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Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...or-parramatta-and-the-west-20100325-r016.html

I've got an idea fuckwits - why don't you get off your arses and start making your presence felt out this way? Two other clubs in our area have folded to 6th Div and while we're looking to field three grades every week, not a lot of clubs can do that. So its time to start putting the pressure on local councils to get grounds purpose-built for rugby, rather than just let the pollies mouth off about the support they're going to give clubs like ours and others.

Fuck, the local league team nearly folded because they bought a couple of players one year and didn't want to pay the bills the next, but they still keep their heads above water.

Cut Matt Giteau's pay cheque and start putting some money into local rugby.

ARU joins battle for Parramatta and the west
GREG GROWDEN
March 26, 2010

Parramatta, under threat of being axed from the Shute Shield competition due to a shortage of players, are relying on a meeting with Australian Rugby Union officials next week to save the club.

The Two Blues, who won back-to-back first-grade premierships in 1985-86 and produced several Wallabies, including Ray Price, Tony Melrose, Andrew Leeds and current Test hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau, have struggled to be competitive in recent years, losing key players to other clubs in the off-season.

With just over two weeks to the start of the Shute Shield, NSW officials are concerned that Parramatta are well short of players, to the extent that they could even struggle to field just two grade teams this season.

However, at ARU level, there is a push for Parramatta to remain in the premiership to maintain the code's identity in Sydney's west, especially with the AFL and rugby league promoting themselves heavily in the area.

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Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
It would be a sad day for NSW rugby if the two blues go under - it is exactly the opposite of what is needed.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
This is fucked.

how the west of sydney was lost.

NSW rugby thanks for fucking another thing up
 

AussieDominance

Trevor Allan (34)
I have a mate playing Parra colts this season says they are going alright.... He played Kings 1sts(In a team that were joint premiers last season) and is playing 1's/2's Colts there.....

He lived in Sydney throughout his schooling from Year 3 to Year 12 but the family have packed up and moved back to what used to be a family home on the Central Coast now...

I know they have a few Central Coast Colts but what they need to be doing is targeting a lot of those blokes playing first grade up on the Coast as well as areas like Newcastle etc... This to compliment their juniors... If the effort is put in the results will come out, the ideal situation is to not to relocate a player from his home/job etc but if you have to do that you have to make the effort you should be able to pair people together in units..... etc and eventually find them a job in a CBD such as Parramatta....
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm still fucking angry about this.

I just found out that about 3 blokes from Norwest Bulls (who were in 5th Div a couple of years ago with us but have been Div 6 since 2008) are coming over. So while I'm happy we're stronger, I'm shitty that other teams are getting weak. We'll soon need two sub-divisions for 6th Div because they've already got 14 teams and if another couple of clubs fold, having a 16-team comp is even more ridiculous. If 4th Div (3 Grades) doesn't get back up, many clubs are going to have nowhere to go.

Our job this year is to run a Halligan's game every weekend. We've got to maintain a stable player base of at least 50 players in order to get ready for the re-established 4th Div when it happens, or jump up to 3rd Div if its on offer.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Nice article from Growden, nearly bought a tear to my eye.

It looks like my old club is nearly gone and that doesn't make rugby better in Sydney.

The union and clubs must band together to save Two Blues from extinction
GREG GROWDEN
March 29, 2010

For decades, it has been the annual trip that every Sydney club player dreads. There are plenty of reasons why Granville Park is tagged ''Death Valley''. The glamour clubs would head down Parramatta Road, turn left into Woodville Road and prepare themselves for an almighty belting.

They would confront tough, grizzly men from the west, such as Peter Kay and Gregg ''Tiny'' Melrose, who loved nothing better than humiliating those toffs from the north and east with hard, uncompromising football. Cheeky halfbacks such as Glenn Goddard would provide the lip, while there was a touch of flair when Andrew Leeds, Mick Carter and Brad Selby were on song for the Two Blues.

The cars parked just outside the fence at the southern end of the ground would be full of impassioned Parramatta supporters, who just loved abusing the visitors. This was beanie territory and it wasn't pretty.

After the game, it didn't get much better. The icy-cold showers in the Granville Park visitors' dressing rooms were legendary.

