Galloping Greens

[qwerty51]

Wouldn't be too down on the Wicks, I said they'd do well to get within 40. Very young inexperienced backline against the top side backlash.

 

[Dave Beat]

Macca, I was nervous about today, best part of the day was our D in thirds. 2nd v 3rd on the table and our line got crossed off the ruck in the corner. Wicks spent about 20 minutes in our 22 after oranges and D held.

 

[Pete King]

Were you the bloke that tried to argue against Randwick's underdog status today? Thats as sensible as leaving the porch light on in case Harold Holt turns up.
Nice work today by the Ref. Not. Manly had a player binned for collapsing a maul on the try line when we were on the attack - same thing in the second half except Wicks were the offenders - this time the Ref awards a penalty try for Manly as well as a yellow card. That about sums that Ref up. He should be refereeing 2nds next week. No consistency and only one eye open.
Manly went well and I will be pleased to see them win the Comp.
Losing both our centres within the first 2 minutes wasn't helpful.
We finished with our Colts Hooker playing inside centre as well as having 2 players in the bin at once.
In the (dire) circumstances, thought we battled away well and were competitive for a long way.

brogan off early?

 

[It is what it is]

Sorry Macca but a 48 - 0 loss does not represent being "competitive for a long way". You score zero points and they put nearly 50 on you.

 

[Dave Beat]

Sorry Macca but a 48 - 0 loss does not represent being "competitive for a long way". You score zero points and they put nearly 50 on you.

He did say one eye though.

The penalty try, well 2 players could have been binned there - G was going to score and Wicks traveled around both sides almost creating an eclipse at the back of the maul.

The second binning not sure so can't comment.
Marlins had a binning as well, thought it was odd we had a scrum on there line. A scrum that had destroyed wicks for most of the day, and we cop a penalty.

Refing ain't easy and I thought it was okay

 

[MACCA]

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Sorry Macca but a 48 - 0 loss does not represent being "competitive for a long way". You score zero points and they put nearly 50 on you.

Far point - the score did blow out though & there were a lot of soft tries when the guys were in the bin. Manly's first three tries came after consecutive penalties against Randwick.

 

[sidelinesid]

Disruption disruption disruption.
Even the final team sheets were being changed at the first whistle and at one point the photographer was almost drafted on the wing for fourths.
The pleasing thing about fourths is that despite the draftees and out of position players everyone had a crack and certainly gave the manly coach a fright judging by the shrill calls from the trees.
Thirds was much the same as was seconds but as Mr Beat alluded to earlier, Manly's defence was very good, and that coupled with their organisational standard enabled them to take each game. Wicks tried hard and a few mentions in despatchs should include Kaspereck and Taighe in two's , Kelly and Kite in threes and O'Harra in fours.

First grade were up against it from the start and losing their already disrupted midfield early did not help defence lines against a very organised set of backs. The manly winger in particular caused more problems than a referee.
The Nil hurts but lessons will be carried into the future and a few more men will be able to say 'I played first grade' as long as no score is mentioned.

Wicks are giving away too many penalties at the breakdown and offside.
They will need to address this if they want to have a serious crack in the next few games.

 

[Dave Beat]

Disruption disruption disruption.
Even the final team sheets were being changed at the first whistle and at one point the photographer was almost drafted on the wing for fourths.
The pleasing thing about fourths is that despite the draftees and out of position players everyone had a crack and certainly gave the manly coach a fright judging by the shrill calls from the trees.
Thirds was much the same as was seconds but as Mr Beat alluded to earlier, Manly's defence was very good, and that coupled with their organisational standard enabled them to take each game. Wicks tried hard and a few mentions in despatchs should include Kaspereck and Taighe in two's , Kelly and Kite in threes and O'Harra in fours.

First grade were up against it from the start and losing their already disrupted midfield early did not help defence lines against a very organised set of backs. The manly winger in particular caused more problems than a referee.
The Nil hurts but lessons will be carried into the future and a few more men will be able to say 'I played first grade' as long as no score is mentioned.

Wicks are giving away too many penalties at the breakdown and offside.
They will need to address this if they want to have a serious crack in the next few games.

See, this is third tier rugby, posters get down for all grades. I even hear Sayley make it across for set up and early morning bbq & beers??? - it doesn't get much better.
Plus Aus sevens coach and Clarkey enjoyed the day.

 

[pstoe]

Sorry Macca but a 48 - 0 loss does not represent being "competitive for a long way". You score zero points and they put nearly 50 on you.

