Giteau Spitting Dummy again???

[ntrugby10]

Wouldn't matter to me too much if he left. He's obviously got one eye on French rugby anyway, and doesn't seem to really have that much pride in the Wallabies, compared to players like Pocock and Beale. and when was the last time he won a game for us? in fact, when was the last time he made a decent linebreak?

 

[Slim 293]

Right now it's easy for people to do nothing more but put him down and wish him away...

I'm not going to do that...

I would rather he regained his past form... wouldn't that be a better outcome?

At best our backline goes up a notch... at worst it remains at the quality it was last night...

 

[Richo]

Of course that would be a better outcome than him retiring. In his day he was fantastic. But he hasn't been close to it for well over a year (maybe two? three?).

Giteau finding form can't come at the expense of the team getting better. Barnes played a great game alongside Cooper in Perth and, on the basis of form, Giteau should not have got his spot back for the next test. Finally, we finish the season on a high with the same 9, 10, 12 line-up that started the year on a high against England.

 

[Ham]

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Well done sir.

 

[Nusadan]

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Just realised...you forgot the mo....

 

[Rothschild]

Interesting discussion this ......
I remember a time, not too long ago, when it appeared that the wobblies were basically run by gits, gregan, smith and mortlock. then deans came on the scene, and wanted the boys to have a trial game against each other, but it seems the lads wanted to be paid for the inconvenience. I think that was the turning point to a new renaissance. I feel that turning point was the start of a new lot of players being brought thru. Pocock, genia, quade, digby, simmo, slipper, kurtley, higgs et al.
u gotta give robbie credit, he has rebuilt the team, moved the cheese. the older boys have served their country well, but i feel may have been a bit resistant to change, to adapt to the deans way of playing the game. as I recall, there was a bit of a hoo haa, guys were told the way it was now gonna be done. gits hung on to his slot, and has had plenty of opportunity to deliver, but whilst undoubtedly talented, has lost a bit of spark and unpredictability, and has accordingly and rightly been dropped. you didnt see sook spitting the dummy. what did he do? he dug in deeper, and played his way into a starting 12 slot. well done to him. the onus is now on gits to get himself to a newer higher level. but, he is one of the last of the old guard, who resisted change, but the planet spins. I dont have the balls to be a kicker, but gits has cost us a few winnable games, with kickable kicks being missed. never an easy job, but based on form he HAD to be dropped. what remains to be seen now, is how he responds to the challenge. lift his game, or take the money way out to france........either way, I take my hat off to robbie, I for one think he has done much good, with limited stocks of players, considering our depth, he has performed brilliantly, and great lessons are being learnt along the way. I hope it all comes together for 2011, and I hope robbie stays on.......

There is an awful lot of merit in what you say there dog.
Giteau lost it for me when he dummy spit the FORCE. i realise he lost a lot of money but he also went there to do a job and you could see his demeanpr change dramatically once there were problems.
Like all Oz rugby fans i really wish him the return od form, however I can't escape the notion that it is now all about Gits and he will do and say whatever is required to promote his cause, not the natin's cause.
Deans has done the right thing, notwithstanding it should have been done a long time ago. By holding onto him for so long I fear it was a tacit approval of Giteau's style and maybe he fell into a trap. if he had been dropped say this time last year when things were also not so sweet for him, he ,ay have fought his way back.
i fear now it may be a lost cause - I sincerely hope not. Time will be the only teller here .

 

[Brumbies Guy]

There is an awful lot of merit in what you say there dog.
Giteau lost it for me when he dummy spit the FORCE. i realise he lost a lot of money but he also went there to do a job and you could see his demeanpr change dramatically once there were problems.
Like all Oz rugby fans i really wish him the return od form, however I can't escape the notion that it is now all about Gits and he will do and say whatever is required to promote his cause, not the natin's cause.
Deans has done the right thing, notwithstanding it should have been done a long time ago. By holding onto him for so long I fear it was a tacit approval of Giteau's style and maybe he fell into a trap. if he had been dropped say this time last year when things were also not so sweet for him, he ,ay have fought his way back.
i fear now it may be a lost cause - I sincerely hope not. Time will be the only teller here .

Could be the perfect time to drop him. Last test of the year, now he has this in the back of his mind as motivation all through preseason and Super 15 which is plenty of time to refresh and come back strong. It also send a message out to the other incumbents that they'll need to maintain their form in the lead up to RWC next year during Super 15.

 

[JJJ]

Deans has done the right thing, notwithstanding it should have been done a long time ago. By holding onto him for so long I fear it was a tacit approval of Giteau's style and maybe he fell into a trap. if he had been dropped say this time last year when things were also not so sweet for him, he ,ay have fought his way back.

I suspect that if he'd been dropped on form a year ago he would've immediately buggered off to France. Now the world cup is close enough that he'll probably stick around for it. He seems to respond far better to carrots than to sticks these days, and the WC and (vice) captaincy are really the only ones the ARU have left to offer him.

