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David Wilson (68)
Matt Williams might find things a little tougher this year.
NSW AAGPS 2017
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Nev Cottrell (35)
I think both Knox and Waverley will put up a good show and could easily upset some of the gps schools
Definitely some cross/code games of interest
Say scots versus Knox
Waverley v shore
Joeys v Waverley
Why is there one trial round where scots and joeys aren't participating?
Shame st augustines has been excluded?!
In my estimation st augustines could beat any of these teams on their day ... and suspect they will be strong in 2017
Definitely some cross/code games of interest
Say scots versus Knox
Waverley v shore
Joeys v Waverley
Why is there one trial round where scots and joeys aren't participating?
Shame st augustines has been excluded?!
In my estimation st augustines could beat any of these teams on their day ... and suspect they will be strong in 2017
rollin_maul
Peter Burge (5)
When did Joeys and Waverley last play?
Azzuri
Trevor Allan (34)
What a freaking waste of time....feel lucky that I'll be watching colts in 2017 rather than the imploding mish mash catastrophe that replaced the perfectly good two round AAGPS comp.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
ISA still playing a 2 round competition and also, Augustine's wouldn't have enough teams to match up with the schools involved in this. Only go to 3rd XV and down to Bs in 16s, Cs in 15s and Ds in 13s and 14s.
That and travelling to Armidale were Joeys big complaints. They pushed hardest for this.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
It's a ludicrous proposition to play one game, then have a five week break and then play the last four games. If it's to be a one round competition, surely it's not too much to ask that the games would be on 5 consecutive Saturdays in term 3?
I think what we have here is a horse designed by a committee.
Rachet_84
Ward Prentice (10)
The way it is set- up for 2017, well it is set-up for players to have opportunities get injured in non-relevant trial games. However, the good players have to play in the non-relevant trials to have any chance of impressing for representative honours.
If anything, they should have had 2 trial games followed by the 5 round comp for the championship and then had their non-relevant games for fun. Just my opinion!
If anything, they should have had 2 trial games followed by the 5 round comp for the championship and then had their non-relevant games for fun. Just my opinion!
Rich_E
Ron Walden (29)
Looks like a good deal for 2 CAS schools - Waverley and Knox. And a dud deal for everyone else.
No wonder certain CAS supporters have been banging on in this thread about the merits of playing more schools, that play different rugby styles.
Waverley and Knox lose a full round of comp games but instead each play 5 trial games against 5 GPS schools.
The GPS schools on the other hand lose a full round of comp games and instead, mainly play trial games against other GPS schools.
Scots, for example, only play one trial against a CAS side - Knox. Four of the other five GPS schools have a second trial against a CAS team and Newington also play Oak Hill. All other trial games are amongst themselves. Where is the diversity in that?
No wonder certain CAS supporters have been banging on in this thread about the merits of playing more schools, that play different rugby styles.
Waverley and Knox lose a full round of comp games but instead each play 5 trial games against 5 GPS schools.
The GPS schools on the other hand lose a full round of comp games and instead, mainly play trial games against other GPS schools.
Scots, for example, only play one trial against a CAS side - Knox. Four of the other five GPS schools have a second trial against a CAS team and Newington also play Oak Hill. All other trial games are amongst themselves. Where is the diversity in that?
Rich_E
Ron Walden (29)
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I might join you Az. At least until the games of significance and consequence start
I might join you Az. At least until the games of significance and consequence start
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sidelineview
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The CAS draw will be similar with the first Round of the Comp proper to be played one week before the Rep season commences.
The real motivation in the trial matches will be for the better players to perform well to make their respective Association rep teams, but I wonder what motivation the ''other'' players will have. People may argue that all players stand a chance to impress selectors to make the 1st or 2nd XV rep squads and that's true, but the emphasis will be more on individual performances rather than on the way a team performs.
No doubt there will be a big temptation for players to play for themselves to impress selectors. Coaches will try to discourage players from adopting that attitude but it will still happen. You'd have to expect it.
