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Hybrid Game - Auggies v Keebra Park

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Iluvmyfooty

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Have heard there is a hybrid game planned for late April between Auggies and Keebra park to be played at the SFS. Haven't got how it will be played but suggestions are that one half of the field will be played under rugby rules and the other half of the field will be played under those "other" rules.
 
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Bradley

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These games never seem to come off. Remember they tried to get Hills Sports and Newington together last year but nothing happened. You also have to question what the two schools would gain from such a game. Hmmmm, interesting though!
 

Rugby Parent

Stan Wickham (3)
You play with 13 (no flankers).

When in possession of the ball in your own (defensive) half, rugby rules apply. When in possession of the ball in your attacking half, league rules apply.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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RP that doesn't make sense. If I am in my defensive half playing rugby rules, what about my opposition who are in their attacking half- are they playing League rules?

If it is confusing for us here, I can't imagine how bad it would be for the actual players on the ground. And worse still the ref!
 
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no_name12

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well one would think a league and union ref would be on the ground. don't know how it will come off, but a good match up between the two teams
 

Rugby Parent

Stan Wickham (3)
I agree it is confusing and I haven't seen a game played under these 'rules', but attacking and defensive halves are determined relative to the team in possession of the ball. Thus a turnover of the ball sees an immediate change in the rules to apply.
 

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David Codey (61)
You play with 13 (no flankers).

When in possession of the ball in your own (defensive) half, rugby rules apply. When in possession of the ball in your attacking half, league rules apply.
its actually the other way around.
You play Mungo in your 1/2 & if you can get past 1/2 way then revert to Rugby.
If it matters. The concept has no legs & this game is a mis match.
keebra by a thousand
 

Rugby Parent

Stan Wickham (3)
Sorry for getting it wrong. Do you know much about Auggies - are they any good at mungo ball or rugby. I am a fan of Keebra Park who were unlucky against Hills last year in the Arrive Alive Cup.
 

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David Codey (61)
Rugby, they got mauled by Hills in the Waratah Shield Final last year.
It was men against boys.The League rules will amplify the physical advantage Keebra has over Auggies.
It would appear that last years Auggies side was substantially stronger than this years crop.
I hope they have a mercy rule.
 
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baldingwingforward

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Pretty pointless idea with nothing to gain for either side. Are you sure that you have got the rules correct fellas in regard to the halves...

Many years ago when rugby first went professional they played a game between Bath Rugby and Wigan Rugby League teams. For one half of the match they played league rules, and for the other half they played union. Unsurprisingly Bath won the union half convincingly and Wigan the league. There is no way that you could play two sets of rules at the same time! Separate halfs is the only way that you could do it.

But it won't happen and if it does Auggies will get hammered - probably in both codes!
 

Johnny Blaze

Herbert Moran (7)
Pretty pointless idea with nothing to gain for either side.

But it won't happen and if it does Auggies will get hammered - probably in both codes!

Totally agree, it's like a hybrid game between cricket and baseball - why bother? My boy goes to Keebra and I have seen first hand their development program - expect to see some rugby talent come out there in the near future.
 
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Bradley

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I hope someone serves it up to these Keebra blokes. They seem a bit big-headed to me and the silly media storm that erupted after they won the Oz 7's last year was laughable. I loved it when Hills Sports beat them in the final of the ARL Schoolboys Cup (previously known as the ArriveAlive Cup). Hills were full of their union players that also won the Waratah Shield last year but you didn't see any media beat-up like when the mungoes beat us at our own game!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...kes-it-up-to-union--again-20110316-1bx8w.html

League school takes it up to union ... again
Phil Lutton
March 16, 2011

First, the goods news. The smell of freshly cut grass and the sight of starched collars at Ballymore means schoolboy Sevens is back, heralding the start of a new scholastic season on the rugby field.

How you digest the other news depends on your educational institution of choice. For everyone other than Keebra Park, the league powerhouse from Southport that swept away the traditional rugby strongholds to win the national title last year, it's most likely bad.

A year after their rampage through the cream of Australia's schoolboy rugby talent, Keebra Park made a return to the field yesterday at Ballymore. They're back, not necessarily bigger but every chance of being better.

