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Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
BillyWebb said:
PaarlBok said:
BillyWebb said:
I like your suggestion of using European based players on the EOYT to give some of the over-exposed Boks a bit of a breather - even just playing off the bench.
You have PdV's ear... whisper it to him Paarl. :thumb
Ja sure will get hold of him sometime next year and have a chat. He sort of broke this rule himself now with CJ & BJ and pretty sure BJ had shown his worth and holding tumbs he'll do the same on the weekend.

This will give us the oopertunity to stay on top till NZ & Aus are force to do the same.

Just a pity he didn't break the rule for JdV. I'd much prefer him at 12 on Saturday than either Adi or Olivier.
Mind you, it doesn't sound like he's been that fantastic for Munster. Thomo?

He wasn't, because he's not a 12 to play with Mafi, and Mafi's not a 13 to play with him. Whereas, when we put him at 13, and our beloved Little Tongan Nutjob at 12 leading up the defence and smashing the buggery out of people in between stepping, it worked just dandy against Ulster. His form graph has gone from dia-fucking-bolical against Leinster - he was to blame for almost every try, between calling stupid balls and getting the defence all wrong - to very good against Ulster. He's coming right, no question about that, and there's a lot more to come in him.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Bugger me, ons Oompie obviously has more clout than we thought. :eek:

Jean de Villiers called up, will feature in Saturday's game.

Is julle dalk nog nou 'n bietjie bang, my boertjies...? ;)
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
rustycruiser said:
No Jacobs? Woo hoo! Changing my prediction from from too close to call to a Bok win by 10!

I wouldn't. Coming cold from a completely different defensive system, and, moreover, one where the oppo scrum-half knows him inside out by this stage? Not good for you. Jacobs was bad against Italy, but he wasn't the worst offender in the other games.

Apparently, you lot didn't even know anything about Sexton; nothing on him at all. Should be interesting...
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Thomond78 said:
rustycruiser said:
No Jacobs? Woo hoo! Changing my prediction from from too close to call to a Bok win by 10!

I wouldn't. Coming cold from a completely different defensive system, and, moreover, one where the oppo scrum-half knows him inside out by this stage? Not good for you. Jacobs was bad against Italy, but he wasn't the worst offender in the other games.

Apparently, you lot didn't even know anything about Sexton; nothing on him at all. Should be interesting...

So it's not good for us to get a 12 back who has played a ton of rugby with those around him for the simple fact that the opposing 9 has played with him for a few games? Now you're talking crap.

They way you lot have been carrying on, this game is in the bag for the Irish.

Let's see. You are goign to outscrum us, run holes through us in the midfield, run over us with that big scary back row, anything else?

We have an injury and a replacement a few miles down the road. Would you rather fly an untried player out from SA? Come one man. Get a grip.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Thomond78 said:
Bugger me, ons Oompie obviously has more clout than we thought. :eek:

Jean de Villiers called up, will feature in Saturday's game.

Is julle dalk nog nou 'n bietjie bang, my boertjies...? ;)

No. We've never feared Ireland and never will. Sorry. The issue isn't fear, it's respect. The last two years we didn't respect Ireland becuase we usually ran right over them whilst in a slumber. I think there is a healthy dose of respect now so we should be better than the last two half hearted games against you (as long as the ref doesn't hand you the game again).

As for Jean's performance I saw his two first games for Munster and was gob smacked how bad he was. I have never seen him play that badly and it'd hard to understand why. Having said that his defense started to show gaps in the Lions series so I am not entirely surprised. HE is still 100% better than Jacobs. The issue with Jacobs wasn't his defense. It was carrying the ball up 10 times in a game and turning it over every time. He also indirectly caused turnovers by physically not being able to support the ball carrier in the midfield. His one on one defense was adequate though.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Hell I am now over the moon with Jean back. :yay I'll be the first one to acknowledge he isnt the best of defenders but pretty sure with Schalk usually in his inside he direct the traffic usually that way. Thats the way they play since schooldays. Time to play him back in form for Munster against the Iere, cant ask for more. :thumb

Ja Thomo ons boertjies is vrekbang vir die bleekbene. ;)
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Ok the team to be announce today but wont look different like
Kirschner, Habs, Mossie, Meisiekind, JP, Morne, Fourie, Pakslae, Schalk, Brussouw, Matfield, Bakkies,BJ, Smit, du Preez

Bench: Beast, Bismarck, Bekker, Kankowski, Deysel, Jean & Pienaar

The best we can put out there and rain & kak weather sure will fit the gameplan we will play. We going to play it tight , old time Bok rugby. Let Fourie & Morne take control and only bodies on the line defensive effort will do the trick.
 