So Kelly's last hurrah was to rest his 'injured' GPS babe's Horwitz, Deegan and Kellaway. Though they were not injured. Because he knew Randwick had no chance he didn't want to risk an injury to them. I know how the other players felt about this -livid ! What does this tell you about this club and how it favours players. Good riddance to Kelly and hopefully we can have a fair and equitable selection process next year based on performance and not school.

 

[Dave Beat]

So Kelly's last hurrah was to rest his 'injured' GPS babe's Horwitz, Deegan and Kellaway. Though they were not injured. Because he knew Randwick had no chance he didn't want to risk an injury to them. I know how the other players felt about this -livid ! What does this tell you about this club and how it favours players. Good riddance to Kelly and hopefully we can have a fair and equitable selection process next year based on performance and not school.

If true that is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing how Kellaway handled grade given he now appears to have a Tahs contact. Northam showed him how it's done - on the paddock.

 

[Pete King]

. Good riddance to Kelly and hopefully we can have a fair and equitable selection process next year based on performance and not school.

Unfortunately at all levels of Rugby you are going to have coaches who favour some players over others. This can be based on a number of different variables in the case in point you refer to being previous association. By the same vein you could liken it to Steve Hoiles inclusion in the waratah set up this year under his former premiership randwick winning coach Michael Chieka. Would he have been included under another coach probably not in reality. But similar to the situation you mention I would argue that Hoilesy has been a superb addition and adds heaps of value to the waratahs (hope he goes further to proving my point tonight).

In the case of Kelly I think you could hardly argue with the selections of Kellaway, Deegan, Horwitz over others. These are young promising guys who 2 are now contracted to the Waratahs.

Has Kelly brought alot of guys to the club from GPS...YES... are they good promising players ... absolutely. Like it or not the GPS comp is a powerful rugby nursery (I attended a CAS school)

Probably the one that I have been a bit disillusioned with has been Harry at half but seriously that would be the only one.

Whoever the new coach is not everyone is going to be happy with the selections made.

Is Kelly the greatest coach of all time, no. Have I agreed with all his selection ... no. Is the club in a much better place then when he arrived.. Yes and by a long way.

 

[pstoe]

Unfortunately at all levels of Rugby you are going to have coaches who favour some players over others. This can be based on a number of different variables in the case in point you refer to being previous association. By the same vein you could liken it to Steve Hoiles inclusion in the waratah set up this year under his former premiership randwick winning coach Michael Chieka. Would he have been included under another coach probably not in reality. But similar to the situation you mention I would argue that Hoilesy has been a superb addition and adds heaps of value to the waratahs (hope he goes further to proving my point tonight).

In the case of Kelly I think you could hardly argue with the selections of Kellaway, Deegan, Horwitz over others. These are young promising guys who 2 are now contracted to the Waratahs.

Has Kelly brought alot of guys to the club from GPS.YES. are they good promising players . absolutely. Like it or not the GPS comp is a powerful rugby nursery (I attended a CAS school)

Probably the one that I have been a bit disillusioned with has been Harry at half but seriously that would be the only one.

Whoever the new coach is not everyone is going to be happy with the selections made.

Is Kelly the greatest coach of all time, no. Have I agreed with all his selection . no. Is the club in a much better place then when he arrived.. Yes and by a long way.

I don't disagree Kellaway is a class player and Deegan is developing. Horewitz has been good in one game all season and is generally regarded as a shirker who doesnt get involved particularly in defence. can't understand all the hype about him and have to put his waratah contract down to other factors. His value add is he trains well but on the paddock very average. There are several better young 10s , Ayoub and the guy from SDS to name 2. There are also better players internally for 10.

One of this however is relevant to resting these players and sends a clear message to the rest. As you know the player exodus is revving up.... @ dave beat -yes this is true.

 

[Pete King]

I don't disagree Kellaway is a class player and Deegan is developing. Horewitz has been good in one game all season and is generally regarded as a shirker who doesnt get involved particularly in defence. can't understand all the hype about him and have to put his waratah contract down to other factors. His value add is he trains well but on the paddock very average. There are several better young 10s , Ayoub and the guy from SDS to name 2. There are also better players internally for 10.

One of this however is relevant to resting these players and sends a clear message to the rest. As you know the player exodus is revving up.. @ dave beat -yes this is true.

Horwitz hasnt played alot of footy for Randwick this year with the 20's etc. There have been a few used in his absence and I would say confidentally none have made the position their own. Who internally is clearly better? I dont think he is a Wallaby in waiting but he was solid last year 1 year out of school.

humour me Stoey what are "the other factors" that would have Michael Chieka sign him??