And if you won, there was the added extra of inspirational Parramatta coach Paul Dalton, who took them to first-grade premierships in 1985-86, getting all theatrical in the other dressing room, kicking an Esky or two over as he explained the meaning of life in the most colourful of terms to his often-quivering players. After hearing this wave of invective, the winners were often as scared as the losers as they timidly headed to their vehicles in the hope of a quick exit to far safer territory.

Now Death Valley has taken on a different, more ominous meaning.

The future of the Parramatta Rugby Club is under serious threat, with the strong possibility that a lack of funds and a dramatic shortage in player numbers will result in their being cut from this year's Shute Shield competition, which starts in less than a fortnight. Parramatta have lost countless players to other clubs, are short of second-rowers and props, and may even struggle to field two grade teams this season. There have been problems securing grounds, while some clubs are concerned about the safety issues involved in playing weak opponents.

This has prompted calls from some club officials for Parramatta to ''take a break'', while there has even been behind-the-scenes discussions about a team from Canberra coming in to take the Two Blues' place in the Shute Shield. Parramatta's survival hinges on a meeting in Sydney tomorrow involving officials from Parramatta and the NSW and Australian rugby unions.

If Parramatta are axed, it will be a black day for NSW rugby. This is not just due to the club's historical importance, as it is one of Australian rugby's oldest clubs, founded in 1879, but also because at a time when rugby league and AFL are fighting for supremacy in the west, it would have an enormous impact on the other football code, as it would indicate that rugby has lost a crucial part of a growing area.

More importantly, it must not happen. No matter what, Parramatta must be propped up.

If the NSW Rugby Union wants to be treated seriously, it is imperative it has a presence in the geographical heart of Sydney and so any available funds should be headed Parramatta's way. It is such an obvious win-win public relations exercise.

For this to happen, it requires the other Sydney premiership clubs, including those who have pilfered Parramatta's talent, to forget self-interest, look at the broader picture, and be prepared to provide financial support to ensure one of their longstanding counterparts remain - to the extent of even diverting some of their annual grant towards Parramatta.

Clubs that only think of themselves will moan and groan about that, but as this is such an important rugby issue, it is not the time for insular thinking.
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
Whats the solution though? I am all for a strong two blues (and Emus for that matter) but how to make it happen?
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Unfortunately we need a bit of socialism, like the NRL salary cap, to ensure the wealth is spread a bit better.

Maybe sling a bit more cash to Tahs Academy & interstate players to play in the west and punish clubs poaching from them.

The strong clubs response to points cap highlights the challenge of the system.


Points system under fire

Graham Croker

NSW Rugby Union will face stiff opposition from some clubs if it attempts to introduce a player points system and reduce the number of teams each club fields for the 2009 First Division Club Championship.

Sydney University Football Club president, David Mortimer, told 840 guests at the 2008 Finals Luncheon that the Club would vigorously oppose the changes mooted by the NSWRU. Under the proposed premiership player points system, all players selected for first grade and second grade teams will be graded individually, taking into account the competitions in which they have played.

However, players who have played for their club for a number of years, or games, or have ancestry with a particular club, can have their points discounted so they can fit under a points cap, which is yet to be determined.

"Clubs will know that on the track at any one time you are only allowed so many points," NSWRU chief executive Jim L'Estrange said when the changes were proposed last week. "The [club] general managers have been determining those points over the last few weeks. “What they are trying to do is make sure there is a sustainable competition which is week-in, week-out a good competition through the grades."

The NSWRU board also agreed that the 2009 Tooheys New Shute Shield will remain as a 12-team competition made up of the same sides as this season and continue as a 22-round home-and-away series. However, under the NSWRU proposal, premiership clubs will no longer be required to field four grade teams and three Colts sides for the club championship, but only three grade sides and two Colts teams. Colts sides will play an 18-round season, as against the 22 rounds they played this year, and separate third grade and fourth grade competitions will be held but with no championship points on offer.

Mr Mortimer echoed the thoughts of former Wallaby and Randwick stalwart, Simon Poidevin, in roundly criticising the NSWRU proposals. Mr Poidevin told The Sydney Morning Herald last week that attempts by the NSWRU to restrict the ability of bigger clubs to recruit players “is up there with the most despicable and gutless decisions made by the NSWRU Board in the history of the game in the State of NSW”.

