New Zealand Rugby Team Watch
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Gillys_ghost
Dave Cowper (27)
Is there anywhere i could find an injury list for the nz players? I know Laumape is out with a fracture, and Retallick is enjoying his sabbatical but other than that i have no idea whos available and who isnt
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
^ Of those who would likely have been picked Scott Barrett is out for some time with a foot injury & Atu Moli has had surgery on both hips to correct what I think was described as a congenital condition. Laumape is likely to be back in M10 Cup shortly.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
As above plus Pari Pari Parkinson, who I think was a real real strong chance.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
^ lol was just coming back to Edit my post & include him, thanks for saving me the trouble 
Gillys_ghost
Dave Cowper (27)
Thanks guys, forgot about scott. What do the all blacks do for the back 3? Is barrett going to stay at 15 with Mo'unga at 10 or do you put a goalkicker at 15?
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Personally ,I would have Jordie Barrett at 15 and let Mounga and Beuady duke it out for 10.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
^ yeah, I'd have:
15. JBar
14. Jordan
11. Clarke
But as we all know Fozzie's a huge DMac fan so he probably starts with one of JBar & Jordan on the wing & the other in 23.
15. JBar
14. Jordan
11. Clarke
But as we all know Fozzie's a huge DMac fan so he probably starts with one of JBar & Jordan on the wing & the other in 23.
zer0
John Thornett (49)
I've got plenty of reservations about Foster, but Plumtree is one guy I'm confident will do a good job.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...-of-ian-fosters-new-all-blacks-squad-for-2020
Hansen was always a bit of a soft forwards coach, as far back as when he was Henry's assistant. So it's good to hear Plumtree talking about this; even better if he can put it into practice, which I'm sure he will do.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...-of-ian-fosters-new-all-blacks-squad-for-2020
Hansen was always a bit of a soft forwards coach, as far back as when he was Henry's assistant. So it's good to hear Plumtree talking about this; even better if he can put it into practice, which I'm sure he will do.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Actually what Fozzie more or less said early in year, we were bullied in forwards , and have to fix it.
Investing more in the forward battle will mean potentially more isolated runners on the fringes
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Yes but had Blackadder not got injured he'd have been playing 8 with Douglas on the bench.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Ennor's injury confirmed as a ruptured ACL. No replacement to be named until AB schedule confirmed, possibly on Friday.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...ruptures-acl-in-injury-in-north-v-south-match
Peter Umaga-Jensen next cab off the rank?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...ruptures-acl-in-injury-in-north-v-south-match
Peter Umaga-Jensen next cab off the rank?
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
You would think so WOB, Lumpy still well away, though I would be more than happy with Jordie covering midfield.
KiwiM
Arch Winning (36)
He tore his other ACL as a schoolboy.
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
Arguably Peter should've been no. 1 already but very excited to see how he goes in Test Rugby. Why wasn't he playing N v S?
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
zer0
John Thornett (49)
Another pumping weekend evening here in Onehunga has led to a quick comparison of the All Blacks and Wallabies squads by test caps.
Summary stats for the forwards, backs, and entire squads:
Here we can see that the midfield and, more importantly, the halves is where the greatest differences lay.
Some other observations that are not immediately obvious from the stats, but probably already picked up by most on here by, you know, simply knowing a bit about the teams and players.
The locking selection for both sides are dominated by their respective centurions of Whitelock (117 caps) and Simmons (100); the second most experienced locks are Tuipulotu and Salakaia-Loto, with 21 apiece. Though, from the AB's perspective, that will even up a good deal when Retallick (82 caps @ 28) and Best Barrett (36 caps @ 26) return.
Similarly, the loose-forwards in both squads are a bunch of children with a supervising adult -- or two in the case of the AB's. Hooper (99) is responsible for 99% of all the Wallabies test caps within their unit, while Cane (68) and Savea (35) have 89% of the AB's caps. Between them, all of the remaining 11 loosies have 22 caps total. Clearly there will be a lot of player development for both sides at lock and among the loose-forwards.
