Force vs Waratahs - Super Rugby R17 2013

[qwerty51]

There are some cranky Waratah fans out today.Timani is lazy. Not as lazy as Sitaleki but still lazy. I reckon he'll struggle as the games wears on.

Lazy? Mate go watch him play for Southern Districts. He puts his hands up for a carry as soon as he gets up from the last hit up. He's been huge for them.

 

[Lindommer]

QUEENSLANDER!

Up 'n' all as I am to bait our brothers from north of the Tweed even I can't let that one pass: Michael Foley, St Pat's Strathfield, Western Suburbs & Gordon, all before he defected north to get a run after being stuck behind Kearns. The irony of his migration is Brendan Cannon did exactly the reverse of Foley to get a game while stuck in HIS shadow.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Two of our finest rugby personalities that are being showcased to a new generation of B&I Lions tourists.

Wonder what they think about them?

Good thing that most of them go to the games and therefore don't have to suffer the commentary dream team of Kearns, Marto, Canno et al.

 

[Hawko]

What will be interesting will be to see Mitchell at 15. I expected to see Crawford get this job with Mitchell at 11 but I think Cheika wants another Folau-type player at the back and that he's going to run at the Force as much as the game allows him to. I think he's hoping that Mitchell steps up his performance a couple of notches and stops the brain farts/handling errors that have marred his game this year.

Our scrum should hold and our backrow is weaker but better balanced this week than last with McCutcheon playing at 7 rather than 6. Lineouts are a real worry and I bet Foley already has a gameplan that involves kicking it out at every opportunity and in Eberson they have a player who knows how to kick (but not much else). If McKibbin plays like last week Foley will have the space to work his magic and the outside men to finish.

Given that our locks and backrow are so green, I just hope we can get the ball out before Hodgson and Co turn the rucks into a nightmare. I am looking forward to Holloway, McCutcheon, Atkins, Skelton and even Lopeti (despite his defection) standing right up and showing that they have a big future in the game. Realistically not all of them will but those that do will mark themselves as keepers. That alone must be a real incentive to give it everything.

 

[RedsHappy]

"Has his house on the game"? The Teflon Kid? Failure doesn't stick to him. This is the bloke whose team won just four games last season despite being chock full of Wallabies, and then had two franchises fighting over him!

"He's all in on Revenge!" Why should he be vengeful? He produced eight straight losses to end his employment with the 'Tahs and management were down on their knees begging him to stay.

The man has no shame. After his team were absolutely flogged last night because all the paddock gates had been left open, he had the gall to praise their defence!
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Bruce, one of my singular regrets regarding the state of the 2013 version of these fora is that you are restricting your peerless wit to the narrow corner of Tah-land.

What of, for example, Totality Tony's obviously major role behind the Wallaby scenes, rebuilding and redesigning the national rugby resource as his superiors concentrate on new visions and attempting to emulate JO'N's skill in 'remuneration packaging'?

You are leaving so much left unsaid. You used to consider the remaining terrain so compelling.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

VV is too erratic.

He is VERY Young... it took Beale 3 seasons to get his game together, i recall

 

[I like to watch]

our last game we beat the highlanders by one point--so much for your saying close games are never converted into wins
The improvement under Foley this year is apparant,so it looks like both clubs are winners
The fact remains.with a side full of test players,the tahs should have done much better under the new coach,not reaching the finals is a pass mark?

Funny, those same Test players were hapless under "Foles" last year.
if you are happy, then terrific.
let's see how chuffed you are in another year.
EVERYONE that I know who supports the Tahs, is happy for you as well.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

There are some cranky Waratah fans out today.




Timani is lazy. Not as lazy as Sitaleki but still lazy. I reckon he'll struggle as the games wears on.

Skelton hasn't played much but I will wager my right arm that he is lazy. I'd give him about 15-20 minutes until he starts doing a Salesi Ma'afu and walks between rucks.

Ulugia is pretty lazy. Pretty good in the set-piece but not the presence on the field that TPN is.

What's Tilse like?

Atkins, Holloway and Ryan are all pretty involved. McCutcheon is a work horse too, but he doesn't tend to actually achieve much.

actually - not to pick the Tahs out specifically, but I have notice ALOT of australian forwards taking a malay week, to get themselves out of a Ruck, and then wandering back into the line - not to re-engage in the ongoing phase-play, but to stand trying to look busy, in the back line...

I know we commit less plyers to the Ruck in the modern game - but these blokes aren't jogging back into position and getting ready to defend.. they are ambling back like their on a walk in the woods...

I notice it cos it would have gotten our arses roundly kicked, back when mouses were in traps.

Oh! - and turning their backs, even when the opposition are camped right on their tryline... cannot belieeeeeeve that!

 

[Forcefield]

Lazy? Mate go watch him play for Southern Districts. He puts his hands up for a carry as soon as he gets up from the last hit up. He's been huge for them.

Shute Shield is a big step down from Super Rugby and Timani is up against one of the hardest working backrows in the competition. I don't think he'll be up to the pace. But fair enough I don't watch the SS. I still stand by what I said. I'll happily take back what I said if he proves me wrong. But I reckon his impact will diminish from the 25 minute mark and he'll be off by the 55.

