G&GR Wallaby player of the Year: Boks

[Epi]

i would prefer sheehan to come back in at this point to both of them.

I just wanted to quote that... No reason really.

The reason there's so much 'Genia is God' feeling around here is not based on the last 10 minutes of each tri-nations. It is based on the Super 14 season where it was clear that Genia was by far the form half of the comp. If he didn't get injured he was the starting half for the Wallabies in my book and many others.

I've got a lot of time for Burgo but it's pretty clear that he has the slowest and most inconsistent pass in international rugby to most judges. Lynagh, Kafer, Kearns etc. etc. Genia is not God, and he will fuck up, but his pass gives the Wallaby backline the best chance of getting good ball and more time.

 

[waratahjesus]

for mine, burgo is the best bench half in the country, if he came on with 20 to go he would win games for us, i think he is a great halfback behind a great pack, but then every half back is. he isnt slow, but he has been inconsistant. Genias pass is often at the man and not in front. for mine once again, he has taken the wrong option more than a handful of times in the last couple of weeks. be it he was called to or he did it himself it shows a lack of vision and i dont want to see him starting for that reason. were getting hammered at the breakdown and i actually think Sheehan might be our best starting bet currently, he is strong, is playing well for warringah and hasnt been coached by john mitchell yet so he still has a chance to improve.

 

[Scotty]

Genia should start, he is unlikely to be a revelation, but at least he is likely to improve. Burgess has been given several opportunities, and as yet he has not shown the ability to get any better and both decision making and skills are letting him down. We can't pick a half because he has a reasonable running game and is strong in defense (which Genia has both of anyway).

This is the main problem with continuing to start Burgess - he hasn't got any better, and at his age it doesn't look likely he will. Genia is considerably younger, and has less experience so at least he has much greater potential - time to see if he can bring it to fruition.

 

[Reddy!]

No one is really saying that "Genia is God", it's just that Burgess is terrible and it's time to replace him with Genia due to the reasons Scotty mentioned above.

 

[louie]

If he starts and he fails you will still say he is better than burgo and that is crap.

don't be so arrogant as put words in my mouth a week before anything even happened. your the only person trying to stand up for him.

Burgess - has the worst job in Australian sport. I have no objections to Genia getting more experience and a couple of starts under his belt but hope Burgess isn't scapegoated.

That's about as close as you'll get to naza saying burgos form is rubbish.

watch the tape from last night. your god had the ball from a perfect scrum and still the pill went to the feet of the receiver. you come on here after every game and say "oh the other team was tired" or "genia was just getting better ball!"
have you ever considered that maybe genia is better at organizing the forwards and has a passing game that puts them on the front foot? It's a lot harder for teams on defense to commit more men to the breakdown if there line is moving backwards. genia start this happening.

Burgo is slow and labored at the break down.
i'm not saying he should be dumped. i think his running game and tackling are awesome. but i can't remember a time this year when he used either of them to have an effect on the game.

 

[Scotty]

Burgess was good last week. But one game out of four isn't good enough.

TahJ is a little bit one eyed when it comes to Tah players.

 

[disco]

I've noticed that we (the wobs) seem to rack up the phases when Genia is on as he doesn't just get to the ruck & fire away even if he get's quick ball he isn't just passing to an isolated ball runner.

 

[Epi]

I've noticed that we (the wobs) seem to rack up the phases when Genia is on as he doesn't just get to the ruck & fire away even if he get's quick ball he isn't just passing to an isolated ball runner.

And also... notice when the Boks start counter rucking he secures the ball by getting in there rather than watching. Happened a few times last night which allowed us to string some phases together.

 

[fatprop]

Burgess was good last week. But one game out of four isn't good enough.

TahJ is a little bit one eyed when it comes to Tah players.

It would be good to see Genia to start, it will be interesting to see how he copes with gormless runners and rubbish ball.

 

[rugbywhisperer]

I loved his flat(ter) rapid passes, the backs were on the front foot going forward when he came on

 

[fatprop]

3 Robinson
2 Gits @ 12
1 Chisolm

 

[waratahjesus]

If he starts and he fails you will still say he is better than burgo and that is crap.

don't be so arrogant as put words in my mouth a week before anything even happened. your the only person trying to stand up for him.

Burgess - has the worst job in Australian sport. I have no objections to Genia getting more experience and a couple of starts under his belt but hope Burgess isn't scapegoated.

That's about as close as you'll get to naza saying burgos form is rubbish.

watch the tape from last night. your god had the ball from a perfect scrum and still the pill went to the feet of the receiver. you come on here after every game and say "oh the other team was tired" or "genia was just getting better ball!"
have you ever considered that maybe genia is better at organizing the forwards and has a passing game that puts them on the front foot? It's a lot harder for teams on defense to commit more men to the breakdown if there line is moving backwards. genia start this happening.

