long term coach?

[Gurz]

Hopefully the ARU has secretly given Link the nod months ago, and he covertly working on game plans to beat the All Blacks next season..with attack and scoring tries

can only hope....!

 

[Slim 293]

Ha........

Eddie Jones speculates the ARU succession plan involves White replacing Deans this year while Link goes and fixes up the Rebels, and then he'll take over from Jake in 2016.........

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...-predicts-a-jake-white-ewen-mckenzie-/4799144

 

[Bardon]

Yes they look good under Jake but with seemingly endless budget for coaching support staff - Is Jake getting the job done.? or is it he's managed to assemble a team of excellent support staff. I think the latter is clear cut.

Not advocating White for the job. But I don't see the ability to identify and then work cohesively with excellent support staff a disadvantage. Especially when it seems to have been a major problem in the Deans era.

 

[Gurz]

Not advocating White for the job. But I don't see the ability to identify and then work cohesively with excellent support staff a disadvantage. Especially when it seems to have been a major problem in the Deans era.

No, I agree, to the contrary - I think it shows his ability to identify talent and use it... I just wonder whether Link has the $$ budget to do the same (if he wanted to... is also the other question).

I think on his stand alone coaching ability alone then - one would have to say that Link has still got the edge...

Think too - SA won the world cup with Eddie in their corner too... so White's ability to bring the right skillset to the fore definitely his style -

 

[Bardon]

If the last few years is any indication I wouldn't worry about the Wallaby budget for hiring and firing assistants.

As long as whoever is the coach gets to pick and choose who those assistants are then it should be a level playing field.

 

[BarneySF]

I've always wanted to know what role national coaches play in grassroots development initiatives - to what degree do they generally have a say/input? Wondering what Link/White would bring to the table and if Link would have a better idea of the landscape in that regard having coached in all 3 major provinces?

 

[Train Without a Station]

and lets face it Brumbies haven't ACUTALLY won anything yet..

I think that is probably the most important point. People seem to be saying that Jake White has overtaken Link as an Australian Super Rugby coach just assuming the Brumbies will do well. They stumbled at the final hurdle last season when it seemed impossible they would not make it (Only needing a losing bonus point against a woeful Blues outfit). Once again this year they have started full of momentum and slowed down a little coming into the business end.

No disrespect to the Brumbies here. Obviously they have wrapped up the Australian conference and could yet go on to win.

Now if Jake manages to win the title with them this year, and in the remainder of his contract takes them to the finals the net 2 years, he still has not technically equalled Link's record with the Reds (5th in 2010, 1st in 2011, 5th in 2012 and 4-6th in 2013).

Obviously the bloke would not be a bad selection. His ability to take a team of no names, cast offs, has beens and never wases from a basket case to 1 game off the finals in his first year with minimal room to move with the roster would surely translate well to him being in a position with greater resources and actually having significant say in the roster and not having to make the best out of players he would prefer not to have. I just think Link has done it slighty (And let's face it - only 1 or 2%) better to date.

If there was no Jake White, Link would have to be an absolute shoe in. Without trying to be xenophobic, when there are 2 relatively equal options, it seems the right choice to go with the Australian, the one that has worn that jersey and in addition to passion for his profession and success, has actual passion for the jersey because that may help that little bit more. And I don't think we are in the position to not be looking for every little advantage.

 

[Rob42]

^ TWAS, I'd prefer Link too, but if you're talking about Jake's record, there is a RWC win to take into account. . .

 

[Swat]

^ TWAS, I'd prefer Link too, but if you're talking about Jake's record, there is a RWC win to take into account.

Also done with a gameplan that differs from what he is playing now with the Brumbies. (Someone said earlier that White doesn't change his gameplans up as much as Link and I think that is true, although he is very good at selecting a game plan that is best for his team and then drilling them until they are potent when using it - Opposite to the Robbie Deans pick my mates in random positions and then make them play a game plan they've never spent any real time practising or playing)

 

[Zander]

White easily has the more impressive CV. Remember, we're talking about a candidate for a Test job, not a Super Rugby one.

Deans had an excellent Super Rugby CV.

