Lack of manners/respect
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Larry Dwyer (12)
I find having my eyes gouged to be somewhat ill-mannered.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Staying out 'til 4am in the week of a big game = lack of respect.
Missing the bus to training in the week of an arguably bigger game = lack of respect.
Not renewing your contract: Respect (said with Ali G impersonation)
Missing the bus to training in the week of an arguably bigger game = lack of respect.
Not renewing your contract: Respect (said with Ali G impersonation)
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Mark Ella (57)
Aiiiii.
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
The Force not playing their best available team against the Lions - lack of respect.
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daz
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It might be better to take more of a helicopter view of what is deemed respectful or not.
For example:
Booing the kicker is a good comment and worthy of discussion. It is common in the SH but not in the NH. Is it disrespectful or just a cultural difference?
Bastard bogan supporters of team "x" booing player "y" while he kicks for goal is a bad comment and will lead to flame wars.
Let's try to keep it impersonal lads, otherwise this will be a very short-lived thread.
For example:
Booing the kicker is a good comment and worthy of discussion. It is common in the SH but not in the NH. Is it disrespectful or just a cultural difference?
Bastard bogan supporters of team "x" booing player "y" while he kicks for goal is a bad comment and will lead to flame wars.
Let's try to keep it impersonal lads, otherwise this will be a very short-lived thread.
I'd always considering booing as far more of a rugby league thing than rugby union.
It is one thing that always stands out to me when I attend a league game is that the modus operandi for the crowd is to boo the other team at every opportunity.
Whilst this happens a bit in rugby union I think it is fairly unsavoury and the game and spectacle is better without out.
If the examples cited in this thread anything to go by, lack of manners and respect by a player or players tends to lead to lack of manners and respect from the crowd and it just spirals on from there.
This is a race to the bottom that everyone has a duty not to start. It makes individual players look bad, results in them being treated poorly and makes the game poorer for it.
It is one thing that always stands out to me when I attend a league game is that the modus operandi for the crowd is to boo the other team at every opportunity.
Whilst this happens a bit in rugby union I think it is fairly unsavoury and the game and spectacle is better without out.
If the examples cited in this thread anything to go by, lack of manners and respect by a player or players tends to lead to lack of manners and respect from the crowd and it just spirals on from there.
This is a race to the bottom that everyone has a duty not to start. It makes individual players look bad, results in them being treated poorly and makes the game poorer for it.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Probably more a cultural thing, the French love to chant and cheer as their kicker lines up a goal whilst us Irish prefer to stay deathly silent. In Wales and England it depends which team your playing some crowds boo others don't. What I have noticed in the NH is that it is reenforced at every opportunity on the PA system to respect the opposition and not to boo the place kicker.
The one thing that really grates me in rugby is players slapping the head of an opposition player who has given away a penalty. Any goading of the opposition in that circumstance should lead to an immediate reversal of the penalty. It would cut out the soccer type crap straight away, and would help our professionals set a better example of how to behave on a rugby pitch.
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daz
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I see the way the refs are treated in soccer and cringe. It is absolutely disgraceful and makes a mockery of the "beautiful game" motto.
One of the things that I really do like about rugby is that regardless of what a player might be thinking in his head, or even muttering to his team-mates, when he is talking to the ref it is nearly always "sir, yes, sir", and they get on with it.
Respect mon!
One of the things that I really do like about rugby is that regardless of what a player might be thinking in his head, or even muttering to his team-mates, when he is talking to the ref it is nearly always "sir, yes, sir", and they get on with it.
Respect mon!
On one hand we want crowds to get more into the games and make some noise; and then we complain when they don't meet some specific level of etiquette?
You can't have both as far as I care and you need heroes and you need villains
We stand round complaining about McCaw "cheating" (making t-shrts etc) and justifying cheap shots from Cooper. It isn't surprising that Kiwi supporter are taking the opposing position
You can't have both as far as I care and you need heroes and you need villains
We stand round complaining about McCaw "cheating" (making t-shrts etc) and justifying cheap shots from Cooper. It isn't surprising that Kiwi supporter are taking the opposing position
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Dick Tooth (41)
Crowds can get into the game without booing, go to an Ireland England game in Landsdowne Road you'll hear plenty of noise and very little booing (usually just reserved for when Chris Aston swallow dives). If the fans boo everytime McCaw gets away with something it probably translates to the players who may feel they'll never get a break, if that energy was put into getting a chorus of a song going or a Wallabies chant it could be enough to get your team over the line. I'm a firm believer that getting behind your team as much as possible can give them that extra 0.1% they may need to up the performance level.
Sport should be about getting behind your team, going bananas and making as much noise as possible. It doesn't mean you need to be happy clappy and say everything is great but there is a line and booing the opposition is one that I feel as a sports fan doesn't need to crossed.
