John O'Neill resigns

[I like to watch]

Working on what?
The blueprint involves 2 clubs that didn't rank in the top 6 of a weak Club comp. These 2 clubs are also broke.
Either JON came up with that flimsy plan on his way to the office on his last day,or he is completely incompetent.
Which one do you think it is WJ?

Edit: I was wrong to call it a flimsy plan. It is clearly much closer to a hazy idea

 

[redstragic]

Working on what?
The blueprint involves 2 clubs that didn't rank in the top 6 of a weak Club comp. These 2 clubs are also broke.
Either JON came up with that flimsy plan on his way to the office on his last day,or he is completely incompetent.
Which one do you think it is WJ?

Edit: I was wrong to call it a flimsy plan. It is clearly much closer to a hazy idea

By being vague he can take credit now for whatever transpires if it is good and condemn it is it bad.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Your right..and what do we get, the current CEO strolling out the front door, holding his box of things under one arm, spins around, "Oh yeh, one last thing, that ARC thing ain't the way forward, remember that Club comp in Sydney (I think they have a similar set up in Bris) that would be a good place to maybe look at beefing up the 3rd tier..I forgot about those blokes..Might be worth looking into"

Yeh, thanks John.

How wrong we were to not recognise JON as the saviour of the grass roots?

We have decried our greatest advocate and prematurely celebrated his departure.

Shame on us.

 

[boyo]

JON giving a lot of interviews on his way out, this one about adding a 3rd tier. (might need a new thread) I don't know why they don't announce these things to the public, the silence really creates the hysteria of people attacking the ARU for not addressing things.

Announcing things but not delivering reminds me of a NSW government.

 

[waratahjesus]

Working on what?
The blueprint involves 2 clubs that didn't rank in the top 6 of a weak Club comp. These 2 clubs are also broke.
Either JON came up with that flimsy plan on his way to the office on his last day,or he is completely incompetent.
Which one do you think it is WJ?

Edit: I was wrong to call it a flimsy plan. It is clearly much closer to a hazy idea

Did he say that it would involve those Clubs, or did he say "The institutions are there, they're great brands. Sydney University, Randwick, Easts, Brothers, GPS etc, etc." before adding that's it's been neglected by people including the ARU?

I know you wish for governance by wishlist, but if you take the time to read and be realistic then at least it's being discussed and worked on.

Matt Carrol is the acting CEO & also head of the team leading up the new comp, maybe we should wait and see the actual plan, maybe we should be putting pressure on him for public consultation so you can voice your concerns.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

for 99.999% of the rugby loving public rugby money is supposed to be a means to an end: the financing of the levels of the game that are not played for money.
If it cant or wont achieve that I cannot understand what relationship there is between the u6's @ Rose Bay and Will Genia.
and if there's no relationship it aint rugby - its NFL or League or something else but it aint rugby

 

[I like to watch]

Did he say that it would involve those Clubs, or did he say "The institutions are there, they're great brands. Sydney University, Randwick, Easts, Brothers, GPS etc, etc." before adding that's it's been neglected by people including the ARU?

I know you wish for governance by wishlist, but if you take the time to read and be realistic then at least it's being discussed and worked on.

Matt Carrol is the acting CEO & also head of the team leading up the new comp, maybe we should wait and see the actual plan, maybe we should be putting pressure on him for public consultation so you can voice your concerns.

Bad news WJ
The tooth fairy is a myth
Santa Claus is not real
JON is not perfect.
He is just giving lip service to a notion of 3rd Tier.
FFS the ARC was 5 year ago, in that time he has only ever stated that a 3rd tier was unaffordable, on his way out the door he makes vague statements about a new 3rd tier.
Your take on this, is that there is a cunning new plan that he was orchestrating?
Or maybe his KPI's were more focused on financial returns, rather than growing the game?

 

[daz]

Santa Claus is not real

Even when my kids found out Santa (the character) was slightly fictional, they still expected pressies every year. And I bought them.

Ipso facto, Santa is very real.

Oh dear, I just realised I went off-topic in this thread. That must be a first.

 

[waratahjesus]

When did I say he was perfect, when did I say there was a cunning plan?
His "KPIs" we're financial, if you google articles from JoNs return to the job it's stated that it's going to be about cost cutting and saving the code from insolvency.

Your attacking me for being in the grey area were I'm thankful that there working towards something.