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BillyWebb

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Well Oom Paarl, looks like we got our wish with Jean being included.
Either PdV reads this forum :eek: or you have considerable clout with him! ;)

Either way, I am pretty chuffed.

And I'm happy that Olivier starts, with Jean on the bench. Seems a sensible call.
In other news, from practices, it looks like John Smit will be at hooker (another good call) and Tits-for-hands Rossouw takes over from Kanko at starting no. 8 with Kanko warming the pine.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
The Springbok team is (test caps in brackets):

15 Zane Kirchner (3)
14 JP Pietersen (32)
13 Jaque Fourie (53)
12 Wynand Olivier (26)
11 Bryan Habana (56)
10 Morne Steyn (11)
9 Fourie du Preez (54)
8 Danie Rossouw (45)
7 Schalk Burger (54)
6 Heinrich Brüssow (12)
5 Victor Matfield (91)
4 Bakkies Botha (65)
3 BJ Botha (18)
2 John Smit (92) - captain
1 Tendai Mtawarira (21)

Reserves:

16 Bismarck du Plessis (31)
17 CJ van der Linde (57)
18 Andries Bekker (2)
19 Jean Deysel (1)
20 Dewald Potgieter (uncapped)
21 Ruan Pienaar (36)
22 Jean de Villiers (54)

Hell what a surprise to see potgieter on the bench ahead of Kankowski. The right one I geuss. So Beast starts and CJ on the bench. Also a better call then mine, sure the best team for this test. Now they have to dio it on the field.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Blue said:
Thomond78 said:
Bugger me, ons Oompie obviously has more clout than we thought. :eek:

Jean de Villiers called up, will feature in Saturday's game.

Is julle dalk nog nou 'n bietjie bang, my boertjies...? ;)

No. We've never feared Ireland and never will. Sorry. The issue isn't fear, it's respect. The last two years we didn't respect Ireland becuase we usually ran right over them whilst in a slumber. I think there is a healthy dose of respect now so we should be better than the last two half hearted games against you (as long as the ref doesn't hand you the game again).

As for Jean's performance I saw his two first games for Munster and was gob smacked how bad he was. I have never seen him play that badly and it'd hard to understand why. Having said that his defense started to show gaps in the Lions series so I am not entirely surprised. HE is still 100% better than Jacobs. The issue with Jacobs wasn't his defense. It was carrying the ball up 10 times in a game and turning it over every time. He also indirectly caused turnovers by physically not being able to support the ball carrier in the midfield. His one on one defense was adequate though.

:nta:

Emmm... Blue, I hate to spoil the happy blue-tinged haze, but the last time we played you was in 2006, in LR. And you lost heavily back then, as it happens. Normally, given your team, I'd assume it was the presence of oxygen in the air messing you up, but since you've been at sea level long enough to acclimatise, surely you're not on the charge-office coffee this far in advance of the game? Drank en pos is die nuwe wet van Bloubullland, ne? ;)

As it happens, I'd have done what Snor has; I'd have stuck Wynand Olivier in there. God help me, there's a sentence I never thought I'd write... :eek:
 

rustycruiser

Billy Sheehan (19)
Not to justify (because a loss is a loss), but would that be the game where we sent a developmental squad while we were resting players before the RWC? Where we had our wing (Habana) playing center and our back up back up center (Jaco Pretorius) playing wing? That game? Good win by Ireland that! At least in that game you didn't need a cheating ref.

;)
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Thomond78 said:
Blue said:
Thomond78 said:
Bugger me, ons Oompie obviously has more clout than we thought. :eek:

Jean de Villiers called up, will feature in Saturday's game.

