ISA 2025

[therugbyfootyguy]

Just a little confused on how this system works,

Hypothetically let's say Oakhill 1 XV were to win the ISA comp, but despite this Oakhill's 13-16 As teams all finished dead last. What effect does this have on where Oakhill will stand on the ladder, as this will determine which division they will go into when term 3 come around. I love this concept on joining ISA and CAS just a little confused. Much help is appreciated!

 

[Game_Day_Ritual]

Valuable point, might take a season or two to work through the process. Will be interesting to see both comps slightly blended. The system works for NZ and South Africa so makes sense.

 

[DaSchmooze]

In which Pats finished equal 2nd last in 2s, equal last in 16As and 14As.

That's not true:

1st - 7th
2nd - 6th
16A - 6th
15A - 3rd
14A - 4th
13A - 3rd

This is available to look at the ISA Website.

ISA don't do equal placings.

 

[DaSchmooze]

It hasn't been published, but I wonder what the weightings are on the various teams that determine the association placings.

I presume the 1st XV performance is weighted more highly than 13A's?

I assume that the ISA top 2 is pretty safely Augs and Oakhill. The ISA / CAS joint announcement has Stannies listed as ISA 3rd in 2024. Are there other schools likely to challenge Stannies for 3rd or does their depth across the age groups mean they are a pretty safe lock for 3rd (for the foreseeable future)?

My best guess is that they dont weight any performance. Stannies were strong across the board last year in all eligible grades:

3rd, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th

 

[DaSchmooze]

Just a little confused on how this system works,

Hypothetically let's say Oakhill 1 XV were to win the ISA comp, but despite this Oakhill's 13-16 A's teams all finished dead last. What effect does this have on where Oakhill will stand on the ladder, as this will determine which division they will go into when term 3 come around. I love this concept on joining ISA and CAS just a little confused. Much help is appreciated !

They calculate it based upon performances in 1sts, 2nds, 16A, 15A, 14A and 13A.

In your scenario, Oakhill doesnt make the cut, they'd be playing D2

 

[Bob_Jones]

Just a little confused on how this system works,

Hypothetically let's say Oakhill 1 XV were to win the ISA comp, but despite this Oakhill's 13-16 A's teams all finished dead last. What effect does this have on where Oakhill will stand on the ladder, as this will determine which division they will go into when term 3 come around. I love this concept on joining ISA and CAS just a little confused. Much help is appreciated !

This is the question that no one seems to knows the answer to at this stage.

Are each of the 1st, 2nd, 16A, 15A, 14A & 13A given equal weighing in determining the association standings, or are the weightings bias towards the older age groups?

If the weightings are overly biased towards the older age groups then the concern is that schools like Barker & Knox will be in the top 3 CAS schools, but then in the cross over competition it is possible that there will be some big mismatches in the younger age groups as they don't have the depth across all their ages groups (like Aug, Oakhill, Stannies & Waverly do)

Like you say, is a very positive step forward and I am hopeful that the teething problems don't detract from what surely has to be the way forward, hopefully towards an outcome where there is a fully combined home and away combined ISA / CAS comp with 2 divisions (as this will avoid the mismatches that currently exist in each association's section of the games (eg. Augs vs Gregs, Knox vs Aloys)

 

[OleMan]

Has anyone seen a draft ISA draw yet?

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

That's not true:

1st - 7th
2nd - 6th
16A - 6th
15A - 3rd
14A - 4th
13A - 3rd

This is available to look at the ISA Website.

ISA don't do equal placings.

Sorry mate was basing it off the total number of wins for each age group. Which outside of 15s and 13s was equal to other schools.

 

[DaSchmooze]

Has anyone seen a draft ISA draw yet?

Nope - in the past I have found the CAS and GPS websites the best resource for preseason fixtures.

It will be interesting to see how CAS/ISA now do their preseasons. I suspect the timing will be similar to GPS. 2 or 3 preseasons trials then into it.

 

[therugbyfootyguy]

They calculate it based upon performances in 1sts, 2nds, 16A, 15A, 14A and 13A.

In your scenario, Oakhill doesnt make the cut, they'd be playing D2

I appreciate you answering as this helped alot !

Although one more question, so how about we flip this hypothetical idea around and say Greg's 1XV were to finish on the bottom of the ISA ladder, but despite this there 16 A's, 15 A's, 14 A's and 13A's all finished first in there respective age group. Does this really mean that Gregs will be in D1? As a result of this there 1XV would be in the same boat as previous years as they begin to compete with the top schools like Barker or Waverly. Once again this is hypothetical and obviously wouldn’t happen much but its interesting to think about. Although in the future, a school such as Pats 1XV or even Kinross 1XV could have a breakout year and finish 1st in ISA, but there lack of depth in the younger boys ultimately put them in D2 which SOMEWHAT defeats the purpose of matching opponents fairly. Not trying to put this down just genuinely curious

 

[Game_Day_Ritual]

Does anyone have a list of wallabies by school produced by the ISA or old CCC days?