Advertisement: Story continues below This time, they are the top dog instead of a novelty act in a code more often associated with the private school crowd. It was as if they hadn't missed a beat, battling past some quality teams and handing out some hidings to progress to the Queensland semi-finals.

There they will play another well-known league school, Wavell, to possibly set up a final against either Toowoomba Grammar or Brisbane State High School at Suncorp Stadium.

Keebra was a media darling last year as the school tried its hand at a game they don't even play, despite many students having New Zealand or Islander heritage. At Keebra, the simple fact is rugby league reigns supreme.

Even so, they turned up to Herston, socks down and without having a single union training session. They had to enlist some Queensland Rugby staff to give them a last-minute rundown of the rules.

This year, according to coach Greg Lenton, the preparation has been even more minimalist. When you're on a good thing, why tinker with the formula?

"I think we've done less, to be quite honest. We've been busy with other things," Lenton said.

"I think we did surprise ourselves a bit [last year]. It's just good to have a little bit of footy at this stage of the year. That's why they're here."

After taking out the Queensland title against Ipswich Grammar, Keebra Park travelled to the hallowed fields of St Ignatious College in Sydney's leafy Lane Cove. In the national final, they defeated Hills Sports High 38-27 to complete what was billed as a fairytale victory by a working class league school over the toffs of the stiff upper lip.

Many of Keebra's kids come from the toughest of backgrounds but the the Hollywood script isn't quite as good as it sounds. Keebra, which has produced NRL stars like Benji Marshall, Robert Lui and Ben Te'o, is an elite league factory that won the ARL Schoolboys Cup in 2009 and finished runner-up last year.

A number of the squad members are already in deals with the Wests Tigers, the main affiliate club for the school. The underdog tag, while tempting to apply, doesn't quite fit this time around.

The lack of technical rugby prowess matters much less in Sevens, says Lenton, who found out last year that his side could take advantage of a hybrid style of game that suited their running play and powerhouse athletes.

And there may yet be hope for the rugby faithful, who will be hoping the marauders from Southport can somehow be stopped in their tracks. Yesterday, at least, they had some of their rivals beaten before they stepped on the park.

Lenton said his side had some technical flaws that could be exploited if any of the union specialists started studying the tapes.

"It's nearly a hybrid game on it's own. I think if you're a union specialist, it doesn't automatically favour you. It depends who you're playing," Lenton said.

"But I'm sure if one of the union sides really got stuck into it and worked out the things we couldn't do, I'm sure they would take us out.

"Last year, it was good. Everybody enjoyed it. We open our eyes to these sort of things. A lot of the boys, their ambition is to go on and play NRL.

"But if they get an opportunity to play rugby union, I'd be more than happy as long as they've got a good career and a pathway."

Beating Keebra is well and good in theory but the reality is more confronting. Yesterday, they beat respected northerners St Brendan's 26-14, Marsden 31-0, flogged Forest Lake 50-0 and eclipsed Nudgee College 20-12 in the finals.

"A lot of the guys are still here and there's a few additions. It should be [better than last year] but sometimes you have second-year syndrome. It depends on attitude and a lot of things. They're disciplined but can never know where boys heads are," Lenton said.

Rugby will never be the big ticket at Keebra, a school where starry eyed recruits from all parts of Australia and the Pacific send audition tapes to try and earn a place. But if they are in it, they want to win it.

"It's not our focus for the year. But they're competitive athletes. They don't like to lose anything they play, whether it's this or ping pong. That's just the nature of them," Lenton said.

The state semi-finals of the Sevens will be played at Suncorp Stadium in the prelude to Friday night's game between the Queensland Reds and Melbourne Rebels.

Brisbane State High meets Toowoomba Grammar at 5.30pm, with Keebra Park and Wavell SHS in action soon after.

The QRU has reminded fans to arrive early to take in the action as well as the activities in the stadium precinct.
 

