Ireland v Australia, Saturday 26 November

[Lindommer]

Wasn't there an Australian hand holding the Irishman's head as it headed towards the ground?

 

[TSR]

SImmons arm is around his shoulders/neck. The commentators I think said they thought he was more the culprit. I dont think that is right though.

 

[Mr Doug]

@KAOP this is the Mumm YC, 0:15-0:18 of the clip

Not a tip tackle per se but a dangerous/ reckless/ needless act. He's lucky he only got yellow what with WR (World Rugby)'s latest edict on protecting players' heads.

Fair call on the second Irish try, tho, Arnold impeded & pocket defender Pocock taken out well behind the ruck ~2:08 in.

Thanks for posting those highlights, WO.

 

[KAOPointman]

If that's what they said, then yes. I've reviewed the clip above and he appears to land clearly head first IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I thought a yellow was fair - but if we want consistancy, than with dangerous play, whether deliberate or a accidental, there needs to be harsh penalties.

I'm not sure of the bit of my post you are saying um no too - My original post said I thought the laws required a red, but I haven't argued with the subsequent posts that show the ref has discretion.

I said there was a spectrum for penalising these tackles.....you said "NO...it's all about safety". When NO it's not. There is a spectrum as not all lifting tackles are deemed dangerois.....some more then others. Sometimes your accountable for the way you bring or don't bring the lifted player to the ground.
No argument...just what they say!

 

[TSR]

I said there was a spectrum for penalising these tackles...you said "NO.it's all about safety". When NO it's not. There is a spectrum as not all lifting tackles are deemed dangerois...some more then others. Sometimes your accountable for the way you bring or don't bring the lifted player to the ground.
No argument.just what they say!

Ah, okay - sorry - my post wasn't very clear. I was meaning to say that, for me, player safety comes above everything, even refering consistency.

Of course, this is actually a disingenuous statement because essentially what I want is refereeing consistency in punishing dangerous play harshly.

Personally I think every lifting tackle which goes behind horizontal needs to be treated as dangerous, even though I know a lot of people see 'lifting tackles' where you put a guy on his backside as being good, old fashioned technique. Like you say, a lot of them end up being not that dangerous at all. My concern is that the margin for error is quite fine and the repercussions can be so devastating. A lot disagree with me position, but I feel it is the only way to remove it from the game.

Apologies for the confusion with my earlier post.

 

[Twoilms]

One interesting thing to take away from that law is how imprecise the wording of the rule actually is. So much of that is contentious. If that were a real world law there would be litigation for years.

 

[KAOPointman]

Ah, okay - sorry - my post wasn't very clear. I was meaning to say that, for me, player safety comes above everything, even refering consistency.

Of course, this is actually a disingenuous statement because essentially what I want is refereeing consistency in punishing dangerous play harshly.

Personally I think every lifting tackle which goes behind horizontal needs to be treated as dangerous, even though I know a lot of people see 'lifting tackles' where you put a guy on his backside as being good, old fashioned technique. Like you say, a lot of them end up being not that dangerous at all. My concern is that the margin for error is quite fine and the repercussions can be so devastating. A lot disagree with me position, but I feel it is the only way to remove it from the game.

Apologies for the confusion with my earlier post.

Nah all good. My typing can sound very blunt at times haha! I agree.....if they want a clean safe game they need to be aggressive and be CONSISTENT! I honestly think we're asking too much otherwise we just simply wouldn't see SO MUCH diffence in refereeing style and adjudicating from Reffs apparently following the same standards!
Cheiks will be wasting his breath I can garuntee that! We've had SANZAR on the ropes with evidence about our scrums being unfairly targeted before.....and nothing changes.

It'll take one of world rugbys superstars to end up in a wheelchair from a tip tackle before they do anything of substance!

 

[TOCC]

Only just watched the game... Hate to blame one player but Dean Mumm's actions cost the Wallabies dearly, his yellow card cost at least 7 points and arguably even 14.. His head high tackle also gave Ireland possession and territory for third 3rd try..

Naiavalu played well, dominant in contact both with the ball and in defence.. Speight plays a passive defence and isn't injecting himself enough in attack..

DHP is becoming the new AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), a few errors but thought he had a pretty solid game, likewise with Hodge, a few errors but showing strong potential..

If Hooper were 10cm taller and carrying an extra 15kg he would be the worlds best blindside.. unfortunately he isn't, and right now the Wallabies have the wrong balance in their back row.