 

[Game_Day_Ritual]

Does anyone have a list of wallabies by school produced by the ISA or old CCC days?

I can make a start:

SPX:

Mike Hooper
Luke Jones

St Pats:
Mike Foley

Stannies:
Marty Roebuck
James Grant

Redlands:
Dave Poreki

 

[RugbyTears]

Just a little confused on how this system works,

Hypothetically let's say Oakhill 1 XV were to win the ISA comp, but despite this Oakhill's 13-16 A's teams all finished dead last. What effect does this have on where Oakhill will stand on the ladder, as this will determine which division they will go into when term 3 come around. I love this concept on joining ISA and CAS just a little confused. Much help is appreciated !

In the hypothetical scenario you gave, Oakhill will be near the bottom of the ISA ladder so they will go in the lower division against the CAS schools. All the A teams' results matters.

I can make a start:

SPX:

Mike Hooper
Luke Jones

St Pats:
Mike Foley

Stannies:
Marty Roebuck
James Grant

Redlands:
Dave Poreki

Nic White (St Gregs) , Langi Gleeson (Auggies) , Tom Hooper (Stannies) , Mark Nawaqanitawase (Pats)

 

[Wallyworld]

Can anyone advise how the "ISA Competition Placings Formula" works when teams are equal wins/losses?

 

[Game_Day_Ritual]

In the hypothetical scenario you gave, Oakhill will be near the bottom of the ISA ladder so they will go in the lower division against the CAS schools. All the A teams' results matters.

Nic White (St Gregs) , Langi Gleeson (Auggies) , Tom Hooper (Stannies) , Mark Nawaqanitawase (Pats)

I didnt know Nick White went to Gregs, thanks for the update might keep adding it up. This steams from a barbecue chat over xmas on how many wallabies do you think the ISA competition has fielded. Stannies might have more way way back will do some more research or the Stannies supporters might send some info through.

 

[Game_Day_Ritual]

I didnt know Nick White went to Gregs, thanks for the update might keep adding it up. This steams from a barbecue chat over xmas on how many wallabies do you think the ISA competition has fielded. Stannies might have more way way back will do some more research or the Stannies supporters might send some info through.

According to wiki Stannies has produced 7 wallabies in total from 1899 to present plus one Scottish international 1984 James McLaren. (ex-Stirling County and Glasgow Warriors who played 1 test for Scotland)

 

[oldblokegaz]

From what I've gathered:

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Oakhill Fixture 2025:
Trial: Shore (H) v Oakhill (A) - May 3rd

ISA Rd 1: Bye - May 10th
ISA Rd 2: St Pius (H) v Oakhill (A) - May 17th
ISA Rd 3: Oakhill (H) v St Patricks (A) May 24th
ISA Rd 4: Oakhill Gala Day: Oakhill (H) v St Augustine's (A) - May 31st
ISA Rd 5: Oakhill (H) v Kinross / Scots All Saints (A) - June 14th
ISA Rd 6: St Stanislaus' (H) v Oakhill (A) - June 21st

ISA/CAS Rd 1: Opp. (H) v Oakhill (A) - July 26th
ISA/CAS Rd 2: Oakhill (H) v Opp. (A) - August 2nd
ISA/CAS Rd 3: Oakhill (H) v Opp. (A) - August 9th

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No sign of the Andrew Wisemantel Memorial Shield between Barker and Oakhill - Maybe because the two teams will play each other in the ISA/CAS Rounds if they make the same tier? If it goes ahead Oakhill will be hosting Barker as Barker hosted last year.

 

[Agent]

I can make a start:

SPX:

Mike Hooper
Luke Jones

St Pats:
Mike Foley

Stannies:
Marty Roebuck
James Grant

Redlands:
Dave Poreki

Kinross: Ben McCalman, Grace Hamilton (Wallaroos captain a few years ago)

 

[RugbyTears]

According to wiki Stannies has produced 7 wallabies in total from 1899 to present plus one Scottish international 1984 James McLaren. (ex-Stirling County and Glasgow Warriors who played 1 test for Scotland)

I think Ben McCalman went to Kinross and Angus Staniforth also went there. Matt Philip went to Auggies. I suspect the only Div1 ISA school which has no Wallaby is Oakhill although 2 of their ex students have gone on to be NRL big name players.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Does anyone have a list of wallabies by school produced by the ISA or old CCC days?

Best bet is to trawl wikipedia as innacurate as it can be at times.

Pats also have;
John Ballesty
Mark Nawaquinatawase

I think Ben McCalman went to Kinross and Angus Staniforth also went there. Matt Philip went to Auggies. I suspect the only Div1 ISA school which has no Wallaby is Oakhill although 2 of their ex students have gone on to be NRL big name players.

No Wallabies but current Super Rugby players Lachlan Anderson (Reds) and Harrison Goddard (Brumbies)