AngrySeahorse

Peter Sullivan (51)
I hope someone serves it up to these Keebra blokes. They seem a bit big-headed to me and the silly media storm that erupted after they won the Oz 7's last year was laughable. I loved it when Hills Sports beat them in the final of the ARL Schoolboys Cup (previously known as the ArriveAlive Cup). Hills were full of their union players that also won the Waratah Shield last year but you didn't see any media beat-up like when the mungoes beat us at our own game!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...kes-it-up-to-union--again-20110316-1bx8w.html

Agreed, if the boot was on the other foot you wouldnt get this kind of reporting favouring Rugby. After reading this article I think I need to puke.
 

RugbyFuture

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http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2011/04/13/307625_gold-coast-lead-story.html

Hybrid rugby code developed at Keebra

Jamie Gallagher | April 13th, 2011

AFTER several failed attempts, one of Australian sport's longest-standing disputes may finally be resolved.

The annual hybrid rugby showdown between the Wallabies and the Kangaroos is back on the agenda, thanks to its development at Keebra Park State High School.

Rugby union luminaries Bob Dwyer and Mark Ella and former rugby league international Bob Fulton approached Keebra coach Greg Lenton last year to develop and refine a set of non-biased hybrid rules.

The respected brains trust is now ready to showcase its ''evolution of the rugby codes'' when the Gold Coast school meets Sydney rugby heavyweights St Augustine's College at Brookvale Oval on May 11.

''The most difficult thing was making sure it wouldn't be seen to favour one code over another because the whole thing would fall apart if it was not perceived as even contest,'' said Lenton, who led rugby league heavyweight Keebra Park to unexpected Australian Rugby Union Sevens glory at their first attempt last year.

''We've weighed it all up and made it as even as possible. We played some games internally then trialled it against The Southport School late last year and for the first time had confirmation it would be a balanced contest.

''We've fiddled with the rules a little bit more since and now we have an even showpiece to present to the parties concerned.''

Lenton said it was time to bring the rugby codes closer together to take on other football codes.

''The benefits far out-weigh any negatives,'' he said.

''If people look at it with a clear mind, it's not a threat to either but will also help both against the threats of AFL and soccer.

''I can remember being around for the launch of State of Origin and how massive it was and it's time for something new.

''Fans are looking for more events like that and this formula will attract them. Both codes will hold a majority share of hybrid rugby.

''It will be a great revenue-raiser for each of them.'



COMPLETE HYBRID RULES

The game is designed to enable a rugby union team to play a rugby league team in a game that suits both codes and is a blend of both codes.

1. There will be 13 players per side.

2. Start of play will be decided by a coin toss.

3. All starts and restarts of play from the halfway line will require a place kick which must travel at least 10 meters in a forwards direction.

4. While in possession a team will be required to play rugby league rules while exiting their end of the field. Once this attacking team crosses the halfway line, the game reverts to rugby union rules.

5. The referees will call the change of play (league to union) once the halfway line has been crossed. Union rules will continue even if the side in possession is driven back behind the halfway line, or the ball is passed backwards into this area.

6. The game will continue until there is a change in possession and the rules (league or union) will apply to the position on the field of the now attacking side.

7. The ball is not permitted to be kicked out on the full. If this occurs a penalty will result from where the ball was kicked out and the game restarted under rugby union rules.

8. Restarts of play using dropkicks from their team's own (defensive) end of the field must satisfy rugby union rules with regard to the minimum distance travelled by the drop-kicked ball.

9. The attacking side has 60 seconds to score or kick. This period will be monitored by a shot clock. Failure to score or kick in this time will result in a turn over of possession. The shot clock applies to both ends of the field and both codes. There will be no tackle count. This is a precise time frame and any points scored after the 60 seconds has elapsed will not be counted.

10. The shot clock will be reset for all penalties and restarts of play. Penalty kicks at goal are not included in the 60 second time frame.

11. There will be two referees on the field of play: one each from rugby league and rugby union.

12. Scrums will be contested rugby union style. The attacking side will have the loose head and feed and the ball is to be fed into the centre of the scrum.

13. Points are as follows: Try = 5 points; conversion and penalty goal = 2 points; field goal = 1 point.
 

Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
Thanks RF....

Reckon it's going to be tricky to try to score within 60secs...the defending team would try to slow down tackles whilst in the opponent's half...
 
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