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HSBC Sevens World Series 2014/14 - Round 5 - Las Vegas

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Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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While I agree with Brumby Runner , I suspect the kicking from restarts would be a coach initiated tactic.
As for Stannard, I can't believe he is still in the squad. There is a National sevens championship in early March where hopefully a potential successor will emerge.

Stannard is still our best player in that role in the squad. It probably says more about the others than him.

Allan Fa'alava'au is probably the next guy in the team in that role but he isn't as physical or skilled as Stannard yet.

I guess part of the problem is that most of the best players who we need in that key playmaker role are playing XVs.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Stannard is still our best player in that role in the squad. It probably says more about the others than him.

Allan Fa'alava'au is probably the next guy in the team in that role but he isn't as physical or skilled as Stannard yet.

I guess part of the problem is that most of the best players who we need in that key playmaker role are playing XVs.

Just another reason to be looking outside the present squad. Could be a good thing if Bernard Foley is available to play 7s. And what about Matt Lucas? He's had quite a bit of 7s experience. What's he doing this year.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Just another reason to be looking outside the present squad. Could be a good thing if Bernard Foley is available to play 7s. And what about Matt Lucas? He's had quite a bit of 7s experience. What's he doing this year.

Foley would slot into first choice in that role which would improve things substantially. Essentially he'd just be displacing a player who only gets on the field against the dirt trackers.

I don't know if Matt Lucas quite has that playmaking ability. The way we play, that role is more of a 10 than a 9 from XVs.

Cam Clark also seems like he might slot into that role eventually. He's probably our second playmaker wider out.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
The Fijian Wizards go on to demolish NZ in the final to take the silverware and the important maximum series points.

Aus in 5th place but stretch their series lead over the Soap Dodgers by 1 point to remain in 4th place overall.

Revised points after Las Vegas round are: (Top 4 and BRA automatically qualify for Rio Olympics 2016)
1. SAF, 93
2. NZL, 88
3. FIJ, 86
4. AUS, 71
5. ENG, 68
6. ARG, 54
7. USA, 51 (up from 8th)
8. SCO, 47 (down from 7th)
9. FRA, 37 (up from 11th)
10. SAM, 36 (down from 9th)
11. WAL, 32 (down from 10th)
12. KEN, 29
13. CAN, 27 (up from 14th)
14.POR, 21 (down from 13th)
15. JAP, 5
16. BRA, 2

Next up is the Round 6/7 double header of Hong Kong (27-29 March) and Japan (4-5 April).

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Source: World Rugby Sevens Series Facebook
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Does anyone know if Hong Kong is worth more than the other legs considering it is a bigger event or are they all the same?

With four tournaments to go including England and Scotland which you figure might garner England some sort of home ground advantage, I feel like we really need to make a final or hopefully even a tournament win.

We're not going to keep fourth place just with a mix of semi final losses and 5th and 6th place finishes.

At least South Africa, NZ and Fiji are consistently dominant this year so it's just as hard for England to produce the big result that we're also looking for.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Hong Kong is just another leg, AFAIK.


It is bigger in a commercial sense, but not in any other sense, is it?
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Hong Kong is just another leg, AFAIK.


It is bigger in a commercial sense, but not in any other sense, is it?

It involves 16 extra teams.

Having just checked, they're in a completely separate tournament so it is just the same format for the main teams and would be the same series points on offer.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
With the gaps between 3-4 and 5-6 it looks like its just down to us v England for the final guaranteed Olympic spot. I hope the draws put us vs them as much as possible in the remaining tournaments.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ Yeah, Nah. Stuff that I hope the draw has the Soap Dodgers playing off for the Knife, Fork and Spoon in each of the remaining tournaments, while we take the Cup from the Saffers, Kiwis, Fiji and the Kiwis in the final tournament.

Reality is that if Team UK do not qualify as one of the automatic 4 qualifiers from the World Series, they will almost certainly qualify as the European qualifier, or via the final qualifying tournament.

As much as the ABE association want it to happen, it will snow in Singapore before UK miss out on a slot in the Rio Rugby 7's.
 

Brendan Hume

Charlie Fox (21)
The Fijian Wizards go on to demolish NZ in the final to take the silverware and the important maximum series points.

Aus in 5th place but stretch their series lead over the Soap Dodgers by 1 point to remain in 4th place overall.

