Lack of manners/respect

[daz]

Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree.

When Australian provincial fans start banging on a cow bell to match a chorus of booing, then I will agree.

I take your point, but that is splitting hairs a bit.

The point is, both Oz and Kiwi teams make noise when the kicker is lining up. The actual decibel level of noise (and how they make it) is possibly irrelevant.

I reckon if Aussie supporters could aim a sonic boom cannon at Dan Carter when he kicks, we would!

 

[Blue]

Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree.

When Australian provincial fans start banging on a cow bell to match a chorus of booing, then I will agree.

You forgot that it's backed up by chainsaws. It's not just Disrespectful but also environmentally unfriendly.

 

[The Red Baron]

You forgot that it's backed up by chainsaws. It's not just Disrespectful but also environmentally unfriendly.

Only if the Chainsaw is old and is improperly tuned! There have been some massive advances in 2-stroke technology (like recycled emissions, etc - have a look at the Maruyama 2-stroke air cooled engines) in an effort to cut down on emissions. In fact, many large companies like Husqvarna, Stihl and Shindaiwa adhere to the CARB (California Air Resources Board) regulations on fuel emissions. They are quite strict too.

But, enough of me being an absolute smart arse.

I don't condone booing. I think JSRF10 hit the nail on the head regarding crowd etiquette. It is much more engaging to be part of a crowd that is noisy and passionate, yet respectful crowd rather than a hostile crowd. That is respect.

 

[PaarlBok]

I hate booing at rugby matches.

Cow Bells, Chainsaw, bucket heads is something totally different. Its part of the Waikato (Cowbell/Chainsaw) rugby fans culture like the Bucketheads at Manawatu and come a long way in NZ rugby.

Also learned some valued sporting lessons in Paarl. You wont get a bigger rival going when its interschools. Both schools in one town, so there is no escape and have to front up during and after interschools. Arrogance before matches leave a lot of explaination after a loss and the blame the ref excuse make you sound like a tosser. Opposition supporters want to hear that one and wont stop teasing you, give the winner the credit and the opposition fans will respect you and the team you support.

Pretty simple, the true rugby spirit is suppose to be a war on the field, best mates off the field and the supporters should do the same to keep rugby the sport its suppose to be.

 

[Pusser]

While I hate booing I hate even more the chanting of "off off off" when penalties are awarded. If the play is dangerous the officials can decide without the crowd pressure. 15 v 14 is no way to win.


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[Dan54]

fair enough Try, like I say I been going to rugby a long time, and of course you don't notice it, as I said you will always notice opposition crowds more...especially if they beat your team often. Mind you I never been a fan of the cowbells..... But anyway,it's not about they are better/worse just the general gist is always distasteful to me.
Daz I have said on another thread how great I consider Lions fans, also why I believe they are so great, thay are almost always on a month long holiday on the other side of world, usually a slightly older, more mature and more affluent supporter(you have to be to be able to follow team around world) and if you lose,just blame other country's players I must admit to never having been to a test in NH, so not sure what the banter-slanging would be like after game with general boganish supporter.

 

[Dan54]

While lying in bed last night I have decided what I think is the problem!!
Us older(and younger) buggers etc that have been coming to rugby for years, probably go down to local club games, stand around in both fine and miserable weather etc, see the game as sport, so maybe think rightfully or wrongly things should be sportsmanlike, perhaps a lot that just go to bigger games are one that consider the game 'entertainment', and feel that as they are just entertaining themselves?? Goes along with all the crap music at every break/someone screaming in mics to try and rev up crowd etc etc.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Superxv.com is reporting that Ma'a Nonu is having trouble finding a NZ franchise willing to offer a contract for 2014. The suggestion is that the NZRU might have to step in to persuade one of the provinces (probably the Hurricanes) to take him so that he remains eligible for the ABs. It is reported that he has been a disruptive influence on his provincial team in recent times.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it. Might also explain why his S15 form has been off but for the ABs he remains a considerable asset.

 

[daz]

Superxv.com is reporting that Ma'a Nonu is having trouble finding a NZ franchise willing to offer a contract for 2014. The suggestion is that the NZRU might have to step in to persuade one of the provinces (probably the Hurricanes) to take him so that he remains eligible for the ABs. It is reported that he has been a disruptive influence on his provincial team in recent times.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it. Might also explain why his S15 form has been off but for the ABs he remains a considerable asset.

I reckon you could get a pretty decent World XV out of players that are good enough for international level but no-one really wants them at provincial level!

 

[Tex]

White line fever has its limits, and I think it also applies to a crowd at sporting events.

Allowed:
- distacting kickers
- booing poor officiating
- basically anything partisan that builds atmosphere and creates a hostile environment for the opposing teams. Never give a mug an even break, and all that.

Not cool:
- abusing players
- abusing the visiting fans
- sour losers and arrogant victors

 

[Dan54]

I think booing poor officiating is generally bad as booing players, usually because the booers?? are just wanting decisions their own way, and as Daz says in about sportsmanship and bad manners etc, I actually think booing a ref during game to pressure him to make decisions I'd exactly same thing!!!
It si disrespecting the game as well.

 

[oztimmay]

Lack of manners/respect:

• Not going for a drink in the club rooms after a match, especially when you're not playing at home. One thing I would always do, even if it was just one.
• Turning your back to the Haka before a test match. Very stupid Australia.