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daz
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I'll just put this out there; I am not a boo-er. Full-stop.
I hate booing, for whatever reason. Sometimes I understand why there is booing, but it just isn't my cup of bourbon and coke.
At the games, I rarely even worry about what the other team are doing. All my energy goes into making noise for my team. I am either cheering something they have done well, or screaming at them in frustration and/or disgust when they do something badly.
I might throw my hands up from time to time if the ref makes a bad call against my team, but one thing I have long come to terms with is that refs are (surprise, surprise) human, and they will fuck up occasionally.
I clap the opposition team onto the field and clap them off at the end of the game. I clap a player off when he is taken from the field injured.
I might even applaud a bit of opposition brilliance. You know, when someone does something so good you just have to recognise it.
I hate booing, for whatever reason. Sometimes I understand why there is booing, but it just isn't my cup of bourbon and coke.
At the games, I rarely even worry about what the other team are doing. All my energy goes into making noise for my team. I am either cheering something they have done well, or screaming at them in frustration and/or disgust when they do something badly.
I might throw my hands up from time to time if the ref makes a bad call against my team, but one thing I have long come to terms with is that refs are (surprise, surprise) human, and they will fuck up occasionally.
I clap the opposition team onto the field and clap them off at the end of the game. I clap a player off when he is taken from the field injured.
I might even applaud a bit of opposition brilliance. You know, when someone does something so good you just have to recognise it.
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David Wilson (68)
I have given up on the booing argument, I don't boo, never have, but when I try to argue point the general answer is, I pay money to go and see these jokers play, if I like em, I'll cheer them, if I dislike em I'll boo em!! I have decided I am just an old prick, so perhaps I just need to put up with it. It is no way a SH or NH thing I believe the Welsh in early 70s taught kiwis how to boo, and listen to the twickenham crowd!! It's not a country thing, I don't like what Kiwi crowds do to QC (Quade Cooper), but don't like what Aussie crowds do to kickers etc either (and don't kid yourself it's they as good as kiwi crowds at it), it's just something that seem to have crept into sport more.
I dislike just as strongly the old blame the ref thing, which in my opinion is just as bad sportsmanship, also happens in almost every country, just we all only notice other teams doing it.
I like you Daz, I applaud opposition onto field, I even applaud opposition tries etc, I bloody yell and jump when it's my beloved All Blacks doing great stuff!! What I don't do is rub it into opposition supporters around me when they are struggling or losing.
I also had a couple of Welsh mates tell me a few years back, that he thought we needed to learn to cheer/boo more to get more atmosphere at matches, didn't really agree ,but as I say,I an old bugger!!!
I dislike just as strongly the old blame the ref thing, which in my opinion is just as bad sportsmanship, also happens in almost every country, just we all only notice other teams doing it.
I like you Daz, I applaud opposition onto field, I even applaud opposition tries etc, I bloody yell and jump when it's my beloved All Blacks doing great stuff!! What I don't do is rub it into opposition supporters around me when they are struggling or losing.
I also had a couple of Welsh mates tell me a few years back, that he thought we needed to learn to cheer/boo more to get more atmosphere at matches, didn't really agree ,but as I say,I an old bugger!!!
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daz
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That is a very good point Dan54, and it was actually brought home to me in a big way during the Lions series.
Usually 3N games involve quite a bit of pre-and post game chat between fans. I find that the SH fans can actually be really nasty about it. Bad losers and even worse winners, if that makes sense.
With the Lions fans, pre-game banter and beers was the go. No nasty abusive stuff (that I saw, anyway) but banter in the purest sense.
What the Brits seem to like is when we don't take ourselves too seriously and just join in the fun. Even post-game, it was not about rubbing faces in the loss; it was about just having a good time.
Two things to illustrate my point:
1) Walked into the Turf bar in Melb, pre-second Test. A sea of red and Aussie's outnumbered 100 to 1. As soon as I walked in, the Lions boys started chanting some cheeky greeting. I simply said something about feeling like I was at an away game, and before you knew it, beers and welcomes galore.
2) Post-Sydney test. Walked for miles around Sydney (trying to find Gagger and cyclo!) and bumped into something like 30,000 Lions fans. Not one single nasty comment from any of them.
Funny thing; the Brits I spoke to all said that in the UK, soccer fans from each team have to leave the stadium from seperate gates, to avoid brawls.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
Funny thing about the silence in NH stadiums, kickers from the SH teams have admitted the first time it happens it's really distracting as they are not use to pure silence when taking a kick.
One that has always pissed me off is when people disrespect a National anthem. This means talking, not standing, wearing a hat etc. I think it just says a lot about the character of a person if they can't stand for 1-2 minutes and be quite and show some respect for the travelling team and their devoted fans.
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Darby Loudon (17)
Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree.
When Australian provincial fans start banging on a cow bell to match a chorus of booing, then I will agree.
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