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Jason Little (69)
I agree totally. But the only time I thought Gits was good at 12 was when Larkham played 10. And he could make anyone look good at 12.
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I agree totally. But the only time I thought Gits was good at 12 was when Larkham played 10. And he could make anyone look good at 12.
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Herbert Moran (7)
Giteau was sweetly efficient and occasionally terrific again today as Toulon walloped Saracens. He's certain "up to the highest level". He's actually consistently one of the best at that level. I'm pretty sure every Test team in the world would consider a contest against a team of the calibre of Toulon as top shelf. Giteau's absence from the Wallabies, for whatever reason, is a bit of a rugby tragedy.
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In that Toulon team, I'd back Sam Norton-Knight to look consistently pretty good.
When the pressure is on, that's when they separate the wheat from the chaff.
When the pressure is on, that's when they separate the wheat from the chaff.
Jonny Wilkinson, who's probably as good a judge as anyone, reckons Giteau is pretty bloody good.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...go-wilkinson-lauds-giteau-20140525-zrnhn.html
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...go-wilkinson-lauds-giteau-20140525-zrnhn.html
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Tony Shaw (54)
We all remember Gits' great skills, and yet too the the later career stage crabbing and erratic kicking that was problematic for any Wallaby back line.
But the real sadness (and loss to the Wallabies) was Deans' now-notorious obstinacy and vanity: he did not like Gits' independence of opinion and his willingness to voice it when contrary to his own, a fault that many have recounted re Deans, and a very destructive one within a Test environment.
I am convinced Gits would have improved and quite likely flourished under Link, similarly to the manner in which QC (Quade Cooper) has.
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Herbert Moran (7)
So Giteau is a fine player in a fine team. This is not such a bad thing. And I think he's proved himself pretty well in all circumstances. He was less than his best early in the Deans era, no doubt, but he'd previously hauled the crap Force around on his shoulders and been bounced around positionally for the Wabs and Brumbies... not saying they should beg him to come back, but if you watch any Top 14 you'd know he is consistently fine (often at 10). It's unfortunate he isn't leading a Super Rugby team around. On form, I'd suggest he'd be a certainty for the Wallaby bench and a fine choice as a 12 in the first XV. Giteau v Lealiifano. v McCabe? Maybe To'omua has his measure at the moment, but not if he continues his current SA form. He's certainly not as complete a player as Giteau. Reckon he'd tell you that too.
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David Codey (61)
Lealifanio Moore To'omua and others were part of 2011 team..Yeah - bring back Gits. I have fond memories of 2011 at both the Brumbies and the Wallabies.
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David Codey (61)
What a joke .. you compare Sam Norton-Knight to Gits... Gits hasnt look good his looked the best in the NH. You can take SNK ill keep Gits..
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Clearly you've completely missed my point. Which was, with basically a team of top quality internationals around you in a club comp, even a decent player will look pretty good and that it's not necessarily an indication of what we could expect.
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David Codey (61)
Look I get what you say, Gits went Rubbish for a yearish.. but Gits is one of the guys who made the SNK look good.. and SNK is no Gits and to say that other players made him look good is a joke..
But then again look at the Rugby Heaven vote for the best inside back.. Gits has won it by a country mile....
I rate alot of oz boys before him at the moment.. what i dont think is if git in October decideds he would come back here he wouldnt be first choice or maybe Walliabies choice.. He is That Good ( in the convo)
I love the slight reinvention of history here that because Giteau is in amazing form now, it was a mistake to let him leave in 2011.
If Giteau had been willing to keep playing Super Rugby when his Wallaby spot was no longer a given then yes, he could be back in a position where he is in the Wallabies.
He wasn't willing to do that however and like many players who have been long term Wallabies, when that time ends, they go overseas. There are few people willing to stay in Australia and deal with both the reduction in income and status from no longer being a Wallaby.
If Giteau had been willing to keep playing Super Rugby when his Wallaby spot was no longer a given then yes, he could be back in a position where he is in the Wallabies.
He wasn't willing to do that however and like many players who have been long term Wallabies, when that time ends, they go overseas. There are few people willing to stay in Australia and deal with both the reduction in income and status from no longer being a Wallaby.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Before the Matt Giteau Fan Club all get down and begin the circle jerk, let's not forget the important facts:
Manny Edmonds did a stellar job as a flyhalf in Perpignan, despite not being rated here beyond a couple of minor Test caps when everyone else was busted.
Brock James is still doing the business at Clermont and is highly rated up there, especially as a kicker and leading points scorer.
So yeah, the player needs talent. But by fuck it helps to have a good unit around you if you want to save the world.
Manny Edmonds did a stellar job as a flyhalf in Perpignan, despite not being rated here beyond a couple of minor Test caps when everyone else was busted.
Brock James is still doing the business at Clermont and is highly rated up there, especially as a kicker and leading points scorer.
So yeah, the player needs talent. But by fuck it helps to have a good unit around you if you want to save the world.
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Julian Salvi, Dean Mumm, Blair Conner, March Chisholm, Rocky Elsom and Selasi Ma'afu.
These are just a few names of players reported to be playing quite well, or were playing quite well in Europe despite either not being able to cement/maintain decent positions here, or performed poorly when coming back.
I'm just saying the Giteau wouldn't be the first player to not being doing much when he left and then perform well in Europe.
These are just a few names of players reported to be playing quite well, or were playing quite well in Europe despite either not being able to cement/maintain decent positions here, or performed poorly when coming back.
I'm just saying the Giteau wouldn't be the first player to not being doing much when he left and then perform well in Europe.
Unless you're you?
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Andrew Slack (58)
Having seen most of those players in the Top 14 this year I can safely say that Gitaeu's play is light years better than any of them.
Who is Elsom playing for now? Last think I remember is he got injured in Toulon and came home?
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Andrew Slack (58)
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ineken-cup-final/story-fnii0ksb-1226930621845
Anyway I will leave it at that.
He is clearly shit. I must be seeing things like Brad Barrit and Marcello Bosch trying to run over him but him not missing a tackle for 80 minutes.
Sub standard European shitty rugby. Too easy for guys to go and shine over there.
Anyway I will leave it at that.
He is clearly shit. I must be seeing things like Brad Barrit and Marcello Bosch trying to run over him but him not missing a tackle for 80 minutes.
Sub standard European shitty rugby. Too easy for guys to go and shine over there.
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