“Since when does any business or sport gravitate to the lowest common denominator to take that business or sport forward," Mr Poidevin said. “If they think it has been rubber-stamped, the fight has just begun.
Their total lack of judgment on the [defunct] ARC (Australian Rugby Championship) and the huge losses that sprayed out of that monstrosity … they still make the same decisions. "One of the great ironies is that the good clubs that were paying players big amounts of money recklessly are the clubs that want this new system because they have sent themselves broke making stupid decisions."

On the move to reduce the number of teams involved in the Club Championship, Mr Poidevin said NSWRU was diluting its product. "It's about time the NSWRU worked out that club rugby is a huge asset rather than being something which they throw around like a rag doll. The sooner the Australian Rugby Union takes control of club rugby in this country, the sooner we will have sensible decisions for the future of the game being made."

Mr Mortimer said he has often been told SUFC is “too strong” and “too successful”, but the criticism usually came from clubs that aren’t as successful. “It has been said we have an unfair advantage. Well, we do, but only because we work hard to attract young athletes and provide them with good coaches and programs. Go to Colts training nights and you might find Dan Vickerman, Al Kanaar, Trevor Woodman or Ross Reynolds assisting the coaches. “We have invested in quality coaching and sound administration. I give a commitment to our players and supporters that we’ll vigorously oppose these proposed changes.”

In other news, Mr Mortimer told the star-studded luncheon that SUFC has had another fabulous year, with six teams through to the finals. “First Grade were minor premiers, 12 points clear of the nearest opposition,” he said. “And the three Colts teams are minor premiers again. We’ve also won the Club Championship and the Colts Club Championship again.

“This season we have won a 5th Club Championship in a row. We’ve had seven wins and three seconds in the past 10 years. “The Colts have won a 4th Colts Club Championship in a row and the 7th in the past 10 years. “But statistics don’t tell how difficult the season has been. Firsts have played 23 matches without a break; there have been injuries to key players throughout the grades and that is why clubs need a depth of talent to succeed. “Of the 22 first graders involved in last year’s grand final, only six played last Saturday. Injuries, career choices or moves overseas accounted for the rest.”

Mr Mortimer said University clubs are different to others. “We need depth of talent to be competitive,” he said. “Contrary to some people’s beliefs, we don’t head-hunt players or purge other clubs. Our teams are loaded with athletes from our Colts program.”

The president ended on a positive note, offering best wishes to First XV captain Tim Davidson in securing a fourth successive title. “Tim Davidson is the most under-rated player in the country,” he said. “He has captained three consecutive premiership teams and, hopefully, he will make that a fourth.”
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
I think thats right FP. Many (possibly all) successful sports have some sort of talent/success equalisation mechanism. One I like best is major league baseball in the US. They have a draft plus teams that spend more than their salary cap each year pay additional "tax" which goes straight to the weakest teams. Hence rich teams can "buy" short term success if they wish but the cost is that their competitors will be stronger in the longer term.

I think the best short term answer is to dramatically reduce the number of grades in premier rugby to more evenly distribute talent. But that won't be enough in the longer term and the NSWRU has to make some significant structural changes so that subbies rugby becomes a feeder for premier rugby and doesn't compete for players as it does now. This requires change to the promotion/relegation system currently used by subbies as most teams are either fighting for surivial or fighting for promoition each year.

My old club was in walking distrance from Eastwood and yet they never did anything to help us and vice versa. The only interaction we ever had was that every now and then one of our good players would disappear up the road never to be seen again. I really should be a woodies fan given I spent all of my formative rugby years in the area but I'm not. This isn't to pick on the woodies, I think you could say the same amount all other premier clubs as well.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
In a positive move, Dundas Valley (a former strong club) have moved up to 5th Division this year about being in 6th for quite a while. They should be applauded. It shits me that teams like Maccabi and Savers can dominate 6th Div year in, year out, but never get pushed to improve their numbers despite having money and support. Clubs who put the yards in aren't rewarded.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
Poidevin is a knob. Club rugby is about growing players not clubs.
I'm sure it would be a great comp if we just had Randwick V Uni everyweek. There's not enough clubs as it is.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Dundas Valley may now not be in 5th Div. Playing an annual fixture they have for the Graham Ward Memorial Shield against the collective dickheads from Oakhill, a brawl broke out, and a Vikings player got sent off. He went off, changed jumpers, then started another brawl apparently :) In any case, Burraneer may now step up.