Burgo is slow and labored at the break down.
i'm not saying he should be dumped. i think his running game and tackling are awesome. but i can't remember a time this year when he used either of them to have an effect on the game.

funny that you complain about me putting words in mouths then do the exact same thing, bu then again you come across angry at every turn so i take it your opinion is affected by kafes chalkboard rather than actual brain cells.
i never said burgo was a god, i said he had worse ball to deal with than genia and i will say again thats fact. genia for all his flat passing wasnt great, i call that in the last few games he has cost us points with poor option taking, i even asked the question above but you ignore that for easy gain there lou! Genia is good but he has a long way to go and i hope he gets there, if he overtakes burgo i have no problem, but i have a problem with the fact that with the younger guys in the team at the moment we are ignoring there problems by saying there building to something. if genia fails a few times, the same as burgo, do we pull him or stick with him and hold faith that he will learn?

 

[naza]

If he starts and he fails you will still say he is better than burgo and that is crap.

don't be so arrogant as put words in my mouth a week before anything even happened. your the only person trying to stand up for him.

Burgess - has the worst job in Australian sport. I have no objections to Genia getting more experience and a couple of starts under his belt but hope Burgess isn't scapegoated.

That's about as close as you'll get to naza saying burgos form is rubbish.

Now who is putting words into another's mouth ? I think the last 20 minutes demonstrated that Giteau is well and truly not a 10 and that regardless of who wears #9, they'll do it tough off ruck ball.

We're winless in the Tri-Nations, there's little to gain out of the remaining matches, so its a perfect opportunity to get guys like Genia more reps.

 

[Lindommer]

Burgess was good last week. But one game out of four isn't good enough. TahJ is a little bit one eyed when it comes to Tah players.

And Queenslanders aren't one-eyed when discussing Reds players? Scotty, go back and have a good look at your posts: a casual glance shows you've recommended McLinden instead of Mitchell, Cooper over Gits and even suggested Higginclacker should get a go. God spare me, from THE most shithouse team in the history of Super rugby.

Scotty, a word from the wise: if you're a Queenslander drop "one-eyed" from your vocabulary.

 

[louie]

lol naza i was using you as an example of someone who's back burgo for a long time and as just come round. I should have pointed that out when i quoted you but was having too much fun being aggressive.
i wasn't putting words into your mouth. just using you and something you said as an example.
TAHJ was saying I'd come on here next week and say blah blah about how much better genia is at starting then luke even if he fails. which is crap. why would i do that?

funny that you complain about me putting words in mouths then do the exact same thing, bu then again you come across angry at every turn so i take it your opinion is affected by kafes chalkboard rather than actual brain cells.

Here i guess your saying that i don't think and i get my opinions from other people. If you think that it's your problem not mine. Pretty dumb thing to say really.

Yes genia has made some bad decisions but when was burgo done better? Burgo will often pick out bad lone runners when he should just be firing it to the number 10. Burgo will often take the ball himself and then go to ground so we don't have a halfback for the next play. this ruins any chance of flow and building the phases.

I constantly point out is that a halfback needs a good, if not great, passing game. that's the most fundamental part of his game. Genia is better at this. that is my point.

 

[Moses]

3 Bennn
2 Rocky
1 Chisolm

All the Force players should be dropped bar JOC (James O'Connor). If they can't perform at "home" then they never will.

Chisolm had a good game for his first run back, Sharpe can stay at home too.

The puppy dog enforcer should never play again, sickening performance.

I thought Burgess did pretty well, with what he had. Got to the rucks quickly, made some key tackles and a few decent runs as well.

 

[Scarfman]

All the Force players should be dropped bar JOC (James O'Connor). If they can't perform at "home" then they never will.

Including JOC (James O'Connor).

It's what I said at the start of the season - Force overrepresented, Cueball conspiracy.

 

[Newb]

for anyone looking to include match stats in their judgements***:

http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match2594.html

some interesting finds for me:

- wallabies practically camped in their end but couldn't capitalize (errors/turnovers)
- 60/40 territory advantage and doubled time in opp. 22
- huge penalty advantage for the wobs (4-16) but not much made from it
- no yellows for 16 penalties?
- only 4 shots at goal, 2 successful
- some good kicks from penalties but i remember some of the ensuing lineouts were botched
- many more phases than the saffas but obviously their quick strikes didn't require recycles
- lineout still a let down (lost 5 of 11, saffas lost 2 of 9)
- much more running shown from the wobs this week, out-gained the saffas by nearly double
- too many turnovers of all kinds except at scrum
- big chizz led the way on tackles
- brussow and bismark monsters for the saffas
- fairly sloppy defense from both teams in terms of missed/ineffective tackles
- rocky huge with ball in hand (most runs and meters made), but also a couple fumbles
- gits and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) also making lots of yards
- rocky and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) busy at rucks/mauls
- chizz maybe light in rucks/mauls at only 4
- quade managed to miss 3 tackles in his cameo (made 1), still a worry for me
- hynes had 1 bloody run for 0 meters and it was a kick return (WTF)
- JOC (James O'Connor) lacking much in stats besides kicking
- smit looks past in on video and in the stats
- neither matfield or bakkies snaffled a lineout, it was the other blokes (smit, smith, spies)

*** disclaimer: who knows how accurate these really are or even how they're put together. i sure don't.

 

[the gambler]

Robbo
Rocky
Mumm (Not a joke - the rest were in negative)

 

[disco]

How's the tackle stats, most missed Richard Brown with 4 & 2nd was Quade Cooper with 3 & he was on for about 9 minutes. :lmao:

Anyway if Barnes isn't fit I'm keen for Cooper at 10 next week.