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Matt Giteau

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Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
I wasn't sure if that reaction was a 'thanks for Bloemfontein' or a 'About bloody time, Gits is having a shocker'.

I think it's more interesting than that. KB (Kurtley Beale) is becoming a real crowd pleaser. People see a potentially world-class player with some real charisma about him. Who wouldn't want to cheer? If he keeps this up they'll be chanting "Gilbert, Gilbert."
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Matt Giteau to remain Wallabies first-choice goal kicker
By Ed Jackson
September 12, 2010
The Wallabies are set to stick with Matt Giteau as first-choice goal kicker despite his costly inaccuracy in Saturday's one-point loss the All Blacks in Sydney.

Giteau missed two conversions and two penalty attempts in the 23-22 defeat at ANZ Stadium as the Wallabies' losing streak against New Zealand was stretched to a record 10 matches.

It's not the first time a poor kicking display by Giteau has cost the Wallabies.

This year's Test defeat to England at the same venue featured a couple of costly misses, while last year's loss to Scotland at Murrayfield was blighted by missed points-scoring opportunities.

Giteau's disappointing form would not have been an issue had the Wallabies not suffered another trademark second-half fadeout to lose from 22-9 up with 20 minutes to go.

"There's no doubt going forward Matt will still be the No.1 kicker in the team and he's earned the right to be the No.1 kicker in the team," said assistant coach Richard Graham.

He said Giteau's quality as a goal kicker was well proven.

"Matt kicked at 84 per cent during Super rugby," Graham said.

"Whilst some of his kicking throughout the Test season probably hasn't been as consistent as he'd liked to have seen it or we'd like to have seen it ... the guy can goal-kick.

"There's obviously a flaw in his kicking that in situations becomes apparent and doesn't allow him to be as consistent as he wants to be but in terms of what that flaw is I couldn't tell you."

Wallabies coach Robbie Deans refused to speculate on Giteau and his goal-kicking status in the team, instead focusing on his team's challenge to end their domination by the All Blacks.

Despite a marked improvement from this year's first Bledisloe Cup Test in Melbourne to Saturday's narrow loss, Deans refused to settle for near enough being good enough.

"It's evident that the group is progressing. But the All Blacks are still the benchmark," he said.

"The step's not enormous but it is going to take an effort. We've just got to keep going, it's that simple. You don't become No.1 in the world without an effort.

"You can't package it, no matter which way you look at it, we're disappointed. We came to win, we're prepared to win and we didn't win.

"You've got to give the All Blacks credit for what they've achieved, what they've done in recent times.

"They're playing good rugby, they're the best side in the world but we're not resigned to that. We'll just keep working on our own game, working on what we bring to the game."

Deans said the most pleasing aspect from his team's Tri Nations campaign was the development of a squad he feels has the depth to carry the team into next year's Rugby World Cup.

"There are any number of players who are integral, the good thing is the number who have integrated into our team," he said.

"I take great heart from that, not the fact that we're closer on the scoreboard."

The Wallabies will now enjoy a short break before an initial squad for next month's fourth Bledisloe Test in Hong Kong and the end-of-year European tour is selected in early October.


AAP

The sooner Richard Graham goes, the better.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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So Peanut Graham says this...
""Whilst some of his kicking throughout the Test season probably hasn't been as consistent as he'd liked to have seen it or we'd like to have seen it ... the guy can goal-kick.
"There's obviously a flaw in his kicking that in situations becomes apparent and doesn't allow him to be as consistent as he wants to be but in terms of what that flaw is I couldn't tell you."
True genius.
He can kick, but there is a flaw (it's obvious, apparently), which leads to inconsistency, but yet this still means he can kick and has earned the right to miss the crucial goals. But he really couldn't say what the flaw is, apart from the fact it is there, obviously.
Remind me again what he does, and why the Force want him to be in charge of doing it next year???
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
So Peanut Graham says this...
""Whilst some of his kicking throughout the Test season probably hasn't been as consistent as he'd liked to have seen it or we'd like to have seen it ... the guy can goal-kick.
"There's obviously a flaw in his kicking that in situations becomes apparent and doesn't allow him to be as consistent as he wants to be but in terms of what that flaw is I couldn't tell you."
True genius.
He can kick, but there is a flaw (it's obvious, apparently), which leads to inconsistency, but yet this still means he can kick and has earned the right to miss the crucial goals. But he really couldn't say what the flaw is, apart from the fact it is there, obviously.
Remind me again what he does, and why the Force want him to be in charge of doing it next year???