Is julle dalk nog nou 'n bietjie bang, my boertjies...? ;)

No. We've never feared Ireland and never will. Sorry. The issue isn't fear, it's respect. The last two years we didn't respect Ireland becuase we usually ran right over them whilst in a slumber. I think there is a healthy dose of respect now so we should be better than the last two half hearted games against you (as long as the ref doesn't hand you the game again).

As for Jean's performance I saw his two first games for Munster and was gob smacked how bad he was. I have never seen him play that badly and it'd hard to understand why. Having said that his defense started to show gaps in the Lions series so I am not entirely surprised. HE is still 100% better than Jacobs. The issue with Jacobs wasn't his defense. It was carrying the ball up 10 times in a game and turning it over every time. He also indirectly caused turnovers by physically not being able to support the ball carrier in the midfield. His one on one defense was adequate though.

:nta:

Emmm... Blue, I hate to spoil the happy blue-tinged haze, but the last time we played you was in 2006, in LR. And you lost heavily back then, as it happens. Normally, given your team, I'd assume it was the presence of oxygen in the air messing you up, but since you've been at sea level long enough to acclimatise, surely you're not on the charge-office coffee this far in advance of the game? Drank en pos is die nuwe wet van Bloubullland, ne? ;)

As it happens, I'd have done what Snor has; I'd have stuck Wynand Olivier in there. God help me, there's a sentence I never thought I'd write... :eek:

typo: years - i meant matches.

If you are going to be posting Afrikaans words I think the polite thing to do is to post a translation, if only for my benefit. I am from Pretoria and "Drank en Pos..." is new to me.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Blue said:
I am from Pretoria and "Drank en Pos..." is new to me.
Blue look like you are losing the Valie accent Boet, sure you know "drank", "Pos" is the Valie accent for the good old Namaqualand and Capey "poes" word. You know that thing that got the better end of Joost en Hofmeyer. :nta:

Anyway hats of to my Boere Ier, Boer isnt even his second language , I think its closer to his 9th and myself have a lot of respect for people talking and knowing so many of them. :yay
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
PaarlBok said:
Blue said:
I am from Pretoria and "Drank en Pos..." is new to me.
Blue look like you are losing the Valie accent Boet, sure you know "drank", "Pos" is the Valie accent for the good old Namaqualand and Capey "poes" word. You know that thing that got the better end of Joost en Hofmeyer. :nta:

Anyway hats of to my Boere Ier, Boer isnt even his second language , I think its closer to his 9th and myself have a lot of respect for people talking and knowing so many of them. :yay

Ah ok where I come from "Pos" is mail. :) Didnlt quite get how drink and post mix but there you go.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Blue said:
PaarlBok said:
Blue said:
I am from Pretoria and "Drank en Pos..." is new to me.
Blue look like you are losing the Valie accent Boet, sure you know "drank", "Pos" is the Valie accent for the good old Namaqualand and Capey "poes" word. You know that thing that got the better end of Joost en Hofmeyer. :nta:

Anyway hats of to my Boere Ier, Boer isnt even his second language , I think its closer to his 9th and myself have a lot of respect for people talking and knowing so many of them. :yay

Ah ok where I come from "Pos" is mail. :) Didnlt quite get how drink and post mix but there you go.
Time you come and visit Boet, hope your family is still OK?

Mind you I still have the WC in mind in 2 years time, just may go via Sydney. Will be great to meet all you lot, just vokken make a plan with the Tah with his jacket, may need the Mauser for him. ;)
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Look like the return to the Bokke squad by CJ, BJ & Jean have some really positive spin for the Bokke. Not only do they have all the inside info from their respective fellow players from the three Irish provinces but being picked and being involved with the Bok squad may give the two fatties the confidense to return to SA local rugby. Some valuable lessons for all from this excersize and one I am sure NZ & Aus will take notice from.

