Foreign recruitment

[blues recovery]

What we're probably doing here is developing a player for new Zealand.

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What else would you expect him to say in a NZ paper , ( I cant wait to pull on the Gold jersey ).
If the Rebels do their job properley and he is the player we expect him to be, dont expect him to be heading back to NZ .

 

[en_force_er]

Well he can't actually as you can now only ever play for one country.
Bad luck to Zimbabwe!

Read the rest of the post, it was part of a line of conversation where the hypothetical of being capped for 2 nations was discussed.

 

[AlexH]

Name one foreign player Australia has actively recruited? We have a few players who were born overseas but who has come to this country on the behest of the ARU to play rugby and become eligible for the wallabies.

Ewen actively recruited Harris. BAM.

 

[Sully]

Harris was always eligible for the wallabies.

 

[AlexH]

The figure of kiwis moving to Australia annually is actually 55'000, with a net loss of 39'000(subtracting those who move home).

Why on earth would you move back to New Zealand? Must've been deported.

You can understand why they would be deported though. We don't want to saturate the labour market with forklift drivers.

 

[matty_k]

Harris was always eligible for the wallabies.

But he was also eligible for the All Blacks and Link did reach out to Harris.
Sound like active recruitment to me.

 

[AlexH]

Harris was always eligible for the wallabies.

I don't dispute that point but he was vying for a New Zealand Super Rugby contract when Ewen approached him.

 

[en_force_er]

I don't dispute that point but he was vying for a New Zealand Super Rugby contract when Ewen approached him.

The Reds approached him because he counted as Australian on their roster, not because they had grand ideas of him playing Wallabies.

Him playing Wallabies was just how the cards fell, nobody from the ARU planned it.

 

[TOCC]

Yes, but he wasn't recruited by the Wallabies in essence... It's not as though the ARU were the ones driving the recruitment, it was the Reds who wanted him for the provincial level.

 

[qwerty51]

Name one foreign player Australia has actively recruited? We have a few players who were born overseas but who has come to this country on the behest of the ARU to play rugby and become eligible for the wallabies.

Not exactly Australia but Jake White bringing over the SA lock.

 

[AlexH]

The Reds approached him because he counted as Australian on their roster, not because they had grand ideas of him playing Wallabies.

Him playing Wallabies was just how the cards fell, nobody from the ARU planned it.

Still an Aussie team poaching a Kiwi player.

 

[TOCC]

I think we are diving into the semantics of the issue here... To get to the end of the topic, we can agree on the following points:

-Harris was recruited by an Aussie team..
-Harris was not poached by the ARU for the purpose of playing for the Wallabies...

 

[en_force_er]

Still an Aussie team poaching a Kiwi player.

Not at all, poaching implies he was stolen for starters. There is literally no non-cooking based definition that doesn't use a word like 'stolen' or 'illegally' taken.

Mike Harris came very willingly and nobody in NZ complained (at least nobody in a position of influence). He was surplus to the Blues, and indeed NZ Super Rugby's requirements. He has said himself he was simply not offered a job in his home nation.

A much closer example of 'poaching' is what Glasgow did to SA's Josh Strauss, a player who could have easily got a Super Rugby contract and previously had one. This was all done with the intention to have him play for Scotland in time.

I however, do not even consider this poaching as it is always the player who signs off on the plans, nobody makes him.

 

[en_force_er]

I think we are diving into the semantics if the issue here. To get to the end of the topic, we can agree on the following points:

-Harris was recruited by an Aussie team..
-Harris was not poached by the ARU for the purpose of playing for the Wallabies.

Add the fact that it was not the case of an Aussie team outbidding a Kiwi side, they were the only Super Rugby side in the game. Only the Reds wanted him.

 

[matty_k]

Add the fact that it was not the case of an Aussie team outbidding a Kiwi side, they were the only Super Rugby side in the game. Only the Reds wanted him.

That's why recruited is the right word.

 

[TOCC]

If we want an example of poaching by the ARU then we need to look back to Tuqiri and Sailor

 

[Forcefield]

Add the fact that it was not the case of an Aussie team outbidding a Kiwi side, they were the only Super Rugby side in the game. Only the Reds wanted him.

The Force wanted him too. We put in an offer. He knocked it back to hold out for a spot with the Blues. That didn't come up so he signed with the Reds.

 

[BDA]

Does anyone actually think that Harris would be playing for the All Blacks atm had he not been forced to look for an opportunity in aus? I certainly don't. He'd be way down the pecking order. I bet you Hansen wouldn't use him if he had him available tomorrow. It's akin to a child not wanting to play with a toy, until another child picks it up. It's petty.

 

[TOCC]

Given the current selection tendencies and depth of players on hand for Hansen i don't think Harris would be in the current All Blacks squad.

However if the All Blacks suffered a similar number of injuries as the Wallabies have suffered in key positions through 2012 i don't think its unrealistic to hypothesise that Harris may have made the AB's squad.

 

[qwerty51]

He was being a sore loser, it had nothing to do with Harris possibly playing for the ABs.

Hansen knew we won the game on our goal kicker so he took a jibe at our goal kicker, if the ABs won from the Carter drop goal we would've heard nothing about it.