 

[Dan54]

Really agree oz, especially about going for drink after game!!

 

[Tex]

I said something similar after last night's soccer match between Liverpool and Melbourne. There's no chance the pampered poodles in red would've gone into the Melbourne rooms to share a beer.

The referee is sacred, no player should talk to them bar the captain and even then it should be respectful. But I don't think this applies to the crowd. During the 80mins they should be doing everything they can to get their team over the line, and if that includes some vocal suggestions, so be it.

Once the match is over there's no room for bitterness, applaud both teams and the officials.

 

[Happy]

The thing I hate the most is gloating, from fans, but especially from players.

Rubbing an opposition player's head when he makes a mistake, or pointing at him because he can't stop you scoring a try, shits me to tears. Giteau used to do it every time he scored a try - turn his face to the nearest opposition player and smile as he did a big dive to ground the ball.

All it does is make you want a square up to happen to them, and that leads to a lot of the bad attitudes or biases that causes friction between fans and teams.

 

[Bardon]

Crowds can get into the game without booing, go to an Ireland England game in Landsdowne Road you'll hear plenty of noise and very little booing (usually just reserved for when Chris Aston swallow dives). If the fans boo everytime McCaw gets away with something it probably translates to the players who may feel they'll never get a break, if that energy was put into getting a chorus of a song going or a Wallabies chant it could be enough to get your team over the line. I'm a firm believer that getting behind your team as much as possible can give them that extra 0.1% they may need to up the performance level.

Sport should be about getting behind your team, going bananas and making as much noise as possible. It doesn't mean you need to be happy clappy and say everything is great but there is a line and booing the opposition is one that I feel as a sports fan doesn't need to crossed.

The only time I remember there being a potential problem with booing was before the Ireland v England game at Croke Park. But then afterwards everyone was wondering what the hell they were worried about.

The only time I've been at an Ireland game and there's been booing was Ireland v Wales in last year's 6Ns when the ref gave that penalty right at the death to seal the game for Wales. Most of the booing seemed to be directed at the ref and died down a bit before the kick.

Still I was part of the shush and it allowed me to educate my brother and his girlfriend about the etiquette of kicking in rugby. Proud to say that after the game I turned to the Wales fans beside us, apologies for the booing and wished them all the best for their grand slam attempt.

The shush is a special part of NH rugby and I hope I don't outlive it.

 

[Bardon]

I think booing poor officiating is generally bad as booing players, usually because the booers?? are just wanting decisions their own way, and as Daz says in about sportsmanship and bad manners etc, I actually think booing a ref during game to pressure him to make decisions I'd exactly same thing!!!
It si disrespecting the game as well.

I totally agree on this. I've grown up with a father who's pretty level headed and even handed in all things except when it comes to sports officiating.

Any time we watch a game together, especially on TV, my dad has already decided before kick-off that the officials are against us. Us being Ireland, Irish provinces, or where there's no particular allegiance the team he's chosen to support.

So much so that I've developed an almost inhumanly unbiased out look on officiating to counter-act this. I still see when referee's get things wrong but I see it for both sides. But then I see the number of mistakes players make in comparison and don't see a reason to harp on about it.

Maybe someday officials will be recognised for the tough job they do to the same extent that players and coaches are lauded for having a good season/tournament.

 

[Bardon]

While I hate booing I hate even more the chanting of "off off off" when penalties are awarded. If the play is dangerous the officials can decide without the crowd pressure. 15 v 14 is no way to win.


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I hate that players are also more and more asking referees about yellow cards. Some people don't like him, but many referees could learn a thing or two from Nigel Owens about handling back chat from players.

 

[Braveheart81]

I'd like to see referees march teams 10m more often.

It is a relatively small punishment that generally results in players who aren't the captain shutting their mouths quick smart.

 

[Mank]

The one thing that really grates me in rugby is players slapping the head of an opposition player who has given away a penalty. Any goading of the opposition in that circumstance should lead to an immediate reversal of the penalty. It would cut out the soccer type crap straight away, and would help our professionals set a better example of how to behave on a rugby pitch.

Oh wow, I like this guy! 100% agree.

 

[hawktrain]

I know the booing issue has been done to death, but I thi k a big part of how it is received comes down to how the boo-ee responds. e.g. the goalkicker who gets booed, but then slots it from the sideline, that makes people forget about and forgive the booing in a way. I think the fact that Quade played poorly amplified the situation.

As for a lack of respect: players who, when their team scores a try or wins a game, are quicker to rub an opponents face in it or celebrate themselves than to celebrate with their teammates. One example is Quade, as much as I hate to bring him up again, but when he shoved McCaw in HK, the worst thing about it for me was not that he decided to needlessly rugb McCaw's face in it, but that he ignored his teammates. His first reaction to a crucial try was to go after a personal agenda rather than celebrate with his team. That's a lack of respect for the opponent, but even moreso a lack of respect for his teammates.

Our club has a rule where, every try we score, every player on the field has to run in from wherever they are to congratulate the players involved, and then everyone jogs back for the kickoff in a group, and this means there's none of this disrespect.

Another one that annoys me is when captains/coaches don't shake the referee's hand after a game. I don't expect every player to, but the leaders of your team should.