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Gits quits

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John Thornett (49)
Isn't the most worrying thing about this episode that it suggests Giteau is calling the shots on a pretty critical strategic aspect of Wallabies play? Is this why he wasn't relieved of duties sooner? I don't want to overstate the point, but it is worrying given his average form in general play.

This rugby, not politics. Giteau isn't a Minister being asked to fall on his own sword. If he is no longer the goalkicker, it should be the coach who makes the call.
 
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Bob Davidson (42)
I agree with Gnostic about Giteau being stuffed around by coaches.

I am, however, worried about Robbie Deans who talks about competition in positions and selection so much but then comes out and says he will not drop Giteau. That Giteau is immune to the sack. Sends a bad message out to the squad in my opinion.
 
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Mark Ella (57)
Drop gits to the Bench. When Horne is fit make him 12, that would be perfect. Hard straight runner, good offloader and distributor, should work well with QC (Quade Cooper) not to mention how strong the centre pairing with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be. And apparenlty he has experience at 12 plus with beale at fullback, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has got to be in the team and 13 is his best postion, his distribution skills are improving too. HORNE FOR 12!
 
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John Eales (66)
Why do that when Barnes slots straight in? If we are going to have AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13, then I think we need a distributor at 12. We have that setup now and I see no reason to change that formation other than adding some defensive starch, which Berrick offers.
 
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Peter Sullivan (51)
The_Brown_Hornet said:
Why do that when Barnes slots straight in? If we are going to have AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13, then I think we need a distributor at 12. We have that setup now and I see no reason to change that formation other than adding some defensive starch, which Berrick offers.
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Why? With Beale at 15 and JOC (James O'Connor) at 14 you have 4 distributors in the backline (Cooper, Genia). Someone's got to take the ball forward the hard way. Besides, Horne has the offloading game that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) doesn't.

I'm a big Barnesy fan, but someone has to finish the moves that the distributors set up.

Edit; another point is the long passing game of Cooper: in the AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) try on the weekend, he cut out Giteau and went to the ball runner, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). Then in the Mitchell try in the second half, he cut Giteau again and threw to Beale on the burst. Why have a distributor if you're going to cut him out in the most venomous backline moves? Wouldn't a legitimate ball runner like Horne sell the play better?
 
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"It was 100% my decision."

Bit desperate. Is Giteau's standing among the players starting to wobble?
 
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If you read the papers Horne might be injured until may next year so as an option he wont be ready any time soon
 
DPK

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Peter Sullivan (51)
By club do you mean Super? O'Connor hasn't played 14 at the Super level. Giteau hadn't even played Super rugby when he was picked.

Deans has previously said that the number on a players back is merely a formality and they'll play wherever the play dictates. Horne and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be switching around the same as first reciever does.

Which brings us back to Giteau; Horne had 5/6 goes, but clearly Deans is keen on giving players even more rope than that, the example being Giteau.

If Deans picks Horne at 12 I'll back him.
 
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Brumbies Guy said:
Horne's had 5/6 go's at test level and shown nothing in his prefered position 13; he hasn't even played 12 at Super level has he? Give someone else a go. Fainga'a first.
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He never get the ball, as Giteau crabbed sideways and/or cut him. He was solid in defence and on the rare occasion he DID get the ball, he usually did well (against Fiji he made a great break, for instance). I'm not saying he played like a world beater, but his opportunities were limited. I am a massive Rob Horne fan and think he deserves to be given further opportunity, if he can just stay uninjured.
 
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David Codey (61)
Why are so many posters taking Gits statement as gospel?
Of course Deans gave him the option to save face & quit as kicker.
Of course Deans defends him when asked pointed questions as to Gits fate. You can't be the coach and be hanging shit on members of your leadership group publicly at the start of a tour.
No doubt BB will start as a mid weeker & get his chance that way.
and yes I agree it has taken Deans a long time to get to this stage.
 
Scotty

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David Codey (61)
I have also suggest the Horne at 12 option previously. He has all the skills to play there, and the directness we need at IC. But as with everything Horne, it is injury dependent.
 
Brumbies Guy

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John Solomon (38)
The Konze said:
By club do you mean Super? O'Connor hasn't played 14 at the Super level. Giteau hadn't even played Super rugby when he was picked.

Deans has previously said that the number on a players back is merely a formality and they'll play wherever the play dictates. Horne and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be switching around the same as first reciever does.

Which brings us back to Giteau; Horne had 5/6 goes, but clearly Deans is keen on giving players even more rope than that, the example being Giteau.

If Deans picks Horne at 12 I'll back him.
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You can't compare Giteau to Horne in terms of Deans given him extra rope. Giteau's prime has warranted the leeway, where in his prime he was 1 of the world's best. So far Hornes prime meant he could manage 80mins without breaking down.

I'm sure most wouldn't complain if a fit Horne was given a crack, but at this stage there is a whole line up of 12's waiting in Giteau's shadow in Fainga'a, Barnes and JOC (James O'Connor)
 
Scarfman

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
This debate about 12 / 13 is interesting, given that the ABs play their crashballer at 12 and their more versatile player at 13.

Actually, the whole Nonu-Smith combination has never really worked for me. I think our system is better. but if we're looking to recuit 12s, I think you guys should be talking JOC (James O'Connor).

(P.S. Horne is out for a long while - best of luck to the fella but he's got to put in half a dozen monster rounds in "SuperRugby" to be taken seriously again.
 
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Do we really need to play someone out of position when we've already got three very good options with different attributes?
 
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