I have to wonder how hollow or fulfilling any ''trial game'' victories will be without a competition table to refer to.
The real emphasis on team performances wont start until the one-round competition starts and that's when the traditional schoolboy rugby spirit will kick in.
The real motivation in the trial matches will be for the better players to perform well to make their respective Association rep teams, but I wonder what motivation the ''other'' players will have. People may argue that all players stand a chance to impress selectors to make the 1st or 2nd XV rep squads and that's true, but the emphasis will be more on individual performances rather than on the way a team performs.
No doubt there will be a big temptation for players to play for themselves to impress selectors. Coaches will try to discourage players from adopting that attitude but it will still happen. You'd have to expect it.
I have to wonder how hollow or fulfilling any ''trial game'' victories will be without a competition table to refer to.
The real emphasis on team performances wont start until the one-round competition starts and that's when the traditional schoolboy rugby spirit will kick in.
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sidelineview
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The second round clashes more often than not determine which team ends up as Premiers or joint Premiers, so throwing a blanket over it and labeling the whole second round as ''boring'' is an exaggeration.
rollin_maul
Peter Burge (5)
The conspiracy theorist in me can't help but wonder whether this is phase one in a bigger plan. See how Waverley and Knox go against the GPS teams in a string of trail matches next year. And if it goes well, then create a new comp for 1st and 2nd XV in 2018 that involves Waverley, Knox and the GPS schools. You could throw St Augustines and Oakhill in too, as no doubt they would be competitive
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sidelineview
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You might be on the right track there.
To be honest, I'm not sure if in general terms, CAS schools can compete week-in-week-out consistently every year with GPS schools.
It's been proven through results that the best of the CAS players can compete with the best of the GPS players in the form of rep teams, however, bringing that back to individual teams/schools is a different matter.
For a start, there is a disparity in the way some GPS schools 'recruit' players as compared to CAS schools. In theory, no schools are allowed to recruit talented rugby players, but in reality it happens.
Waverley, for example, do not employ any special rugby recruitment policies and even though they fielded a high-standard team last season, they had their ups and downs in the previous couple of seasons. In other words, it is cyclical.
There was talk that Waverley didn't want to compete against ''the big boys'' but that's rubbish. A realistic view of whether the school could be consistently competitive against GPS schools long term is a sensible approach.
It could be a different story with Knox.
It's been mentioned before that the problem with Australian rugby is in the lack of promotion of the game within public schools and domestic Club competitions, and not so much in private school competitions.
White line fever
Fred Wood (13)
rollin_maul,
My view re an overall stronger comp is exactly as you have put it above, including Oakhill and St. Augustines would make it a super comp imo.
I do hope this first step develops into such a comp in the not too distant future.
As it currently stands it is not there yet.
To appease all concerned it would be nice if the powers involved did articulate the end strategy for us all!
I think that's a reasonable request!
Sideline, I still think that in the CAS there are typically only 2-3 teams each year who stand a chance of winning, and they are normally the same ones, so the other half of the games can be very lopsided "boring", this new situation should eliminate/reduce thrashings.
If you look forward it is evident that in a number of CAS schools the lack of depth in age groups is more than worrying. eg 13's Barker has 3 teams, Aloys has 2, Cranbrook has 4. So go forward to when they are in the opens, and what do you think will happen.
This change addresses a lot of serious issues going forward AND can create a stronger comp then previously enjoyed by any association.
I agree with many others that it should be developed into a real comp, and drop the "trial" tag.
My view re an overall stronger comp is exactly as you have put it above, including Oakhill and St. Augustines would make it a super comp imo.
I do hope this first step develops into such a comp in the not too distant future.
As it currently stands it is not there yet.
To appease all concerned it would be nice if the powers involved did articulate the end strategy for us all!
I think that's a reasonable request!
