Yes, they will argue that. But the idea that broadcast value is created by Rebels v Dunedin playing in front of no one in Tarneit is also fanciful thinking. The drop in value to Ch9 is principally the number of ppl who drop the Stan sub if the Rebels fold (I dont know what that number is). There is a cost, but there is also an assured cost saving, and a revenue upside opportunity for broadcaster if the other teams perform better (which occurred - albeit off a low base - the last time we went to 4).
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stoff
Trevor Allan (34)
But they also don’t need to accept it either. Likely a substantial breach of contract and renegotiate if they see they can make money with an entity with very few options and a trashed wallaby brand post World Cup.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
For a final year of a television deal that is almost entirely about the lions tour? It's in neither parties interest to play hardball.
stoff
Trevor Allan (34)
It’s in RA’s to play nice though - fool me once etc
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Stan won't be tearing up or penalising any deal with rugby; Stan Sport and Rugby Australia are in a codependent relationship at the moment.
Nine cant cut rugby without writing off Stan Sport, which would mark a significant shift away from the strategic visions that Nine has been pushing the last 4 years in terms of evolving the business model away from Terrestrial to SVOD/BVOD services. Also of note is the fact that the current CEO of Nine is Mike Sneesby, he was head of Stan and instrumental in the establishment of Stan Sport and signing rugby.
Nine cant cut rugby without writing off Stan Sport, which would mark a significant shift away from the strategic visions that Nine has been pushing the last 4 years in terms of evolving the business model away from Terrestrial to SVOD/BVOD services. Also of note is the fact that the current CEO of Nine is Mike Sneesby, he was head of Stan and instrumental in the establishment of Stan Sport and signing rugby.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
I recall a time when the same thing was said about Foxtel and Rugby.
Stan and rugby maybe somewhat co-dependent but the issue the game has is where does any growth in value come from, Stan pretty much has any rugby supporter signed up, and the game isn't exactly in what you would describe a healthy state.
Where does that extra value come from, where are those new subscribers gonna come from. The game does not have a domestic product in Australia to drive that growth.
No broadcast deal and xyz sport is dead is surely universal. TV rights are a central pillar of professional sports revenue the world over.
They also know it's a double-edged sword. The success of their investment in Stan Sport and rugby in general is pretty dependent on Australian rugby not being awful. While I agree they're the more powerful player in negotiations they also know that there is a direct correlation between how much they pay for those broadcast rights and the quality of the product they have to broadcast.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
I think you underestimate the damage it would do to nine/Stan's long term sports plans to lose Rugby overnight, particularly if it went cheaply to fox (the likely outcome from hardball renegotiation). Rugby is very much in their current and future plans and it's not actually worth it for them squeezing the game for much money in 2025 if it means they either lose the broadcast or cripple the sport.
Yes there would be renegotiation if the rebels were lost, but given the way value has been assigned in the past and the intent from super rugby to make up the content shortfall it's unlikely the drop in revenue would be as much as the rebels annual grant.
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Bob Loudon (25)
I think Wilson is spot on.
My two cents worth on the broadcaster situation.
With so many streaming platforms now out there I assume the retention of subscribers becomes as important if not more important than new subscribers due to market saturation.
The work Stan is doing in expanding the rugby content through Super W, Sevens, Premiership Rugby, W 6 nations, Super Aupiki, Club rugby et al, will possibly ensure that they retain more than they lose if Rebels fall away, and may even attract a couple of new subscribers to soften the blow of what they lose if the Rebels fall away.
I do not think the argument for them would be about the amount of content Super Rugby provides but rather the loss of "Rebels" subscribers for want of a better phrase, against what they pick up with what you would assume would be cheaper cost options mentioned above.
Drew
Bob Davidson (42)
How do Rebs fans feel about the reported bailout?
www.espn.com.au
Rebels handed shock private equity lifeline
The Melbourne Rebels has reportedly been handed an 11th hour lifeline with a private equity-backed consortium preparing to aim funds and save the bankrupt club.
www.espn.com.au
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Have you been under a rock Drew?
Drew
Bob Davidson (42)
Possibly. I only saw this yesterday and tried to scroll through the comments here to see what the fans thought, but it was all about Stan and broadcast deals. Sorry
EDIT: it popped up on fb yesterday, I didn’t see it was published on the 3rd. We were moving house around then.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Drew
Bob Davidson (42)
I apologise to you for apologising to them
Scooter
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Congratulations to Carter Gordon who has moved to equal 6th on Rebels points scorers list with Mike Harris on 133 points.
Last night Gordon moved past Danny Cipriani 122 points, Quade Cooper 116 points and Marika Koroibete 115 points.
Gordon has also joined Dane Haylett-Petty in equal 9th on Rebels try scorers list with 12 tries. Passing Billy Meakes on 11 tries.
Last night Gordon moved past Danny Cipriani 122 points, Quade Cooper 116 points and Marika Koroibete 115 points.
Gordon has also joined Dane Haylett-Petty in equal 9th on Rebels try scorers list with 12 tries. Passing Billy Meakes on 11 tries.
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Charlie Fox (21)
I have to admit I missed it as well and was wondering about all the references to Tarneit.