Force 2018

[ShtinaTina]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...xe-them-from-super-rugby-20170823-gy23qb.html

This was the reporter I saw on the way out in the lift. As well as Jamie Pandaram & Pete Fairbairn

 

[ShtinaTina]

Adjourned

 

[kiap]

Am I reading this right ?

The ARU may be under no legal obligation from SANZAR to cut a team. And with Twiggy Forrest's offer, no financial reason to either.

But as of yesterday they still want to ? I'm wrong surely.

From WA Rugby Union barrister Robert Newlinds SC, as per Tina's link above:

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But the changes to the SANZAAR broadcasting agreement did not rule out five teams from Australia continuing to play in the competition and should not have triggered the termination of the contract with Western Force, he said.​

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"It used to say no fewer than 18 teams. It now says no fewer than 15 teams," Mr Newlinds said.​

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"It used to say at least five from Australia. It now says at least four from Australia.​

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"Well, five is at least four."​

 

[Boomer]

Or even if intended, that may or may not explicitly be included in the actual agreement.

Astounding

 

[ShtinaTina]

From WA Rugby Union barrister Robert Newlinds SC, as per Tina's link above:

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But the changes to the SANZAAR broadcasting agreement did not rule out five teams from Australia continuing to play in the competition and should not have triggered the termination of the contract with Western Force, he said.​

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"It used to say no fewer than 18 teams. It now says no fewer than 15 teams," Mr Newlinds said.​

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"It used to say at least five from Australia. It now says at least four from Australia.​

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"Well, five is at least four."​

There were a few wry smiles from the Judge during this discussion.

 

[The Snout]

From WA Rugby Union barrister Robert Newlinds SC, as per Tina's link above:

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But the changes to the SANZAAR broadcasting agreement did not rule out five teams from Australia continuing to play in the competition and should not have triggered the termination of the contract with Western Force, he said.​

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"It used to say no fewer than 18 teams. It now says no fewer than 15 teams," Mr Newlinds said.​

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"It used to say at least five from Australia. It now says at least four from Australia.​

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"Well, five is at least four."​

Thanks. Simply lost for words.

 

[p.Tah]

this is like following a cricket test match, ball by ball via Cricinfo updates.

 

[Moono75]

It is amazing the treachery of the ARU regarding this whole fiasco. I agree, 5 Australian teams does constitute at least 4 teams from Australia.....

 

[farva]

If the Force win, will the ARU look to elevate to the next level, or is that it?
Ditto if the ARU win.

Ie: will we see an end to this in the next few weeks?

 

[kiap]

If the Force win, will the ARU look to elevate to the next level, or is that it?
Ditto if the ARU win.

Ie: will we see an end to this in the next few weeks?

Dunno, but it's not easy to see this particular case going up another level. I mean the High Court can pick and choose what cases they hear. They tend to focus on legal issues of special significance.

Having said that, there could be other things to come. Possible senate inquiry, possible WA govt action, and so on.

 

[BLR]

If the Force win, will the ARU look to elevate to the next level, or is that it?
Ditto if the ARU win.

Ie: will we see an end to this in the next few weeks?

Apparently if the Force win this is it as far as the ARU are concerned. If the ARU win I very much doubt it is over.

 

[Tex]

Am I reading this right ?

The ARU may be under no legal obligation from SANZAR to cut a team. And with Twiggy Forrest's offer, no financial reason to either.

But as of yesterday they still want to ? I'm wrong surely.

x2. Literally the only factor keeping me somewhat balanced about the ARU's decision making was the implied understanding that their contractual responsibilities to SANZAAR forced their hand on Vic/WA getting culled.

What a bunch of cnuts.

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[BLR]

What a bunch of cnuts

That's a bit harsh on Cnut the Great. I mean, he died almost 1000 years ago, no need to hold a grudge.

 

[Killer]

if we win we will go for costs I would think

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Well....

RugbyWA is incredibly disappointed to hear that yesterday’s meeting between Mr Andrew Forrest and ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne and directors Brett Robinson and John Eales failed to reach a positive outcome. Particularly given Mr Forrest’s incredibly generous offer to donate many tens of millions to support community rugby as well as financially underwrite the Western Force.



Further, commitments to RugbyWA Board Member David Vaux on Sunday afternoon by Cameron Clyne, that the ARU would accept the retention of five Australian teams provided Andrew Forrest financially underwrote the Western Force and make a significant contribution to Australian rugby.


RugbyWA Chairman of the Board Tony Howarth says: “It is now clear that the ARU did not attend the meeting in Adelaide with the intention of resolving a mutually acceptable agreement, as said previously by ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne.”


RugbyWA is adamant that if the ARU can afford to refuse approximately $50 million to support grass roots rugby then the decision to cut an Australian franchise cannot logically be based on the ARU’s financial position. Therefor the basis on which the ARU has decided to remove a team needs to be fully explained.


Further, we understand that during the meeting the ARU Directors were adamant that a Senate Inquiry as requested by Senator Linda Reynolds and supported by Federal Sports Minister Greg Hunt, had no place or role to play in Australian Rugby.


RugbyWA strongly supports the call for a Senate Inquiry based on the ARU’s misinformation as to their financial position and their lack of information available for the reasons for removing the Western Force.


Today, RugbyWA has been granted leave to appeal the Australian Rugby Union’s (ARU) decision to cut the Western Force from Super Rugby next year. The decision was made by New South Wales Supreme Court judge David Hammerschlag.

https://www.rugbywa.asn.au/news/rugbywa-statement/

 

[ShtinaTina]

Good old double talk from the ARU again.....

 

[Moono75]

I think the ARU board need to go through the concussion protocol and also submit to a urine test!

 

[The Snout]

"... the ARU Directors were adamant that a Senate Inquiry as requested by Senator Linda Reynolds and supported by Federal Sports Minister Greg Hunt, had no place or role to play in Australian Rugby."

Oh how arrogant that you think you are above any oversight.

 

[BLR]

Oh how arrogant that you think you are above any oversight.

I imagine Clyne has just watched Judge Dredd and he really liked the line 'I am the Law!' and he now lives by it.

 

[RedsHappy]

".the ARU Directors were adamant that a Senate Inquiry as requested by Senator Linda Reynolds and supported by Federal Sports Minister Greg Hunt, had no place or role to play in Australian Rugby as they sadly had to admit that rugby in 2017 holds such a minute share of public interest (and with that share declining by the day) that the financial expense of such a Senate Inquiry simply cannot be justified on that basis and that at its conclusion only 467 people Australia-wide would be interested in or affected by the Inquiry's findings. "

Oh how arrogant that you think you are above any oversight.

Fixed that up for you.