Farr-Jones ?traitor

[nicobinho]

I agree with you man 100%, you gotta use any method to see results..

 

[Muttonbird]

I reackon Quade os a bit of a pussy - but he has obviously been given the job of annoying ritchie and its working. The genia try in Brisbane a great example. Quade is in RM's face the preceeding ruck, Thorn comes over to back up RM, QC (Quade Cooper) frees himself and drifts right, BT wanting to hammer QC (Quade Cooper) drifts with him, leaving a couple of slow fat forwards and a gap a mile wide for Genia to go through. Brilliant stuff.

Should have been blown up by Barnes but he's myopic to general play. Cooper was offside and in play, as it were.

Hopefully, with all the publicity about it, the refs at the RWC will wise-up to Quade Cooper.

 

[pete88]

You must be joking. If an AB' had kneed Cooper in the face & then gotten off, the frothing her about kiwi bias, thugs, cheats etc would have gone up another level... to 11 from 10.

This is such a non issue, the airtime it's getting is a bit silly. Especially given that

1) there are a fair amoutn of bloody good rugby matches on to watch
2) from a stat p.o.v the chances of NZ actually playing Oz in thsi world cup is actually quite slim.

What do you think I'm joking about? You don't think McCaw offered Cooper any provocation when he studded him in the shins or punched/elbowed him in the face?

As far as "would Aussies be bleating like Kiwis if the roles were reversed", well of course they bloody would, that's what sports fans do and I never contradicted that. However if the knee was a similar non-event/light contact as Cooper's was, I wouldn't be part of said bleating, beyond selfishly and quietly hoping it ruined the All Blacks chances purely cos they're competition.

I totally agree that this should be a non-event, but the Kiwi press has blown up about it, and the HK thing, and so it won't go away until these two stop playing against eachother or (unlikely) stop niggling eachother (and don't pretend it's not mutual, that's just stupid).

 

[Bullrush]

Here my issue with the niggle that McCaw gets.

For all the whining and whinging about his supposed cheating and infringements, the man really must have an invisible cloak as is so often claimed.

How else do players like Dylan Hartley and Andy Powell get away with foreams to the head and head-high tackles on him without even getting penalised? While people like to point the finger at the Mealamu incident last year, at least he got sighted and actually got suspended. Hartley - nothing. Powell - actually won a scrum feed for his team.

You get away with some and you get pinged for some but if you can't hide forever and if Quade continues to look for the niggle, he'll run the risk of getting a reputation for it eg. Bathies Bokka. Although he only seems to do it with McCaw...so maybe not.

Anyway, McCaw is big enough to look after and guys like Brad Thorn seem to take exception to McCaw getting dirty treatment. While it stays at fairly low level niggly shit, the guys on the field will probably sort it out.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

What do you think I'm joking about? You don't think McCaw offered Cooper any provocation when he studded him in the shins or punched/elbowed him in the face?

As far as "would Aussies be bleating like Kiwis if the roles were reversed", well of course they bloody would, that's what sports fans do and I never contradicted that. However if the knee was a similar non-event/light contact as Cooper's was, I wouldn't be part of said bleating, beyond selfishly and quietly hoping it ruined the All Blacks chances purely cos they're competition.

I totally agree that this should be a non-event, but the Kiwi press has blown up about it, and the HK thing, and so it won't go away until these two stop playing against eachother or (unlikely) stop niggling eachother (and don't pretend it's not mutual, that's just stupid).

Studded him in the shins... whatever trevor. If that was a provactive thing, then I'm David Gale. You were just looking for something and found the biggest non-event ever.

Anyway, that's my last thoughts on this crap, I'm off to NZ in a few hours to enjoy the RWC. I won't be picking up a paper when I'm there, that's for sure.

 

[BRIX]

In my humble and honest opinion, this issue is not about who 'niggled' who first, or whether or not our self righteous asses deem the action from both parties 'cheap' or not. The crux of the matter is that a former Australian World Cup winning captain who knows the ins & outs and the pitfalls of journalism actually gave the ever vigilant press something to gnaw on. 5 pages on this ridiculous issue shows our fascination to this shit is the sort of fuel that journos thrive on. I think it's safe to say that we can all agree to disagree on the finer points yet come to some sort of mutual agreement with the timing and lack of tact NFJ showed.