Sideline, I still think that in the CAS there are typically only 2-3 teams each year who stand a chance of winning, and they are normally the same ones, so the other half of the games can be very lopsided "boring", this new situation should eliminate/reduce thrashings.
If you look forward it is evident that in a number of CAS schools the lack of depth in age groups is more than worrying. eg 13's Barker has 3 teams, Aloys has 2, Cranbrook has 4. So go forward to when they are in the opens, and what do you think will happen.
This change addresses a lot of serious issues going forward AND can create a stronger comp then previously enjoyed by any association.
I agree with many others that it should be developed into a real comp, and drop the "trial" tag.
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sidelineview
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Sideline, I still think that in the CAS there are typically only 2-3 teams each year who stand a chance of winning, and they are normally the same ones, so the other half of the games can be very lopsided "boring", this new situation should eliminate/reduce thrashings.
If you look forward it is evident that in a number of CAS schools the lack of depth in age groups is more than worrying. eg 13's Barker has 3 teams, Aloys has 2, Cranbrook has 4. So go forward to when they are in the opens, and what do you think will happen.
OK, so how do those 2-3 CAS schools compare with GPS schools in numbers per age groups and projected overall strength?
And how do they compare with recruitment policies?
Breaking those 2-3 schools away from the pack in the CAS rugby competition may solve one problem, but does it create another one?
If you look forward it is evident that in a number of CAS schools the lack of depth in age groups is more than worrying. eg 13's Barker has 3 teams, Aloys has 2, Cranbrook has 4. So go forward to when they are in the opens, and what do you think will happen.
OK, so how do those 2-3 CAS schools compare with GPS schools in numbers per age groups and projected overall strength?
And how do they compare with recruitment policies?
Breaking those 2-3 schools away from the pack in the CAS rugby competition may solve one problem, but does it create another one?
White line fever
Fred Wood (13)
If you join a new and stronger comp I would think that the motivation to strengthen the numbers in age groups, to be more competitive, is greater than staying in a comp that will probably get weaker, re the declining no. of teams in half the CAS schools.
If Waverley and Knox have agreed to be part of this new format then you would logically think that these types of requirements are acknowledged and focused on, surely.
Knox recruit, as yet Waverley doesn't and I don't think needs to, it has always had lots of local talent, just needs solid coaching, imo, which our opens had this year!
Don't forget there will still be the CAS comp for all these schools, and in the same format as it was for vast majority of history, it wasn't broken then, so its not broken now, imo.
No one has mentioned a 2nd tier comp as yet, but there must be a plan for those schools, I assume, prior to the normal association comps.
As I previously suggested it would be great to hear the whole plan from the decision makers!
If Waverley and Knox have agreed to be part of this new format then you would logically think that these types of requirements are acknowledged and focused on, surely.
Knox recruit, as yet Waverley doesn't and I don't think needs to, it has always had lots of local talent, just needs solid coaching, imo, which our opens had this year!
Don't forget there will still be the CAS comp for all these schools, and in the same format as it was for vast majority of history, it wasn't broken then, so its not broken now, imo.
No one has mentioned a 2nd tier comp as yet, but there must be a plan for those schools, I assume, prior to the normal association comps.
As I previously suggested it would be great to hear the whole plan from the decision makers!
White line fever
Fred Wood (13)
Rachet_84,
You mentioned the 1st and 2nd XV's in the GPS vs CAS rounds, is there any news about the younger age groups, and whether its is all grades?
You mentioned the 1st and 2nd XV's in the GPS vs CAS rounds, is there any news about the younger age groups, and whether its is all grades?
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sidelineview
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You didn't answer my questions regarding rugby numbers and projected overall strength; you ran with assumptions and generalisations.
Waverley will definitely need to recruit to keep up to speed with GPS schools. Whether they do or not is another matter.
It would be great to see a list of priorities from the rugby decision makers in regards to what are the main problems within Australian rugby.
The private schools competitions wouldn't be high on that list.
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