a word to say frustratingly closed-minded.
Back in the 80's it was said many GPS Schools wouldn't play Waratah Shield because they were afraid to lose to outsiders. I didn't think it was true then but maybe there was/is something to that
For competitive rugby players, they want to play first and foremost. They get the chance for GPS glory but otherwise they get to prove their worth against a greater variety of schools and players.
These parents need their heads read. If I'm going to pay upward of $30K a year I sure as sh!t want more than just a solid rugby program. These parents could save a truck load of cash sending their kids to the myriad schools playing high level league and get into the union programs through Club rugby. They could even play Colts if good enough.
I would also suggest whoever wins the GPS competition will not be saying, "oh well, that was just a tokenistic effort". That's like saying without a competition the Joeys vs Riverview match is meaningless. I'll call bullshit on that everyday and twice on Sunday.
While one cannot dispute the high quality of GPS Rugby, right or wrong, the sheer arrogance dripping from this comment is proof positive of the sheltered workshop mentality that brought the Shute Shield to it's knees and made the ARU administration such a laughing stock.
The Schools should explain themselves, absolutely. Change for the sake of change will usually do more harm than good. But to presume rugby is only fun and worthwhile when you exclude so much of the rugby playing public is simply.......Trumpish. I needed a word to say frustratingly closed-minded.
Back in the 80's it was said many GPS Schools wouldn't play Waratah Shield because they were afraid to lose to outsiders. I didn't think it was true then but maybe there was/is something to that
Rich_E
Ron Walden (29)
HI FF (Folau Fainga'a).
I hear you mate.
But I think you have read more into my points than was intended. At a minimum I think we can agree to disagree on certain issues. Fair enough. But I would like to counter comment on your three responses, so you and other readers are perfectly clear by what I meant. I hope this doesn't need to go any further.
Re your response to point 1
Fair enough
Re your response to point 2
I said "PARTLY because they wanted to give..." for precisely the reasons you expand on. I am well aware of the value in children receiving a broad education off and on the sporting field.
Re your response to point 3
I don't understand what is arrogant about preferring to watch a 10 round comp, rather than a 5 round comp. I can't imagine there would be many spectators who wouldn't, regardless of the sport.
I can see how you might think my comment was arrogant if I had said I would prefer to watch a 10 round comp involving ONLY GPS schools. But I didn't and I think you have assumed I did.
In fact, I am a supporter of expanding the comp to include schools from other associations. My issue is not with including games with other associations. My issue is reducing comp games, from 10 to 5, regardless of who those games are played against.
Cheers
Rich
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