Still, there is movement:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...s-to-save-code-in-the-west-20100329-r8dh.html

Parramatta's bid to remain in the Shute Shield competition has won the support of at least four Sydney clubs who insist the ailing Two Blues must be saved to ensure rugby does not disappear in the western suburbs.

On the eve of today's meeting involving Parramatta, NSW and Australian Rugby Union officials - which will determine whether the Two Blues remain in the Shute Shield - Randwick, Sydney University, Gordon and Eastern Suburbs officials rallied behind the ailing club.

They said the recently reformed Sydney Rugby Union, which will take over the running of the Shute Shield from the NSWRU next season, would focus on ensuring Parramatta, which is struggling to be competitive because of a lack of players, becomes a force again. It would include funding where possible and encourage players who are struggling to play first grade elsewhere to transfer to Parramatta.

Easts president Steve Bartrop said he understood ''virtually all the clubs desperately want to help Parramatta''.

''We want them in the competition, because that part of Sydney is very important for the game,'' Bartrop said. ''You don't want club rugby situated around the CBD, the eastern suburbs and the north shore. There should be a definite plan … to get [Parramatta] back to full strength. To do that, we need the orchestration of the ARU, and [the involvement of] Sydney Rugby Union.

''The thrust of [the SRU] is to lift the profile and the performance level of the premiership competition, so it is a proper third tier for the code. An integral part of that has to be Parramatta and the west.''

Randwick president Michael Jorgensen said the Galloping Greens ''would be devastated if Parramatta had to exit the competition''.

''Randwick is very supportive of Parramatta, because they have been a great competitor of ours for many, many years,'' Jorgensen said. ''It would be a very short-sighted position not to support Parramatta, and instead bring in a team from Canberra. We need to have a foothold in the largest growing part of Sydney.''

Gordon president Graham Boyle backed Jorgensen's sentiments, saying it was ''imperative rugby has a strong presence'' in Sydney's west.

''If you cut that supply off, you could have a major problem on your hands,'' Boyle said.

Sydney University president David Mortimer, whose club was under serious threat of relegation in 1997 but has since emerged as Sydney's strongest team, said he hoped that Parramatta again became strong.

''Often when these things happen, it is the best time for a club … it gives them the chance to reassess what they've been doing wrong, and … fix it,'' Mortimer said. ''We went down the ladder and came back. You have to approach it as a challenge.''

Parramatta head coach and former Wallabies prop Mark Hartill was enthused by the other clubs' support.

''Our numbers are reasonable, we have a good junior base, but certainly when you lose quite a few of your first graders from the previous year it makes it tough,'' Hartill said.

''At Parramatta there are certainly opportunities for people who are unhappy playing second grade [elsewhere]. They should give me a call. We do need players with very good second grade or first grade experience, or kids who are in academies.''
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
NTA said:
Dundas Valley may now not be in 5th Div. Playing an annual fixture they have for the Graham Ward Memorial Shield against the collective dickheads from Oakhill, a brawl broke out, and a Vikings player got sent off. He went off, changed jumpers, then started another brawl apparently :) In any case, Burraneer may now step up.

Still, there is movement:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...s-to-save-code-in-the-west-20100329-r8dh.html

Parramatta's bid to remain in the Shute Shield competition has won the support of at least four Sydney clubs who insist the ailing Two Blues must be saved to ensure rugby does not disappear in the western suburbs.

On the eve of today's meeting involving Parramatta, NSW and Australian Rugby Union officials - which will determine whether the Two Blues remain in the Shute Shield - Randwick, Sydney University, Gordon and Eastern Suburbs officials rallied behind the ailing club.

They said the recently reformed Sydney Rugby Union, which will take over the running of the Shute Shield from the NSWRU next season, would focus on ensuring Parramatta, which is struggling to be competitive because of a lack of players, becomes a force again. It would include funding where possible and encourage players who are struggling to play first grade elsewhere to transfer to Parramatta.

Easts president Steve Bartrop said he understood ''virtually all the clubs desperately want to help Parramatta''.

