NSW AAGPS 2017

[Quick Hands]

The heads of schools obviously think this stuff works
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The ideas come from heads of sport, rather than headmasters.

There's been a big push by SJC of late to try to reduce, minimise or eliminate the need to send multiple teams to multiple locations. Interestingly, the 2017 format led to more of this rather than less.

Without getting into too much detail, the 2018 format is designed to minimise if not go close as possible to eliminating the multiple location issue. It remains to be seen whether it's successful or not in doing so.

 

[sidelineview]

You're assuming that the old boys would want a combined competition. If so, I suspect you would be disappointed.

I'm assuming anyone with half a brain wouldn't want meaningless trials played in place of real competition games. Not even Baldrick from Blackadder would consider it a good and constructive idea.

 

[sidelineview]

That's the first I've ever heard of any suggestion of two comps being run concurrently. Not even SANZAAR could come up with such a ridiculous idea.

Why? it kills two birds with the one stone and provides people with real competition games in place of trial matches which, if repeated next season would be enough to make someone go and watch AFL games instead... well almost. At least stay home and mow the lawn, or watch the grass grow, or book in to have a lobotomy.

 

[Quick Hands]

Why? it kills two birds with the one stone and provides people with real competition games in place of trial matches which, if repeated next season would be enough to make someone go and watch AFL games instead. well almost. At least stay home and mow the lawn, or watch the grass grow, or book in to have a lobotomy.

Because it would be ludicrously complicated to follow and wouldn't solve the key issue of multiple teams at multiple venues which is the key driver.

There is almost zero appetite for a combined super schools competition in any of the associations.

 

[Quick Hands]

I'm assuming anyone with half a brain wouldn't want meaningless trials played in place of real competition games. Not even Baldrick from Blackadder would consider it a good and constructive idea.

If the object of the exercise was real competition games, then the associations would go back to 2 rounds.

 

[SillyBilly]

All you passionate GPS supporters:- I believe we have a wonderful GPS Comp full of history that is a little bit broken at the moment - hence everyone is trying to find solutions to get more GPS comp games instead of trials. I believe we need to re-strengthen the great GPS comp we have instead of merging with others. I think the immediate threat to our comp is the demise of Shore. We cannot afford to lose them or we will be down to a very small competition. How do we HELP the wounded warrior become the rugby force they once were??? or what do they need to do???? Any suggestions?

 

[sidelineview]

If the object of the exercise was real competition games, then the associations would go back to 2 rounds.

Because it would be ludicrously complicated to follow and wouldn't solve the key issue of multiple teams at multiple venues which is the key driver.

There is almost zero appetite for a combined super schools competition in any of the associations.

There is even less than zero interest in trial matches. It happened for one season for whatever reason and is dead in the water as a reasonable idea.

A combined competition would only involve the higher Opens teams as a viable option I assume.

Also I understood that the rugby governing bodies were keen to expand and promote schoolboy rugby.

Anyway, you sound like you've got information about it. I dont know, but a committee of 10 Baldrick clones wouldn't vote for another season of excessive mind numbing trials.

 

[Quick Hands]

There is even less than zero interest in trial matches. It happened for one season for whatever reason and is dead in the water as a reasonable idea.

A combined competition would only involve the higher Opens teams as a viable option I assume.

Also I understood that the rugby governing bodies were keen to expand and promote schoolboy rugby.

Anyway, you sound like you've got information about it. I dont know, but a committee of 10 Baldrick clones wouldn't vote for another season of excessive mind numbing trials.

But what you perceive as the problem and what the schools perceive are two very different things.

The schools want all (or the vast majority) of their teams playing at the same venue for school spirit, reserves between teams, ease of transport (and lunch) for boarders and such issues.

You seem to want (I hope I'm understanding you correctly) a super schools competition with only higher opens teams playing and other teams playing other teams at other locations.

I'd leave the governing body/ies out of it, they seem to have enough on their plate stuffing up the professional game without stickiing their nose into schools. Personally the thought of either the ARU of the NSWRU having anything to do with the education of my children fills me with dread.

I think perhaps it was the Baldrick clones who came up with the concurrent competitions playing alternate weeks idea.

 

[Azzuri]

I think perhaps it was the Baldrick clones who came up with the concurrent competitions playing alternate weeks idea.

 

[One eyed pirate]

Sideline, I agree "everyone from players to parents, want competition games". trials end up being all a bit meaningless

when will 2018's schedule be announced?

on an unrelated issue . I was thinking how well coached that Kings team seemed . who are the coaches? The forwards in particular were clinical . not that View wasn't well drilled too.

Although I personally thought they (Kings) were pushing the boundaries in terms of taking out players . whether it be at the breakdown, cleaning out beyond what I understand is allowable . and taking out players well and truly after the ball had been passed in general play

even one of the photos captures Dog Junior . as I am calling Dog Poolman's son ..Ed Poolman taking out a player

anyway reminds me of an old rugby quote

"You've got to get your first tackle in early, even if its late".

I haven't seen a lot of talk about the hooker from Kings, Loh. Reserve forward last year, Australian schoolboys hooker this year. Another player from Kings which has materially improved under these coaches.


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[One eyed pirate]

Sideline, I agree "everyone from players to parents, want competition games". trials end up being all a bit meaningless

when will 2018's schedule be announced?

on an unrelated issue . I was thinking how well coached that Kings team seemed . who are the coaches? The forwards in particular were clinical . not that View wasn't well drilled too.

Although I personally thought they (Kings) were pushing the boundaries in terms of taking out players . whether it be at the breakdown, cleaning out beyond what I understand is allowable . and taking out players well and truly after the ball had been passed in general play

even one of the photos captures Dog Junior . as I am calling Dog Poolman's son ..Ed Poolman taking out a player

anyway reminds me of an old rugby quote

"You've got to get your first tackle in early, even if its late".

