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Melbourne Rebels 2024

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
This misunderstands the role VRU and MRRU have with RA. They are not-sub to them, it's the other way around. They were voting members of RA and get a say at AGMs and EGMs. They can vote to remove the RA board or chair - RA represents their members

RA has no say in how VRU or MRRU is run


And this seems to circle back around to the topic of centralisation, and why it's important for RA to have more oversight on these teams...

It also raises the question did the Rebels not jump aboard with centralisation last year to avoid revealing their troubles to RA earlier?
 

stoff

Trevor Allan (34)
And this seems to circle back around to the topic of centralisation, and why it's important for RA to have more oversight on these teams...

It also raises the question did the Rebels not jump aboard with centralisation last year to avoid revealing their troubles to RA earlier?
Unsurprisingly the Rebels were right on board with centralisation. It was RA who backed off.
 

stoff

Trevor Allan (34)
I would love to know how you accumulate an $11,000,000 debt to the tax office without hell being unleashed by them
They are the biggest funder of Australian business - by all reports at SME level moreso than the big four banks.
 

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
And this seems to circle back around to the topic of centralisation, and why it's important for RA to have more oversight on these teams...

It also raises the question did the Rebels not jump aboard with centralisation last year to avoid revealing their troubles to RA earlier?
The rumours were that the Rebels were pretty keen on centralisation, for obvious reasons.

The administrator stated this meeting happened in October 2023. I suspect that influenced RA's decision-making around who to centralise.
On 23 October 2023, a meeting took place between the Company and RA’s advisor, Deloitte, in which the Company’s financial situation was discussed.

The Tahs announced the centralisation in Nov 2023.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
Unsurprisingly the Rebels were right on board with centralisation. It was RA who backed off.

this is what stings the most. Centralisation was suppose to help pool resources & hopefully prevent minimise things like this happening.

I personally dont think there’s any quality leadership at RA. Need to clean the board… AGAIN!!!
 

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
this is what stings the most. Centralisation was suppose to help pool resources & hopefully prevent minimise things like this happening.

I personally dont think there’s any quality leadership at RA. Need to clean the board… AGAIN!!!

RA centralising the Rebels in late 2023 would have been a farcical decision
NSW Rugby Union has become the first Member Union in Australia to formally commit to Rugby Australia's plan for centralisation as part of the game's strategic reset. This will see RA take responsibility for the Waratahs' high-performance operations, assets, liabilities, and commercial arrangements.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
this is what stings the most. Centralisation was suppose to help pool resources & hopefully prevent minimise things like this happening.

I personally dont think there’s any quality leadership at RA. Need to clean the board… AGAIN!!!
The previous clean out began at the end of November last year, after RA had backed away from centralising the Rebels. For centralisation to save the Rebels here it would likely have needed to happen at or before the beginning of COVID. It arguably should've happened back when the Force were cut, but trust was at an all time low.
 
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SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
The previous clean out began at the end of November last year, after RA had backed away from centralising the Rebels. For it to save the Rebels here it would likely have needed to happen at or before the beginning of COVID. It arguably should've happened back when the Force were cut, but trust was at an all time low.

I was fully on board with last November clean out.

but when we landed on Herbert as our new chairman… I personally wanted McLennan back.

I guess logic of this all is we gotta stick with these losers for a little more while. If we did another board clean out it wouldn’t look good for any future board appointments because why would you want to sign up to this circus
 
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Peter Johnson (47)
I do not agree that RA is responsible for this debacle. The Rebels had a bunch of supposedly business capable directors who gave their coaching staff a free run to go on a spending spree when the club was essentially insolvent. The rest of these arguments seem limited to me.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I reckon the RA's preference was to get rid of the Rebels back in 2017 following years of bleeding money and propping them up with loans they were never going to recoup, as well as the lack of the team's on field success, but unfortunately it would be the Force that went following some last minute legal maneuvering by the Rebels.

I'm not a supporter of the shrinking to greatness mantra, and as a Melbourne based rugby supporter not too happy we don't have a team down here now, but in hindsight it probably would've been the best for both the Rebels and Australian rugby if this had happened a lot sooner.

Here's some grim reading from back then:



Before the Rebels had even kicked a ball, the ARU agreed to extend them a ten-year, interest-bearing loan of $2.6million. The facility was available for draw down at $1.3million per year for 2011 and 2012.

In 2013, the ARU extended a new loan facility to the Rebels of $3million for the next 12 months.

In 2014, the ARU extended another new loan facility to the Rebels of “up to” $2.5million.

As at 31 December 2014, the ARU financial statements showed some $8.75million in outstanding loans owed to it by the Rebels.

In 2015, the ARU extended yet another loan facility to the Rebels for use in 2015. This time the amount was $4,268,000.

But it isn’t until we get to mid-2015 that things get really jaw-dropping.

On 1 July 2015, a new private investor took ownership of the Rebels. Note 23ii to the ARU’s accounts for 2015 states,

The [ARU’s] control over Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Ltd (“MRRU”)was relinquished on 30th June 2015 pursuant to a sale and purchase agreement….. No consideration was paid to [the ARU] as part of this agreement. As part of the sale and purchase agreement, [the ARU] forgave its loans to the MRRU as set out in Note 18 [and cleared them from the balance sheet].”
The loans set out in “Note 18” consisted of the $8.75million shown in the ARU’s 2014 accounts, PLUS the $4,268,000 the Rebels had received in 2015.

So, when the Rebels went back into private ownership on 1 July 2015, the ARU kissed goodbye to $13,018,000 as part of the deal. Not only that, it threw in another $2.6million in “special funding” for 2016.

That meant that even without the cost to the ARU of having to run the Rebels for the two years they were between owners, the ARU has so far shelled out $15.6million in (presumably) unbudgeted expenditure as a consequence of awarding the 5th SuperRugby licence.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
Why? and what has the impact been since his appointment...Genuine question.

McLennan was a lose cannon. Was shooting from the hip, poking the RL bear etc but he did have some commercial interest value in that he would navigate us to our next tv deal.
 

Wallaby Man

Nev Cottrell (35)
What I have learnt over the last 15yr is it’s the systems and structure in place across the states and national body that’s the issue and not the head of the snake. From O’Neil, to Pulver, to Castle, to McClennan they can’t all be clowns. But they all look like one at the end of their time in charge.

Hamish was actually superb in his first few years and did a lot of the heavy lifting with mass cuts at head office during Covid etc. he did have a personality that grated some people but ultimately like all before him he lost his spot because the guys on the field just were not good enough. The current group is probably receive the same end as the others as the quality on the field just isn’t good enough and it’s not something they can actually impact.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
What I have learnt over the last 15yr is it’s the systems and structure in place across the states and national body that’s the issue and not the head of the snake. From O’Neil, to Pulver, to Castle, to McClennan they can’t all be clowns. But they all look like one at the end of their time in charge.

Hamish was actually superb in his first few years and did a lot of the heavy lifting with mass cuts at head office during Covid etc. he did have a personality that grated some people but ultimately like all before him he lost his spot because the guys on the field just were not good enough. The current group is probably receive the same end as the others as the quality on the field just isn’t good enough and it’s not something they can actually impact.


Nah, in McLennan's case he was the master of his own demise...
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)


My kingdom for all 7 of these dipshits together in one MS-Paintable photo...
Dismal's kingdom:
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Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
I do not agree that RA is responsible for this debacle. The Rebels had a bunch of supposedly business capable directors who gave their coaching staff a free run to go on a spending spree when the club was essentially insolvent. The rest of these arguments seem limited to me.
What were they meant to do not field a side…..
 
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