''We want them in the competition, because that part of Sydney is very important for the game,'' Bartrop said. ''You don't want club rugby situated around the CBD, the eastern suburbs and the north shore. There should be a definite plan … to get [Parramatta] back to full strength. To do that, we need the orchestration of the ARU, and [the involvement of] Sydney Rugby Union.

''The thrust of [the SRU] is to lift the profile and the performance level of the premiership competition, so it is a proper third tier for the code. An integral part of that has to be Parramatta and the west.''

Randwick president Michael Jorgensen said the Galloping Greens ''would be devastated if Parramatta had to exit the competition''.

''Randwick is very supportive of Parramatta, because they have been a great competitor of ours for many, many years,'' Jorgensen said. ''It would be a very short-sighted position not to support Parramatta, and instead bring in a team from Canberra. We need to have a foothold in the largest growing part of Sydney.''

Gordon president Graham Boyle backed Jorgensen's sentiments, saying it was ''imperative rugby has a strong presence'' in Sydney's west.

''If you cut that supply off, you could have a major problem on your hands,'' Boyle said.

Sydney University president David Mortimer, whose club was under serious threat of relegation in 1997 but has since emerged as Sydney's strongest team, said he hoped that Parramatta again became strong.

''Often when these things happen, it is the best time for a club … it gives them the chance to reassess what they've been doing wrong, and … fix it,'' Mortimer said. ''We went down the ladder and came back. You have to approach it as a challenge.''

Parramatta head coach and former Wallabies prop Mark Hartill was enthused by the other clubs' support.

''Our numbers are reasonable, we have a good junior base, but certainly when you lose quite a few of your first graders from the previous year it makes it tough,'' Hartill said.

''At Parramatta there are certainly opportunities for people who are unhappy playing second grade [elsewhere]. They should give me a call. We do need players with very good second grade or first grade experience, or kids who are in academies.''


Easy NTA. I played in that game (for Oakhill)
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
I would join up for parramatta, but im afraid im nowhere near fit enough forany division since ive been out of playing for a year and a half now, and even then i wasnt the greatest being in the gentlemens team and all....
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
TPN: the spirit of rugby

Tatafu pledges to stay a true blue Two Blue
RUPERT GUINNESS
March 31, 2010

Tatafu Polota-Nau may be a Wallabies and Waratahs superstar but he is never too proud to play for his beloved Parramatta - even when they are destined for another thrashing.

His passion for the Two Blues, who were yesterday given a lifeline to remain in the Shute Shield competition which starts next week, is every bit as strong as it is for the Australian and NSW sides.

And the club highly values Polota-Nau, not only as a player who can only occasionally slip away from professional duties to play for them, but also as a member of the ailing club's board.

Yesterday, after training with the Waratahs ahead of Saturday's Super 14 clash against the Cheetahs, his love of Parramatta remained as strong as ever - crisis or not.

''If it has to go to a point where we go back to subbies [suburban rugby], bring it on,'' he said.

Polota-Nau's most recent match for the Two Blues ended in a 73-0 defeat to Eastern Suburbs in the final round of last year but the result did little to diminish his affection for the club.

''I love it,'' he said. ''I love challenges. At the end of the day, it's a game of rugby. You want to play it to your best but if you don't have the cattle to do it, it is results like that you will be looking forward to. You just have to remind the guys of that.''

Still grinning, he added: ''You come here to play, enjoy and smash the living hell out of these punks.''

But Polota-Nau realises that the problem for Parramatta is getting enough first-grade players to embrace that challenge - and do so week after week when he returns to representative rugby.

Not that Polota-Nau, 25, has been shirking his responsibilities. He has attended a number of Two Blues training sessions during their Shute Shield preparations and he is also deeply committed to doing all he can to get numbers back on the paddock and help re-build the club.

''There are some guys still turning up [for training], which is great,'' Polota-Nau said.

''I urge them at training to step up in a leadership way, to get out among their peers and ask what their intention of playing rugby is: whether it is to pursue a future in it or just to have fun with the guys. The fun of it is sort of the best of it. Hopefully we can bring that back into 'Parra'.[But] it's a long way off, so we have to make sure we can get those structures right.''