With 64 caps to his name, Perenara has near double the caps of all four of the selected Wallaby halfbacks (36 in total). This is before we even get onto the Sex Pest himself..... First-five is a bit muddy. I've only included Mo'unga as the AB first-five, with B.Barrett with the outside backs. Meanwhile, based on Qwerty's post on the Wallabies thread, both O'Connor and To'omua are being selected as first-fives. Meaning that the Wallabies have 104 caps at first-five against the AB's 17, and a distinct advantage. Though you can move Barrett back into first-five to bring the total up to a more equitable 101 caps. Equally, the Wallabies could shift O'Connor and/or To'omua into the midfield to significantly boost their limited test experience there (a total of 3 caps!).
Also worth mentioning that Australia has a large squad named with ~2/3rd's having fewer than five caps (versus NZ's ~1/3rd). Thus, their values on the chart may change noticeably in some units depending on who is, or isn't, cut. For instance, cutting their two most inexperienced props and a hooker -- giving them the same number of front rowers as NZ -- would nudge them ahead on the front rowers experience. They also potentially have two players coming in from overseas, and I'm not sure what their injury situation is like.
Of course caps aren't the be all and end all, but it's a mildly interesting look at the quantifiable differences in experience across both squads.
Summary stats for the forwards, backs, and entire squads:
- Forwards
- All Blacks: 475 caps from 20 players == 23.75 caps @ 26 years old
- Wallabies: 495 caps from 24 players == 20.63 caps @ 24 years old
- Backs
- All Blacks: 405 caps from 15 players == 27.00 caps @ 25 years old
- Wallabies: 258 caps from 20 players == 12.90 caps @ 25 years old
- Squad
- All Blacks: 880 caps from 35 players == 25.14 caps @ 26 years old
- Wallabies: 753 caps from 44 players == 17.11 caps @ 25 years old
Here we can see that the midfield and, more importantly, the halves is where the greatest differences lay.
Some other observations that are not immediately obvious from the stats, but probably already picked up by most on here by, you know, simply knowing a bit about the teams and players.
The locking selection for both sides are dominated by their respective centurions of Whitelock (117 caps) and Simmons (100); the second most experienced locks are Tuipulotu and Salakaia-Loto, with 21 apiece. Though, from the AB's perspective, that will even up a good deal when Retallick (82 caps @ 28) and Best Barrett (36 caps @ 26) return.
Similarly, the loose-forwards in both squads are a bunch of children with a supervising adult -- or two in the case of the AB's. Hooper (99) is responsible for 99% of all the Wallabies test caps within their unit, while Cane (68) and Savea (35) have 89% of the AB's caps. Between them, all of the remaining 11 loosies have 22 caps total. Clearly there will be a lot of player development for both sides at lock and among the loose-forwards.
With 64 caps to his name, Perenara has near double the caps of all four of the selected Wallaby halfbacks (36 in total). This is before we even get onto the Sex Pest himself..... First-five is a bit muddy. I've only included Mo'unga as the AB first-five, with B.Barrett with the outside backs. Meanwhile, based on Qwerty's post on the Wallabies thread, both O'Connor and To'omua are being selected as first-fives. Meaning that the Wallabies have 104 caps at first-five against the AB's 17, and a distinct advantage. Though you can move Barrett back into first-five to bring the total up to a more equitable 101 caps. Equally, the Wallabies could shift O'Connor and/or To'omua into the midfield to significantly boost their limited test experience there (a total of 3 caps!).
Also worth mentioning that Australia has a large squad named with ~2/3rd's having fewer than five caps (versus NZ's ~1/3rd). Thus, their values on the chart may change noticeably in some units depending on who is, or isn't, cut. For instance, cutting their two most inexperienced props and a hooker -- giving them the same number of front rowers as NZ -- would nudge them ahead on the front rowers experience. They also potentially have two players coming in from overseas, and I'm not sure what their injury situation is like.
Of course caps aren't the be all and end all, but it's a mildly interesting look at the quantifiable differences in experience across both squads.