 

[Sully]

I posted this in the rebels thread but maybe it needs to go here as well. Tell me it's not impressive!

Ewen McKenzie


Playing
Teams:
∗Australia (1988-1997) 51 tests
∗World XV (1992)
∗NSW Waratahs (1987-1995) 37 games
∗ACT Brumbies (1996-1997) 36 games including 1997 final
Coaching
Coaching Appointments:
Director of Coaching – Queensland Reds 2013
Head Coach – Queensland Reds 2010-12
Head Coach – Stade Francais 2009
Head Coach – Australia A 2005
Head Coach – Waratahs 2003-2008
Assistant Coach/Coaching Coordinator – Wallabies 2000-03
Coaching Coordinator – ACT Brumbies 1998-2000

Coaching Achievements:
Super Rugby Australian Conference Winners – 2011-12 (Queensland Reds)
Super Rugby Championship – 2011 (Queensland Reds)
France Top 14 Semi-Finalists – 2009 (Stade Francais)
Super Rugby Semi-Finalists – 2006 (Waratahs)
Super Rugby Finalists – 2005 and 2008 (Waratahs)
Rugby World Cup Finalist – 2003 (Wallabies)
British and Irish Lions Winners - 2001 (Wallabies)
Tri Nations Winners – 2000 and 2001 (Wallabies)
Bledisloe Cup Winners – 2000 and 2001 (Wallabies)
Super Rugby Finalists - 2000 (Brumbies)

 

[Swat]

I posted this in the rebels thread but maybe it needs to go here as well. Tell me it's not impressive!

While I think winning the australian conference and the semi-finals aren't the highest (although very respectable) achievements it is easy to look back across each team he's been involved with and note that they have played some brilliant, attacking, entertaining rugby quite a lot of the time.

 

[barbarian]

I posted this in the rebels thread but maybe it needs to go here as well. Tell me it's not impressive!

No-one ever said Link's CV wasn't impressive.

But Deans and White's CV's are clearly superior.

But in everything you can't judge these things by how they look on paper.
.

 

[Train Without a Station]

White easily has the more impressive CV.

Whilst obviously an important facet of his time as coach, take out the World Cup victory and you have a coach with a 67% win record with notable results against close yet lower ranked nations like France being 25% and Ireland being 50%. He came under heavy scrutiny on multiple occasions.

One side point also, when White was appointed, with no senior professional coaching experience, he may not have had the most impressive CV for the role, yet he achieved their desired result in the end. Compare that with Deans CV and his results in the tournament he was recruited to win. I guess what I'm trying to say, it's not just cut and dried, that the man with the longest CV is the best man sometimes.

 

[I like to watch]

I posted this in the rebels thread but maybe it needs to go here as well. Tell me it's not impressive!

Yeah,yeah,we see he can coach.
Big deal.
Where did he go to School?
Don't think he was a Shore boy was he?
That would certainly have helped.

 

[Slim 293]

The Australian are really going with the story that White will takeover from Deans this year and then Link will get the job in 2016.........

One of the issues plaguing Drans apparently is the ill discipline of a couple of star players he's fond of that is pissing off the rest of the team.........

 

[BarneySF]

The one and only reason White cannot be appointed: To ensure Eddie Jones doesn't get on the payroll.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

More illogic from Deans in this mornings SMH: "Deans was criticised for taking only one specialist openside to the World Cup, but said the plan had been to unleash Smith and David Pocock in a partnership that could have changed the Wallabies' fortunes at the tournament."
I think if you accept this it means he went to RWC2011 with no plan A.
More worryingly, Deans is talking about the next World Cup in other quotes from this article. He may know something!



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[Joe Blow]

I think it should be Link and if there are reasonable Australian options available in the future we should go with them. Cheika will probably be next cab off the rank.
Having said that if White get's the job I am sure the Wallabies will go very well during his tenure. My preference is for a home grown coach because we have some very good ones and Australian rugby is one of the world leaders in the pro era like NZ, SA and England. We need to keep our rugby traditions strong.

 

[something]

all i want is an australian coaching the australian team.