I know CJ wanted to return for some time now and it look like BJ will do the same. Myself like to dig a bit in the enemies papers before the test and dig this one out

Ulster exit on the cards for Botha

The South African tight head prop won a surprise recall to the Springbok side for the Croke Park Test and admitted last night: “South Africa is my priority and there is nothing like wearing your country’s shirt. This will be a massive game to be involved in and I want to play and take the opportunity I have.

“I have a contract with Ulster until the end of the season and then I will make my decision....about the future. We will then see what happens. But at the end of the day you do want to play for South Africa so you will do whatever you can to put yourself in that position so you can be selected.

“With the World Cup coming up, that’s the goal you definitely want to aim for. But before that, you have to be involved as they build a team through to the World Cup.”

Botha does not dispute the fact that it means he would have to return home at the end of this northern hemisphere season next May.

“You can’t just arrive and expect to be selected in the ‘Boks squad a couple of weeks before the World Cup,” he said in Dublin. “Anyone who wants to go to the World Cup is definitely going to have to be involved there as they build their squad towards it.”

Botha has been catapulted into the South African team because of an injury crisis. Jannie du Plessis is injured and not available for the tight head job so the selectors have moved captain John Smit back to his favoured hooker position, after trying him at tight head.

The word emerging from the Springbok camp last night was that the world champions will play Smit much more at hooker in future than they have done this year. That offers Botha the possibility of making the tight head role his own and with the World Cup looming, it’s a big incentive. But he’ll have to go home to do it.

Botha admits the Ulster experience has been vital.

“It has been a different opportunity for me. Scrummaging has become a big part of the game in the northern hemisphere with a lot of tight play and it has improved my game in that respect,” he said.

“It has given me more knowledge, definitely, because you have to take more responsibility as a forward over here. Your set piece has to be very solid and that’s definitely meant more responsibility for me. The engagement is much more important here because of the wet, softer grounds and you must get good quality go-forward ball from the scrums.”

If, as seems highly likely, this proves to be Botha’s last season with Ulster what does he want to achieve?

“I would like to see us get into the semi-final play-offs. Ulster has come a long way since last year and they are really going to move forward as a team in the next 12 to 24 months.

“But we want to get some silverware in the cupboard, that’s the big aim.”



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...e-cards-for-botha-14577917.html#ixzz0Y2cmM02r
I have also read CJ will most likely join WP & the Stormers, dont think BJ will return to the Sharks and the perfect player for the Brutes to poach back.

I am not sure about Jean's situation but I am sure he'll return after this NH season aswell, hopefull back where he rooted from but I know he had a bit of a love for the Sharks.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Blue said:
PaarlBok said:
Blue said:
I am from Pretoria and "Drank en Pos..." is new to me.
Blue look like you are losing the Valie accent Boet, sure you know "drank", "Pos" is the Valie accent for the good old Namaqualand and Capey "poes" word. You know that thing that got the better end of Joost en Hofmeyer. :nta:

Anyway hats of to my Boere Ier, Boer isnt even his second language , I think its closer to his 9th and myself have a lot of respect for people talking and knowing so many of them. :yay

Ah ok where I come from "Pos" is mail. :) Didnlt quite get how drink and post mix but there you go.

Imagine the classic law of what's now Limpopo, Mpumalanga, NW and bits of Gunteng; only tweaked for accuracy around there parts in the spirit of Spook... ;)
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Irish closing in on Brussouw
Irish Times
The Irish Times - Friday, November 27, 2009
We are capable of showing Springboks what we can do

Nothing too special about this South African side despite their reputation, writes LIAM TOLAND

HOW MANY times have you seen David Wallace power into contact, hitting a weak shoulder, and offloading? Or when he hits a dead end, taking up a great position on the deck with excellent ball placement?

In all that time have you ever seen the opposition step over and steal the ball? Likewise the Ireland captain Brian O’Driscoll has made thousands of ball carries and I can’t recall the ball ever being stolen.

The rules of the game have propelled the “jackal” into a fulcrum position. And at 5ft 11in (180 cms) Springbok openside Heinrich Brüssow is very much the jackal. However, I’ve revised my opinion on the great groundhog Brüssow. He is no Richie McCaw. And if he continues to exert an influence at the breakdown tomorrow it is the Ireland ball carrier that must shoulder the blame.