Revised points after Las Vegas round are: (Top 4 and BRA automatically qualify for Rio Olympics 2016)
1. SAF, 93
2. NZL, 88
3. FIJ, 86
4. AUS, 71
5. ENG, 68
6. ARG, 54
7. USA, 51 (up from 8th)
8. SCO, 47 (down from 7th)
9. FRA, 37 (up from 11th)
10. SAM, 36 (down from 9th)
11. WAL, 32 (down from 10th)
12. KEN, 29
13. CAN, 27 (up from 14th)
14.POR, 21 (down from 13th)
15. JAP, 5
16. BRA, 2

Next up is the Round 6/7 double header of Hong Kong (27-29 March) and Japan (4-5 April).

Is the Olympic format the same as the World Sevens tournaments? 16 teams, etc? Even if Australia don't qualify automatically it would be pretty unlikely that they miss out altogether.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
Always want to have your destiny in your own hands, meeting them in the draw at the right time means we only have to beat them to stay above them. Ideally it'd be meeting at the quarters so we can send them to the cutlery draw.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Is the Olympic format the same as the World Sevens tournaments? 16 teams, etc? Even if Australia don't qualify automatically it would be pretty unlikely that they miss out altogether.


@DBox is doing a great job of tracking the contenders for Rio on this thread: http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/rio-olympics.14206/

If we miss the top 4 position, then it would most likely be a battle with Samoa for the Oceania position, and if we lose that one, then we are down to the likes of Canada, France etc for the final qualifying slot.

Note the nature of sevens tournaments are such that the likes of USA, Canada, France, Wales, Samoa, Kenya on a good day can all comfortably beat us with an ounce of luck on their behalf, and two missed tackles, a yellow card or one poor defensive read on ours.

Much better to keep our slot as fourth qualifier from the World Series.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
Fantastic to see USA's improvement, I strongly believe they'll be top 4 competitive at the Olympics. Great support too.

It's good to see the improvement, but they still have a nagging tendency to play too loosely and make simple concentration errors when there's more at stake. I'm hoping if they keep on this same trajectory, they'll get used to competing for hardware by the last couple of tournaments and will be a lot more settled in those situations.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
Las Vegas puts Wellywood to shame:

"More than 75,000 fans attended the Sam Boyd Stadium.."

http://www.worldrugby.org/sevens-series/news/57325

Even allowing for a little (& natural) "didn't we do well", that's a fucking awesome result.

Only 35 days til Hong Kong!
Don't recall the actual numbers, but apparently Las Vegas also blew out last year's Las Vegas attendance record. So at least there's hard evidence that 7s is becoming more popular in the U.S.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
@Mxyzptik, do you think that a rugby product such as viva 7's could flourish in the USA?
http://www.rugby.com.au/News/NewsAr...7s-to-launch-in-Regional-New-South-Wales.aspx
Huh. My first reaction is hell yes, especially at universities and with community centers that organize adult sports leagues. There'd be the initial novelty, plus it'd ride on Olympic notoriety. My second reaction is it would have to start in places where rugby and 7s is already known -- the coasts -- and move from there.

But I think it could be introduced more easily if the organizers worked with/through the same groups that organize things like flag football leagues, because American football seems to be the way rugby is making itself known here. Lately the press here is pushing some of the current USA 7s players American football backgrounds, and having current NFL players talking about their own rugby backgrounds. So rugby is already using American football as a vector to introduce themselves to the public.

Flag football is played as a just-for-fun organized sport at universities, by kids everywhere and adults in larger cities, by police and fire departments and military, etc. But I know even flag football can get a little rough (a cop I know blew a knee and got concussed playing flag football), and I don't know if it's as welcoming of mixed-sex teams. And it's American football, so there's a lot of start-stop, and the sport's really not going to get you in great condition unless you're a receiver or a back (I don't think you play flag football to really build fitness). So if it was introduced to the public through the same organizations that set up flag football competitions, especially as a way to get fit, sure.

Plus this is something I bet a lot of parents wouldn't mind seeing their kids do over American football or soccer. Football still trumps soccer in this country; there's still some resistance to soccer because it seems aimless to a lot of American eyes (although that's changing). But more and more parents are wary of letting their kids participate in something that, by junior high, becomes a regular series slow-speed car crashes. Something like viva 7s incorporates all the running that the soccer moms want their runts doing before dinner, and is close enough to American football that those parents would understand it more intuitively. And again, Olympic distinction.

Those are my thoughts on it. USARugger might be a better person to ask, because he's more involved with rugby circles around here.

But man, I'd play, and I'm getting old.
 
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