 

[Bruce Ross]

Bruce, one of my singular regrets regarding the state of the 2013 version of these fora is that you are restricting your peerless wit to the narrow corner of Tah-land.

What of, for example, Totality Tony's obviously major role behind the Wallaby scenes, rebuilding and redesigning the national rugby resource as his superiors concentrate on new visions and attempting to emulate JO'N's skill in 'remuneration packaging'?

You are leaving so much left unsaid. You used to consider the remaining terrain so compelling.

I've been very busy with business matters, RH, including three trips to China in six months.

I'll try to find time to re-expand my horizons.
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[jay-c]

i dont think ive ever wanted to see a team lose as much as i want foleys farce to lose this weekend
they had a shot at glory, they could have created history and they didnt even try too... it is a shame beyond which my language skills can properly describe-
possibly the worst part of it is as some have mentioned, foley played the lions in 2001, he knows what it means to be apart of it and he took that chance away from the guys who deserved a shot who have worked hard to be in that position in the force team.
I cannot think of a person i despise more in world rugby right now
his decision goes against everything i feel rugby represents

 

[Inside Shoulder]

i dont think ive ever wanted to see a team lose as much as i want foleys farce to lose this weekend
they had a shot at glory, they could have created history and they didnt even try too. it is a shame beyond which my language skills can properly describe-
possibly the worst part of it is as some have mentioned, foley played the lions in 2001, he knows what it means to be apart of it and he took that chance away from the guys who deserved a shot who have worked hard to be in that position in the force team.
I cannot think of a person i despise more in world rugby right now
his decision goes against everything i feel rugby represents

Blame the lions for wanting a stop over in Honkers to generate beer money for the tour.


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[jay-c]

Blame the lions for wanting a stop over in Honkers to generate beer money for the tour.

no mate, they were the cards he was dealt and it was precisely those cards which meant the lions were gunna be under prepared and that gave them such an advantage
some people make excuses in life and some people are winners

 

[Sully]

You're in business. You have a meeting with your biggest clients and one with some guys who only come to town every now and then. Which is most important.

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[Inside Shoulder]

no mate, they were the cards he was dealt and it was precisely those cards which meant the lions were gunna be under prepared and that gave them such an advantage
some people make excuses in life and some people are winners

If the Lions "needed" to play in Honkers then they should have left a week earlier and played the force last saturday or whatever.
Foley's job is (a) not to provide cannon fodder for the BIL so they can work out their combinations (b) win, or failing that do as well as he can, in the S15.
Besides which the BIL's ought to get over themselves: a second string s15 pack held them in the scrums!

 

[mark_s]

You're in business. You have a meeting with your biggest clients and one with some guys who only come to town every now and then. Which is most important.

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Who is the waratahs and who is the lions in your analogy?

Isn't it more, your in business. You can have a once only shot at glory and immortality (albeit at low probability) or you can priortise an inconsequential meeting with someone you deal with regularly. Which do you choose?

 

[jay-c]

You're in business. You have a meeting with your biggest clients and one with some guys who only come to town every now and then. Which is most important.

if those guys who only come to town once every 12 years represent 66 million people in the uk and ireland my business clients had better understand my sense of occasion
your analogy would be more accurate by deciding on a meeting with one of your business clients and a meeting with 5 of the forbes 10 richest people in the world where your flipping a coin for the chance to take all their money
few people get the chance to create history in life and even fewer do... but its the few that do, do so because they gave it a crack
"you miss 100% of the shots you dont take"- (M.Jordon i think)

 

[fatprop]

Lazy? Mate go watch him play for Southern Districts. He puts his hands up for a carry as soon as he gets up from the last hit up. He's been huge for them.

Yeah, he ain't lazy, but he can have shit hands and can make some dumb decisions playing 8, at 6 a lot of that decision making is removed.

 

[Braveheart81]

With the way the schedule worked out, one Australian franchise was always going to get the short end of the stick when it came to playing the Lions. It happened to be the Force and realistically was always going to be either the Force or the Rebels as our weakest franchise.

I don't get all the hyperbole about this potentially destroying the Lions tour and being such an insult. The B&I Lions played far more dirt tracker type teams in 2001 such as the WA side they beat by 100 points.

Their opposition were of far higher quality than that so I'm not really sure what the problem is.

No one batted an eyelid when they beat the Barbarians 59-8 which is pretty much the same scoreline (one less points margin but one fewer tries scored against them).

I don't know if it had any impact, but do the Force have to follow Super Rugby rules in terms of contracted players for the Waratahs game? No one has raised that but it seems plausible that they need to fill their Super Rugby side with as many contracted players.

Would they have even been allowed to use all their Super Rugby players against the Lions and then trotted out 10 non-contracted players against the Waratahs?

 

[I like to watch]

Had they played their best side,no doubt many would have backed up and played the Tahs.
Unless they were hit with injuries,in which case they would field whatever players were available.I'm sure no rules would be broken in that scenario.