Hore's brain-fart

[ChargerWA]

I actually don't get the vitriol? Clearly a deliberate swinging arm but I suspect the intent was just to give him a touch up and friendly reminder to not get caught on the wrong side of the ruck. I doubt vey much his intent was to knock the bloke out, unluckily for them both it must have caught him at a vunerable point and dropped him.

That could have just as easily given him a ringing ear and pissed him off. If the guy hadn't have gone down it would have been a yellow at worst.

 

[It is what it is]

I actually don't get the vitriol? Clearly a deliberate swinging arm but I suspect the intent was just to give him a touch up and friendly reminder to not get caught on the wrong side of the ruck. I doubt vey much his intent was to knock the bloke out, unluckily for them both it must have caught him at a vunerable point and dropped him.

That could have just as easily given him a ringing ear and pissed him off. If the guy hadn't have gone down it would have been a yellow at worst.

I didn't see it that way.
It looked bad and I'd feel the same way about the incident irregardless of it being committed by a veteran All Black or a rookie from any country.

 

[Bardon]

ADDENDUM: Will this effectively mean a 1 match suspension? So he could get 20 weeks and still have the same result. Surely the IRB can fix this nonsense and move to matches instead of weeks.

There's already provision in the laws to use either games or weeks but games are rarely used. Hopefully this will be one case where games are used if using weeks would indeed result in an effective 1 game ban.

Shouldn't there be more use of the White Card from the referee and AR's?

How long before TMO is given powers to review possible acts of foul play (if for no other reason than to help identify the number of the "guilty bastard"?

I haven't read the findings of the Simmons case, but you feel that the sentence would have been less if he was Red or Yellow Carded during the game.

The referee (Owens, IIRC) was pretty sure that a cardable offence had occurred, just not who deserved to get sent. A quick glance at the big screen while he was waiting for the Captains to come forward would have assisted him identify the player number without having to go upstairs to TMO.

HJ this is already being trialed in the Aviva Premiership with the TMO's role including referrals for incidents of foul play. Not only can the TMO identify the guilty party but they can also advise on the level of sanction the same way that ARs can presently.

These tests are using the TMO-lite trials which only extends the TMOs powers to include the run up to a try being scored. I believe they're the same as the trials in Pro12 and Heineken Cup. Hopefully the full expansion of the TMO role is adopted once the trials have been concluded.

 

[kiap]

There's already provision in the laws to use either games or weeks but games are rarely used. Hopefully this will be one case where games are used if using weeks would indeed result in an effective 1 game ban.

I think they can also specify the starting date for a suspension in weeks.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

That is a ridiculous post.

It's logic is beyond you, I accept.



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[hawktrain]

Interesting idea about it from one of my team mates today: he said that he thought Hore did it because the Welsh player was in a position he shouldn't have been in (i.e. in the direct line of the ruck where NZ players would be entering), and that it was quite similar to rucking, in that using the boot on a player is illegal just as a high shot is, but it is a way of telling an opponent that he is somewhere he shouldn't be, and not to be there again.

Not sure if I agree, but I can see his point and thought it was an interesting one.

 

[Mank]

It's logic is beyond you, I accept.

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Now you've played the man, not the ball. Your post is absurd, there is no logic. You cannot appeal to indiscretions that don't exist to prove a point.

 

[No4918]

Second 100 page thread in the making??

 

[boyo]

Some people are going ballistic about this incident on the gwlad (Welsh equivalent of GAGR) website.

 

[gel]

<snip>but it is a way of telling an opponent that he is somewhere he shouldn't be, and not to be there again.<snip>

By attempting to break his jaw? That's a pretty strong way to send a message. :S

I sort of get at what your mate is talking about (the "get out of the way" bit), but the method was just wrong on so many levels.

I would be interested to hear what your mate thinks of what Greyling did to Richie McCaw's jaw given that (by his logic) it is exactly the same situation. I.E. an opposition player being in the wrong position and another dude sending him a message not to be there again.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Now you've played the man, not the ball. Your post is absurd, there is no logic. You cannot appeal to indiscretions that don't exist to prove a point.

Much goes on that none of us ever know of: pommy captains snub of sharpe at the end of the test, is a good recent example of something that can only be explained on the basis of something not seen.
You say "oh it's most out if character". Your basis: youve never seen him do anything similar.
People have inherent personality traits.
The action of the weekend betrays a flawed character.
It would be unusual, in the extreme, if this were the first time such a profoundly flawed character had manifested itself.



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[Hugh Jarse]

Second 100 page thread in the making??

Nah, 20 pages if it is lucky.

 

[DannyC]

Much goes on that none of us ever know of: pommy captains snub of sharpe at the end of the test, is a good recent example of something that can only be explained on the basis of something not seen.
You say "oh it's most out if character". Your basis: youve never seen him do anything similar.
People have inherent personality traits.
The action of the weekend betrays a flawed character.
It would be unusual, in the extreme, if this were the first time such a profoundly flawed character had manifested itself.



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Are you saying Sharpe also has a "flawed character"?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

It seemed that there was plenty of niggle going on in the match.

Looks like we we the only mugs to retaliate in a manner that the cameras could catch.

The director loved his super slo-mo sequences. It was almost as if he was one of those Arthouse Cinema directors rather than from a sports background.

Timani was a bit of a liability in that game. When/if he is outed for x no of games, can we count that as one of the games?

 

[Mank]

Much goes on that none of us ever know of: pommy captains snub of sharpe at the end of the test, is a good recent example of something that can only be explained on the basis of something not seen.
You say "oh it's most out if character". Your basis: youve never seen him do anything similar.
People have inherent personality traits.
The action of the weekend betrays a flawed character.

Every human being has a flawed character. People make mistakes. Your flaw is probably that you can't accept that.

I'll leave it now, this won't go anywhere. And I already +1'd Cyclopath's earlier post that sums up my view of the incident.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Are you saying Sharpe also has a "flawed character"?

We'll never know what happened: we do know it didn't injure Robshaw.
I havent seen any attempt to defend Meads which is a refreshing change for those from across the ditch.
Zinzan struggled:

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Good Clip IS.

There is interesting leadup footage that I hadn't seen previously where the Welshman was running interference lines on Gimli (a little too effectively as it turns out) in the kick chase. One can sense his frustration, but that does in no way excuse the actions taken in retribution.

 

[Bon]

The swinging arm action was the wrong option.

 

[Ignoto]

Perhaps with his time off Gimli can be given time off to fight Quade in February? Who knows, it might knock some sense into QC (Quade Cooper).

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

We'll never know what happened: we do know it didn't injure Robshaw.
I havent seen any attempt to defend Meads which is a refreshing change for those from across the ditch.
Zinzan struggled:

yeah, that Meads is a right bastard, isnt he.

Can't see Zinny being in a hurry to be back on that show - said his piece, said unforgivable, not part of the game etc and then that host just goes on and one... At least Guscott got some perspective.