As Polota-Nau spoke, officials from the club were about to meet NSW Rugby Union officials to attempt to keep the player- and cash-strapped side in the Sydney club competition. He knew his club's fate still hung in the balance.

Whatever would be Parramatta's fate, Polota-Nau pledged he would remain a member, saying his loyalty would not be tested if the ''short-term'' proposal to ensure the Two Blues remain in this year's competition was passed, as expected, at a meeting of the Sydney club presidents tonight.

But there is no doubting Polota-Nau's conviction that the club needs to be in the Shute Shield.

''[It's] not just for my club but rugby in general,'' he said. ''It would be a shame to see rugby go away from the west because even guys [who] still play league were willing to play union.

''If we can focus not just on the west but also on north- and south-west, there is huge potential.''

He also said he understood how and why players from western Sydney were lured by wealthy clubs in the east.

''Guys are always looking to the financial side first of all. But I think our loyalty has gone out the window these days, so it was very hard to find [players] and train [them],'' he said.

you have to applaud the guy, he has true rugby spirit and real loyalty to both rugby and parramatta, a great ambassador for the game.
 
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TOCC

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Re: TPN: the spirit of rugby

Whilst this might look grim on the surface, potentially i think its actually the best thing that could happen at the moment, the ARU and NSWRU really needed to wake up and realise that Western Sydney is become a extremely competitive battle ground with NRL and the AFL.

This sort of issue is exactly whats needed to get people to sit up and realise that action needed to be taken, It might take a few years, but i think if carefully managed by NSWRU and a little assistance from NSWRU, Parramatta could become a strong club once again.

Parramatta have been handed a lifeline to remain in the Shute Shield competition after club officials and the NSW and Australian rugby unions yesterday brokered a ''short-term'' salvage plan.

The plan still needs to be assessed by the club's board today and will require ratification at a meeting of all the Sydney club presidents tonight. But with Randwick, Sydney University, Gordon and Eastern Suburbs having publicly supported Parramatta's continuation in the Shute Shield, the signs are positive the proposal will be endorsed.

The package involves a cash component and other assistance, such as the possible release of footballers from other clubs to bolster the Two Blues' playing stocks. Only 20 players attended last night's training session at Granville Park.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...-out-foundering-parramatta-20100330-rbjh.html
 
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CanadianRugby

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mark_s said:
I think thats right FP. Many (possibly all) successful sports have some sort of talent/success equalisation mechanism. One I like best is major league baseball in the US. They have a draft plus teams that spend more than their salary cap each year pay additional "tax" which goes straight to the weakest teams. Hence rich teams can "buy" short term success if they wish but the cost is that their competitors will be stronger in the longer term.

While it was a nice theory Mark, this system doesn't actually do much to equalize baseball in the US. The rich teams still outbid the poor teams for the best talent, with few expections. However, this is mostly a problem because the owners of the poor teams, who usually have enough money of their own to spend plenty if they felt like it, just pocket the extra cash instead of spending on the players. My complete lack of knowledge about the Sydeny Club scene prevents me from saying if this would still be true in that context, but it definately doesn't work in baseball.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
OK, but what about American Football? In the most deregulated economy in the world, the number one sport is about the most regulated sport in the world. I find it amusing and ironic, but the point is, that the NFL have serious measures in place to share the talent around. Even the NRL does a lot better than rugby at this.

In short, the NSWRU needs to get involved in (1) getting new players (2) redistribution (or, if you prefer, undoing the current redistribution towards certain clubs).
 
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CanadianRugby

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NFL definately does it well. There are some issues people have with it, but they are kinda weak (things like "it prevents great teams, moves their favorite players around too much). But you are right Scarf, the NFL makes sure that if you are decent at player evaluation, you can build a good team and win, resources doesn't have much to do with it.

But the NFL has the following things:
A draft
Way more available players than teams (You have 119 American football college teams and 32 NFL teams)
A very weak players Union.
Its the ONLY place players of that callibre are going to play.

Again, I know nothing about the Sydney club scene, so I don't know how it translate. Someone tell me because I'm curious. I'm just trying to fit my club scene (two seniors teams, 1 junior team per club) into the Sydney comp. Needless to say I think they are pretty different.

Can you do a draft for Shute Shield?
 
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