Arnold was making some cracker tackles early on, but was caught with poor body position a couple of times with ball in hand.. I thought the Wallabies lineout maul defence improved when Douglas replaced him as well.. still very impressed with Arnold this season, but needs to work on a few areas of his game..

Foleys form consistency is improving, but still not st the heights it was at last years RWC.

 

[barbarian]

I'm fairly upbeat after the game, and don't share the negativity from many on here. It was a bloody good effort to get back into the game from 17-0 down, and it would have been a triumphant win if we got over the line.

Alas we fell just short. Sure there's plenty to improve on, but it was another ripper game of rugby and we showed great endeavour throughout.

 

[Dan54]

While I personally thought yellow was fair on the tip tackle, would be very surprised if it not cited.

 

[Shiggins]

What you mean when he drew in two players and then passed it to foley and Foley dropped it cold with a clear try line??
They should all expect the ball at all times..

And all you guys warbling on about guys complaining about the refs...go jump! Every loosing team can complain when the refs are as inconsistent as they are!
The wallabies suffered on the field for committing so many penalties, therefore debt paid...they don't need a world class group of Reffs to ignore a blatant block that lets in a try..a try that proved the difference! Let's not forget "yellow" cards for a self inflicted high tackle and a tip tackle that wasn't a tip tackle let alone dangerous...all coming from the "welsh listen to my gospel sideline" Reff! (Smacks forehead)!
Oh well plenty of class shown...we just need a tad more tough mobility up front and a 10 that can attack properly and we'll be fine!

I'll say it again just like every game..if Quade had dropped a sitter a metre out and passed two blind dud hospital passes that led to turnovers..he'd never play again! Let alone that foley played almost no role in our good attacks or tries!

No, I mean when we had a 2 man overlap and he didn't pass it.

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[Twoilms]

While I personally thought yellow was fair on the tip tackle, would be very surprised if it not cited.

Can you be cited for something the ref has already punished? Didn't think so...

 

[Dave Beat]

You need to play one openside. The whole problem with the Wallabies in 2016 is how unbalanced the side has been.

Hoopers defense was poor, 3 or 4 missed tackles from your undrobable openside is not good enough.

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12 tackles with 4 missed is pretty shithouse if you ask me.

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Well after those two very vocal posts i will be having to go back and watch.

As a number of voters saw it very different to you.
He also picked up an award rather recently that suggests he might be okay at rugby.

I hope Chek can find you, you might become his right hand man and turn the fortunes of Australian rugby.

Be back sometime this week after watch the game.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Can you be cited for something the ref has already punished? Didn't think so.

Well, yes, Fekitoa (on-field YC, off-field one week suspension) & Cane (on-field penalty, cited but found not guilty) being two recent examples.

 

[Dave Beat]

On the game and the result.
I thought it was a great game to watch, great advertisement for rugby.
Result could have gone either way as each team won a half.

On the ref and the obstruction that lead to the Irish try, it should not have been given - BUT - it took me 3 or 4 watches to arrive at that decision. I prefer rugby being played on the pitch and not watching replays, players make errors as do refs - some go your way some don't.

• I don't have an issue with the one last night.
• I did have an issue with the one against the AB's, re run after rerun, and even the TMO got it wrong.

The Poms are the ones I really want to nail.

 

[Quick Hands]

Can you be cited for something the ref has already punished?

Yes. Just as happened in this case.

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/de-jager-cited-after-yellow-card-offence/

 

[redveincheese]

Irregardless is not a word

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thanks for the tip

 

[Inside Shoulder]

He is actually being quite humble and diplomatic about it. He said Ireland deserved to win but is questioning the 13-3 penalty count and seems to be more irate at what Ireland was allowed to get away with rather than what we were getting pinged for. He makes special mention of an incident where Pocock was taken out about 10 metres beyond the maul before the first Irish try.

Trouble is that, in the order in which it was done, complaining about the ref and then saying they deserved to win rings hollow.
If he blames the ref he lets the players off the hook and they bombed 2 or 3 tries in which the officials played no part

 

[wamberal]

I'm fairly upbeat after the game, and don't share the negativity from many on here. Sure there's plenty to improve on.

Let's think about this. Ireland went out on the field in the second half with their reserve half-back in their back-line, after a horror series of injuries both before the game and during the first half.


Yes, there is plenty to improve on. At least I hope that is what the team takes out of this shambolic display.


One man's negativity is another man's reality. Take your pick.

 

[brokendown]

yeah,they were all over us in the first 30 and had a decimated backline in the second half-and we could not finish them off-don't blame the ref.
we were not good enough!