Brüssow does his fair share of defensive work and has a nasty habit of twisting the tackled player into a terrible position with the sole intent of stealing the ball. But he is more magpie than jackal in that his real influence arises from loitering in behind another Springbok tackler and biding his time for the unsuspecting carrier to hit the deck and then he pounces. Much like a support runner stays on the blindside of the defender that picks a great line to take the offload, Brüssow lines up the soon to be flattened man.

Yes the set-piece will be important tomorrow but the game will hinge on the flow of ball. The pre-emptive strike is therefore required. The ball carrier must dominate the tackle à la Wallace and O’Driscoll. Cian Healy’s cameo run into the heart of the Australians, dominated several tacklers, made yards and produced a very quick ball.

Throughout this passage Australian wonder kid David Pocock was nowhere to be seen. Where there is any doubt about the quality of the Ireland ball carrier then hands off, don’t give him the ball, it’s simply not worth the risk. Too often a brave-heart run can end in a penalty or turnover. Judging by the performance over Fiji Ireland are developing the diamond formation attack where several receivers are making themselves available for the pass. Allied with the combined activity of the Ireland wingers Keith Earls and Shane Horgan there was far more points of attack. For all his brilliance Brüssow can only be in one place at a time. So vary the point of attack.

Over the months since his debut he has been extraordinary on the deck but over the weeks I’ve watched him specifically. What else does he do? He’s a very solid defender, particularly when you run directly at him. However, he’s not that quick and there’s nothing special in the lineout. Although he gets on the ball he rarely provides a link preferring to go into contact giving him a 6 and a half position (neither jersey 6 nor 7). South Africa have many injuries for tomorrow but Juan Smith is a huge loss primarily for his athleticism and link play. Yes, Brüssow is a nuisance but only if the Ireland allow it.

What makes South Africa so special? Nothing really! Although they are World Champions, Tri-Nations Champions and have beaten New Zealand three times this year Ireland are more than capable of performing against them.

Their “special” factor is epitomised by Bakkies Botha. Botha is a real dog, an enforcer and highly disruptive in the lineout maul. Watch him closely, pulling the maul down and pushing players around. Against France Botha pushed Imanol Harinordoquy off the ball so hard that he knocked over another Springbok which resulted in the assistant referee flagging the French man and three points for South Africa.The big man in the middle of the row is liable to burst over, if given the right attention. So he needs to be targeted “old school”.

I think tomorrow will be Donncha O’Callaghan finest hour where he should follow Botha around poking him, pinching him, prodding and jibing him. With that in mind if Ireland intend mauling the lineout, which is very likely, then Paul O’Connell must keep in referee Nigel Owens’s ear. Botha will pull it down and must be punished.

Their loss of centre Adi Jacobs is a real plus to South Africa as coach Peter de Villiers has remained far too loyal to him. I was really looking forward to the activity down his channel. The Italian try last week resulted from terrible defence by Jacobs. Pity. Certainly Blue Bull Wynand Olivier offers far more in both attack and defence. Both Springbok centres are large athletes that must be met on the gainline.

Let’s be realistic, although the Springboks have frontrow changes they will target our scrum. I believe our scrum will surprise a few tomorrow. And from a more settled scrum I hope that there is far more activity around the 10 channel. This will provide another point of attack as both Wallace and Jamie Heaslip can make ground given the right angle.

Due to the Springbok kicking game turnovers are crucial to Ireland. France exposed the Springboks by shifting the ball and attacking space. Every player in a blue jersey was aware of actions on. Both the Argentine and French frontrows are the best in the world at adding value to the ball. French loosehead Fabien Barcella was magnificent and Healy can match his performance.

The secret for tomorrow is moving the ball away from contact and fast, changing angles and running at weak shoulders. Tomorrow will be a kicking fest where the set piece will neutralise itself. So the flow of ball is key. And while Brüssow is busy crawling around the ground David Wallace should be scoring tries.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
It is fair to point out, it's well known that Toland is off his game and mainly put in there for comedy effect when he loses it and starts quoting Patton again.
 
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