In regards to the relevance my post was in response to your comments re " Good riddance to Kelly and hopefully we can have a fair and equitable selection process next year based on performance and not school."
I dont know anything about the players rested so havent commented

 

[MACCA]

Horwitz hasnt played alot of footy for Randwick this year with the 20's etc. There have been a few used in his absence and I would say confidentally none have made the position their own. Who internally is clearly better? I dont think he is a Wallaby in waiting but he was solid last year 1 year out of school.

humour me Stoey what are "the other factors" that would have Michael Chieka sign him??

In regards to the relevance my post was in response to your comments re " Good riddance to Kelly and hopefully we can have a fair and equitable selection process next year based on performance and not school."
I dont know anything about the players rested so havent commented

PSTOE - Kellaway was hurt. Horwitz mildly injured at training & was pulled by the Tahs.Dont know about Deegan. Give it a rest pstoe - Kelly gave plenty of blokes a go including Oli & has been good for the club.

 

[George Hipwall]

I'm like a broken record, however using 2012 as the base line the club under Wade has improved in so many areas. To say good riddance to the change, structure and performance improvement he bought to the club sounds like sour grapes.

To have relationships with the likes of Scots and Waverley colleges as 2 major talent pools to draw from can only be good for the club.

To have the improved off field coaching and rehab resources and staff that have been bought in can only be good for the club.

To attract quality first grade players to the club plus the improve the juniors and current lower grade players into first grade quality can only improve the depth of playing talent at the club.

The board, from the outside, seem to have more clout and clarity to allow the coach to implement what he has and assist him with the scholarships and cash from the plethora of sponsors can only be good for the club.

He deserves a show of respect from the supporter base for what he's done to improve the club. They are great to watch from 4th grade to 1st grade with their style of play. They compete each week - win more then they lose.

For mine, there is a solid foundation laid for the next coach to come in and build and improve on, whomever that may be. A better base than what was there in 2012.

 

[BIgz20]

Disruption disruption disruption.
Even the final team sheets were being changed at the first whistle and at one point the photographer was almost drafted on the wing for fourths.
The pleasing thing about fourths is that despite the draftees and out of position players everyone had a crack and certainly gave the manly coach a fright judging by the shrill calls from the trees.
Thirds was much the same as was seconds but as Mr Beat alluded to earlier, Manly's defence was very good, and that coupled with their organisational standard enabled them to take each game. Wicks tried hard and a few mentions in despatchs should include Kaspereck and Taighe in two's , Kelly and Kite in threes and O'Harra in fours.

First grade were up against it from the start and losing their already disrupted midfield early did not help defence lines against a very organised set of backs. The manly winger in particular caused more problems than a referee.
The Nil hurts but lessons will be carried into the future and a few more men will be able to say 'I played first grade' as long as no score is mentioned.

Wicks are giving away too many penalties at the breakdown and offside.
They will need to address this if they want to have a serious crack in the next few games.

Did not get to the first grade game on sat and looks like the squads struggled again. Wicks have the 3rd last attack stats in the whole comp. Wouldn't expect that. Lets hope the kids can bring it home...

 

[Brian Westlake]

PSTOE - Kellaway was hurt. Horwitz mildly injured at training & was pulled by the Tahs.Dont know about Deegan. Give it a rest pstoe - Kelly gave plenty of blokes a go including Oli & has been good for the club.

I spoke with Andrew Deegan on the weekend. he made a commitment to get to the Aus schoolboys and then said he was heading to watch Wicks Colts. He is injured. A very big aspersion to cast upon three good young men though,pstoe

 

[Hans]

A great shame that Wade has chosen to move on. Has done some wonderful things at Randwick that im sure everyone will begin to notice in the next 3-4 years, provided the current administration can keep the boys there.

Watch the Randwick Colts, they will push Uni all the way this year, and don/t be surprised to see them dominate next years colts competition and have another flood of quality young boys come through. Worth noting that Randwick secured more Australian Schoolboys in 2014 then another club. Whilst repeating this in 2015 will be difficult, if they can sustain the links with Scots and Waverly and piggyback off their rugby programs, Randwick will be a powerhouse before you know it.

Im predicting a Randwick Shute Shield win in 2017!! Called it here first.

 

[Brian Westlake]

^^^^^ Brave statement. And I think Kelly's legacy with the Colts will continue.

 

[I like to watch]

Did Kelly do much hands on stuff with the colts?