I have noticed Kings and Scots are pushing those boundaries.


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[One eyed pirate]

All you passionate GPS supporters:- I believe we have a wonderful GPS Comp full of history that is a little bit broken at the moment - hence everyone is trying to find solutions to get more GPS comp games instead of trials. I believe we need to re-strengthen the great GPS comp we have instead of merging with others. I think the immediate threat to our comp is the demise of Shore. We cannot afford to lose them or we will be down to a very small competition. How do we HELP the wounded warrior become the rugby force they once were??? or what do they need to do???? Any suggestions?

Yes, you have a 2 division joint GPS/CAS comp and bring back Grammar and High. Shore would probably play in division 2 and be close to the top of that division.
PS, I don't think there's anything majorly wrong with rugby at Shore. Participation in opens is great, down to 8ths. The 14's age group are very strong. There is a problem with the 15a's.
The issue is that the best players are attracted to a small number of schools for various reasons. Shore refuses to seek students based on sporting ability and you don't have a chance of getting your son into the school unless you enrol them on the day they are born-I'm not exaggerating! So the likelihood of having the best rugby players is very low.



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[sidelineview]

But what you perceive as the problem and what the schools perceive are two very different things.

The schools want all (or the vast majority) of their teams playing at the same venue for school spirit, reserves between teams, ease of transport (and lunch) for boarders and such issues.

You seem to want (I hope I'm understanding you correctly) a super schools competition with only higher opens teams playing and other teams playing other teams at other locations.

I'd leave the governing body/ies out of it, they seem to have enough on their plate stuffing up the professional game without stickiing their nose into schools. Personally the thought of either the ARU of the NSWRU having anything to do with the education of my children fills me with dread.

I think perhaps it was the Baldrick clones who came up with the concurrent competitions playing alternate weeks idea.

What I dont want, which is more to the point, is a repeat of all the trial matches which ended up being as interesting as watching reruns of Question time in Parliament.

Schoolboy rugby without competition is like a honeymoon night without the bride and groom taking their duds off.

Why anyone would want to see trial matches played beyond what was ''normal' before is puzzling. You seem to think its OK.

If most people/schools dont want a combined competition then why in the f... did they introduce it this season in a trial format? if it wasnt a precursor for something similar in the future? Was it just a bad idea? it seems like it was a very significant step to take without some sort of follow up.

Would a combined comp work logistically? Did the trials combined ''comp'' work this season? If so then the two could work concurrently or in the same season.

As far as the governing bodies are concerned, and i agree the ARU makes all of Baldrick's relations look like Rhodes scholars, why wouldn't they be interested in the schools comps? Schools and junior rugby are the nurseries. It doesnt mean they would govern and i'm not sure if they would have much of an influence, but it's in their interest to remain interested.

 

[sidelineview]

And thats the other thing.
It was reported to be or maybe just assumed to turn into a divisional comp which would assist the struggling schools in respective Associations.

 

[Rich_E]

The ideas come from heads of sport, rather than headmasters.

There's been a big push by SJC of late to try to reduce, minimise or eliminate the need to send multiple teams to multiple locations. Interestingly, the 2017 format led to more of this rather than less.

Without getting into too much detail, the 2018 format is designed to minimise if not go close as possible to eliminating the multiple location issue. It remains to be seen whether it's successful or not in doing so.

QH.

Are you able to give us a sense of when the info re 2018 format will become publicly available?

Rich
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[WLF]

It appears to me that the comfort factor, and logistics factor, is way more important than lifting the profile of this important school boys comp, which is, and has always proven to be a big part in the development of the National team.

"Just ask anyone and they will tell you a 2 game comp is the best"
That clearly suits a lot of people for comfort reasons but IMO we have too many silos of comps, and the real BEST don't get to play the BEST, if you believe the quality of competition drives a better outcome, then it cannot be happening right now, simple logic at the highest school boy level (which is what I am talking about). Other grades can be addressed as required but these grades shouldn't determine what the 1st XV do.


Once again Rugby in OZ is going down the s...hole.

If everyone is happy with that, that's fine, but stop commenting on the poor Wallabies/dominance of the All Blacks etc, because under our shrinking protective system it will never change, it will only get worse, if that's possible.

This years system needs to evolve into something where the best play the best and a new history will start, with a new and more inclusive comp, ie ISA,CHS,GPS and CAS,and maybe a playoff against the best QLD school team. We should still play in our own comps but 1 round should normally prove who is best, it did for nearly 90 years.

n.b. If you win the big comp, then you really are the best.

Many have said why don't the authorities let us know the plan, surely someone amongst us all must know someone who can shed some light.

 

[Quick Hands]

QH.

Are you able to give us a sense of when the info re 2018 format will become publicly available?

Rich
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Needs to go to the headmasters. I'm not sure when they meet next. I'd imagine not till after the season.

 

[sidelineview]

Needs to go to the headmasters. I'm not sure when they meet next. I'd imagine not till after the season.

Can you tell the headmasters that me, Azzuri and Baldrick dont like all the trial matches and can they replace them with real games if its not too much trouble.
Thanks

 

[Quick Hands]

Can you tell the headmasters that me, Azzuri and Baldrick dont like all the trial matches and can they replace them with real games if its not too much trouble.
Thanks

Alas, I don't mix in such august company. I'm sure that they all have the best interests of their students at the forefront of their minds.

 

[sidelineview]

Alas, I don't mix in such august company. I'm sure that they all have the best interests of their students at the forefront of their minds.

So you dont have inside info?