 

[Burke's Boot]

Where did it all go wrong with this guy as he was awesome when he first turned up at 12 during the 2003 S12 and quickly knocked Pat Howard out of the side who had just got the English club player of the year award for his work at the Tigers? The crabbing across field and suffocating his outside men especially is dreadful.

 

[chief]

I think Giteau has just had so much pressure to perform, and he obviously has confidence issues. I think the Giteau we used to know didn't try so hard when he was playing it all used to come naturally. Now he's been trying too hard, we've seen it with his kicking and his playing, he's trying to find gaps, and break the line of defense. I think this S15 we will see Giteau back to his best, if he's played at Inside Centre with Tomooua or Lealifano at Flyhalf. Giteau is the best inside centre in the world when he's on form, and it would delight me to see him back to his best.

 

[Clawhammer]

I don't think any would argue that Gits' form hasn't dropped markedly in the last couple of years. I find it interesting though that he attracts a certain level of vitriol that other players don't (with the exception of GG). He's apparently selfish, money-hungry, takes no pride in playing for the Wallabies and regularly spits the dummy. Is there actually any evidence for any of this? Or is just a continuation of the 'we hate the Canberra players' mentality? By all means criticise his form, but casting aspersions on his character is a bit unfair given I'm assuming nobody actually knows what is going on in his head.

In any case, as has been mentioned by others, it's up to him to regain form during the S15 and if he doesn't he provides good cover on the bench.

 

[Rothschild]

For mine, since when do you need motivation to represent your country. Once you lose that you shouldn't be there - shades of that Olympic Swimmer who's head wasn't right = I think 2000 when she said - "Oh well, I better go compete, don't want to but I better" or something very akin to that.

 

[Burke's Boot]

Reddy! deserves some sort of Photoshop Award for that masterpiece.

 

[Burke's Boot]

Somebody should send Giteau a link to that pic via his Twitter account: http://twitter.com/giteau_rugby

as it might finally get through to him. Noddy Reg, you're a prolific Twitter boy...

 

[Groucho]

I don't think any would argue that Gits' form hasn't dropped markedly in the last couple of years. I find it interesting though that he attracts a certain level of vitriol that other players don't (with the exception of GG). He's apparently selfish, money-hungry, takes no pride in playing for the Wallabies and regularly spits the dummy. Is there actually any evidence for any of this? Or is just a continuation of the 'we hate the Canberra players' mentality? By all means criticise his form, but casting aspersions on his character is a bit unfair given I'm assuming nobody actually knows what is going on in his head.

In any case, as has been mentioned by others, it's up to him to regain form during the S15 and if he doesn't he provides good cover on the bench.

No one I've spoken to who knows him, has ever said anything other than he is a great team man.

I was at a Gordon lunch just after "that photo" of him looking sulky with Deans was published, and the player mood was completely supportive of Giteau.

 

[TheTruth]

For mine, since when do you need motivation to represent your country. Once you lose that you shouldn't be there - shades of that Olympic Swimmer who's head wasn't right = I think 2000 when she said - "Oh well, I better go compete, don't want to but I better" or something very akin to that.

Damm right Rothy

 

[daz]

I suspect that if he'd been dropped on form a year ago he would've immediately buggered off to France. Now the world cup is close enough that he'll probably stick around for it. He seems to respond far better to carrots than to sticks these days, and the WC and (vice) captaincy are really the only ones the ARU have left to offer him.

Does this not seem to be shades of Sharpe? Dropped due to poor form, the man had two options: Sulk and become an ex-Wallaby, or get on with things and become the premier lock in Australian rugby.

We know what Sharpe did and huge respect to the man for that. Let's hope Gits takes a leaf out of Sharpies book....

Like it or not, we need Gits on song and in the team contributing, even if on the bench as an impact player/cover for Barnes. I see no benefit to our 2011 campaign by letting him walk away (or pushing him out the door) at this point.

 

[Scotty]

I don't see any harm on his current form of letting him walk away. He is far from irreplaceable, and some of the other options (eg JOC (James O'Connor)) have much greater potential.

 

[Richo]

Pretty simple, really. He can't be coddled back to form, so he needs to find it. He's been given a good chance to do that in a Wallaby jersey - a ludicrous chance, actually - and hasn't got there. Time for a break.

If he finds that world-beating form again, I'll be stoked to cheer him back into the team. But at the moment we have too many players who are simply better than him RIGHT NOW, even if they're not in some mythical world of comparing their best form ever.

 

[Newb]

gits has had that bit of magic about him in the past and has been a match winner. and rightly pointed out, his form/skills have slipped recently.

perhaps that is what makes him still a brilliant super14/15 player but not up to international standards. he hasn't been for some time. can he get it back though?

a great run of form for the brumbies could be the worst thing for the wobs. he gets his spot back, potentially blocking the progress again of barnes/horne//jo'c/AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)/whoever, and once again bombs on the international scene.

it'd be superb if the gits of years past came back to life, but how sure are we he isn't dead and gone for good?