Everything JoN says from now is lip service, he doesn't work there anymore. In the article I posted you will see that he doesn't give details as there is a working panel headed by Matt Caroll. joN will be retired by the time they come out with a report, I'm not sure how he is taking credit for anything.

I hope the report brings with it a financially viable, decent competition that can please a broad cross section of the rugby community and help develop our players. As for the politics behind it & who gets credit, I care little, the end result is the important thing

 

[I like to watch]

it's too frustrating to debate with you, so i will concentrate on the bits I agree with

Everything JoN says from now is lip service,

joN will be retired by the time they come out with a report,

I don't think JON will be retiring in the foreseeable future

 

[waratahjesus]

Happy to let it go, your projecting your opinion onto things that don't exist.

 

[wamberal]

Randwick used to be a great brand. Sydney University? A good flagbearer for a code that is trying to widen its appeal? I don't think so.

 

[waratahjesus]

They have added a bit more since yesterday, I'm optimistic it can work, still lacking in detail but the under 20s idea is spot on, maybe the 5 EPS players can be incorporated to ensure game time as well.

Tele again-

An ARU task force on Premier Rugby, set up recently and chaired by deputy CEO Matt Carroll, is examining models for a club competition, which would be played after Super Rugby.

A primary focus of the ARU task force is to club rugby as a "critical" arm of development in Australian rugby, said O'Neill. The ARU is now far more hands on with its annual $2.3 million in Premier Rugby grants, directly dealing with the clubs instead of the money going through the NSWRU and QRU, as it has done since 2000.

Clubs must sign commitments to reach high performance targets, on and off-field, in elite grades.

Addressing criticism Australia's best juniors - many in the ARU academy - don't get enough game time, O'Neill said he would like to see a national under 20 competition. Each Aussie franchise would field a junior side, he proposed.

"People say why didn't we do better in the (Australian) under 20s?

Under 20s players don't get any game time. For all the local derbies we now have in this local competition, when the Reds play the Tahs, the curtain raiser is the Under 20 Reds vs the Under 20 Tahs," O'Neill said.

"The Under 20 championships are on every year in June, so from February to May you have that sort of program. And again, it is something the ARU can look to fund for travel and accommodation."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...on-in-club-rugby/story-fn8ti7yn-1226495722407

 

[Inside Shoulder]

waratahjesus: as the recent victories in trans Tasman schoolboys games show we can compete with the darkness in under age comps. I suspect that's because of our larger population and the fact that u18 seems to be the limit on playing league and union in the same season - so we don't lose kids who commit to the clearly more popular code in this country.
For this reason an underage comp is almost certainly counter productive. It just delays the inevitable point when boys face men.
Do they have one in NZ?



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[waratahjesus]

There have been a few guys I know who have dropped out of the rugby system due to lack of game time to go to league. If it helps keep them it's good isn't it?

It's not perfect which is why I thought adding the EPS guys or perhaps making it academy sides with a youth quota might be better, but it's a start and something practical.

The fact we have the talent at 18 before it is divided up just ads to the illustration of why the wallabies find it hard to compete. Between schoolboys and under 20s we manage to lose so much talent to other codes.

 

[kiap]

The Aus schoolboys success is great but it may be a little flattering because the NZ schools selection process tends to be somewhat skewed.

Quality players that go to the wrong rugby schools over there aren't considered and don't get picked. They're forced to bide their time. The system works better once school is left behind and this sees NZ back in front at U20 level.

 

[Dan54]

Yep IS, in NZ there are age grade teams in rep rugby, alsways have been. I was reading that one kid from my old club made Hurricanes u16s, and know nephew trialled for u18, so not sure how many grades there are. Also ITM cup teams/unions generally have at least an U16 and U20 teams if not more.

 

[Bowside]

NZ system must be pretty bad, because ours is nothing special.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

NZ system must be pretty bad, because ours is nothing special.

and plenty claim it is biased in favour of a certain private school competition located on the eastern seaboard

 

[Inside Shoulder]

There have been a few guys I know who have dropped out of the rugby system due to lack of game time to go to league. If it helps keep them it's good isn't it?

It's not perfect which is why I thought adding the EPS guys or perhaps making it academy sides with a youth quota might be better, but it's a start and something practical.

The fact we have the talent at 18 before it is divided up just ads to the illustration of why the wallabies find it hard to compete. Between schoolboys and under 20s we manage to lose so much talent to other codes.

It thinks that is a good point - but it may be a bridge too far: I would have thought the order of priority was an open 3rd tier - but maybe the comp you suggest is more affordable and might help.