This man is a "Skills Coach" but can't identify what the flaw in the technique is? Just listen to the analysis of Lynagh or Matt Burke on Giteau's style and they will tell you.

As for quoting the S14 kicking stats, I posted last night that this is misleading as the proof is there over the last three seasons that Giteau cannot handle pressure and as Graham admits himself when the pressure is on that "flaw" comes out. Yes by all means continue as you have been, your audience is dwindling by the game.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
As for quoting the S14 kicking stats, I posted last night that this is misleading as the proof is there over the last three seasons that Giteau cannot handle pressure and as Graham admits himself when the pressure is on that "flaw" comes out. Yes by all means continue as you have been, your audience is dwindling by the game.

Agreed. Giteau is an elite choke artist. I never feel confident when he's lining up a tough kick.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
His flaw must be mental as much as anything. If he can kick 84% in S14, but chokes in test matches, it is because he loses his cool and his focus on process. A very bad flaw for a player of his experience, that should be leading from the front.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
His flaw must be mental as much as anything. If he can kick 84% in S14, but chokes in test matches, it is because he loses his cool and his focus on process. A very bad flaw for a player of his experience, that should be leading from the front.

Kafe spoke about his technique and said he leans back just before contact and this hooks the ball plus reduces his power. Sure enough when Giteau misses 90% of the time he hooks it.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Kafe spoke about his technique and said he leans back just before contact and this hooks the ball plus reduces his power. Sure enough when Giteau misses 90% of the time he hooks it.

The England miss was a push (ie went to the left). In saying that pushes and hooks go together, the difference is whether he squares the foot to the ball and rotates though (hook) or hit it from too far inside (push)
 
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Paradox

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Long time lurker etc. Giteau had a very strong match and kicked well in SA. We wouldn't have won the game last week has his kicking been astray. He shouldn't be allowed to kick on the right side though.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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If we'd won the Scotland, Pommy and yesterdays match over the last year, just think of how different Dingos near-term record would be looking.

No matter what the stats look like between now and then, would you be depending on him to boot the winning goal at the WC?
 
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rhyso

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No matter what the stats look like between now and then, would you be depending on him to boot the winning goal at the WC?

Please God No. Nor would I count on him finding a way to score the winning try.

I'd like to see Beale tried as first-choice kicker for the EOYT.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
Agreed. Kurtley's confidence is sky-high right now. It would be a good time to try that change.

Giteau needs a rest. No EOYT, please.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Please God No. Nor would I count on him finding a way to score the winning try.

I'd like to see Beale tried as first-choice kicker for the EOYT.

I'd like to see Beale as first choice kicker for the Tahs, but I doubt it will happen.
 

MrTimms

Ken Catchpole (46)
The problem with Git's and his kicking is every time he kicks we ask good side or bad side, name one other first choice kicker for a top rugby nation you ask that for?

Fact is, he shouldn't be first choice.

Another interesting thing is during the presser he was asked in Bram has been helping at all? he answered that he has been helping Kurtley, but not him. Why the fuck not, shouldn't the teams kicking coach be helping them all? Is gits above that?
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Didn't he miss his kicks from a left footers supposed good side though?

Gits seems to only work with Ben Perkins?
 

MrTimms

Ken Catchpole (46)
yeah, but my point is he should have no worries at all, whatever side.

And surely we (robbie) can say, as his boss "work with him (bram), and be happy about it, or no more kicking for you. What's that? you don't want to? enjoy the bench then."
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Richard Graham said:
"There's obviously a flaw in his kicking that in situations becomes apparent and doesn't allow him to be as consistent as he wants to be but in terms of what that flaw is I couldn't tell you."
Why is our skills coach weighing in on Giteau's kicking? Surely this is something our kicking coach may be interested in?
 

Scott Allen

Trevor Allan (34)
The England miss was a push (ie went to the left). In saying that pushes and hooks go together, the difference is whether he squares the foot to the ball and rotates though (hook) or hit it from too far inside (push)

Agreed Scotty

"Kafe spoke about his technique and said he leans back just before contact and this hooks the ball plus reduces his power."

I looked at his technique in the Matt Giteau Kicking Analysis videos a couple of months ago and that's exactly the flaw that causes these problems.

Given the flaw keeps turning up when it's a pressure situation, I don't think the Wallabies can risk relying on him as the goal kicker.

No matter how much practice he does over the next twelve months, thoughts of the crucial misses over the last twelve months will most likely surface every time he stands over another important kick.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Which is why I say it is more of a mental issue, rather than technical. It is just that the technical flaw comes out as a result of mental pressure.
 
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