 

[pete88]

Studded him in the shins... whatever trevor. If that was a provactive thing, then I'm David Gale. You were just looking for something and found the biggest non-event ever.

Anyway, that's my last thoughts on this crap, I'm off to NZ in a few hours to enjoy the RWC. I won't be picking up a paper when I'm there, that's for sure.

You can't talk about Cooper vs McCaw without going back to the start of it (like the media does every time it comes up). If you genuinely think the whole thing is a non-event, I wish you were a newspaper editor. If you think getting studded in the shins is nothing and a little shove in the head is more serious or wouldn't be a reasonable reaction to that, then we'll have to agree to disagree cos we just have very different ideas about proportionality and context (or you think anything that McCaw does isn't provocative?) and there's no way we'll convince eachother to see reason on an internet forum during RWC time. Enjoy being home for the RWC, hope you've arranged to see the ABs play.

And yeah this thread needs to die so I'll drop it now.

 

[Braveheart81]

This is the biggest beat up since the POB keeping Mark Lawrence out of the RWC argument.

 

[Victorian Reds Fan]

Should have been blown up by Barnes but he's myopic to general play. Cooper was offside and in play, as it were.

Hopefully, with all the publicity about it, the refs at the RWC will wise-up to Quade Cooper.

McCaw has been dishing up the same cheating tactics for close to a decade and the refs have yet to wise-up to that so don't get your hopes up in regards to Cooper. I hope he continues niggling McCaw. I find it quite entertaining.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

. Enjoy being home for the RWC, hope you've arranged to see the ABs play.

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Cheers pal.. yeah, NZ vs France! All kicks off tomorrow for me though with you lot vs the Oirish!

 

[mudskipper]

I haven't seen Quade Cooper penalised for any of these minor antics... There's not much in it, just a little botha, a little niggle... I don't here Richie McCaw complaining... a massive beat up rugby fans... NFJ has gone soft and forgotten rugby is a physical competitive game... NFJ should pick up a whistle and start refereeing on the field and not form the press...

 

[Braveheart81]

Talking about niggle... after Adam Byrnes tried to start a fight with Todd Clever and Clever responded with a late shoulder charge on one of the Ruskis about a minute later, he has now been cited.

 

[mudskipper]

niggle works... sometimes... There are some who are trying too defend NFJ comments, saying it was taken out of connect at a speaking lunch engagement... he clearly needs to be wiser at these city business rugby lunches as not all buy what he has for sale...

 

[Blob]

The real start of the McCaw niggle was when McCaw charged through a Cooper tackle in the HK game. Cooper, humiliated, was left with only one option.

 

[Victorian Reds Fan]

It was started by Cooper cleaning out McCaw who was once again entering from the side.

 

[boyo]

In my opinion:-
- QC (Quade Cooper) is being a boofhead
- QC (Quade Cooper) is over-rated
- QC (Quade Cooper) can be expensive in terms of giving away free kicks, penalties, yellow cards etc.
- QC (Quade Cooper) is a turnstile in defence

I think that NFJ is entitled to his opinion.

As far RMcC's transgressions on the field go, that's another story.

 

[Victorian Reds Fan]

In my opinion:-
- QC (Quade Cooper) is being a boofhead
- QC (Quade Cooper) is over-rated
- QC (Quade Cooper) can be expensive in terms of giving away free kicks, penalties, yellow cards etc.
- QC (Quade Cooper) is a turnstile in defence

I think that NFJ is entitled to his opinion.

As far RMcC's transgressions on the field go, that's another story.

So QC (Quade Cooper) has no good qualities in your opinion?

 

[Muttonbird]

The real start of the McCaw niggle was when McCaw charged through a Cooper tackle in the HK game. Cooper, humiliated, was left with only one option.

[video=youtube;-bIrSvC2WSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIrSvC2WSw[/video]

2:21. It was just rugby but I guess QC (Quade Cooper) took it the wrong way.

 

[matty_k]

The real start of the McCaw niggle was when McCaw charged through a Cooper tackle in the HK game. Cooper, humiliated, was left with only one option.

Was that option of clearing McCaw off a ruck and then receiving a kick from McCaw for his efforts? If so it is a strange option to take in retaliation.

 

[matty_k]

I think QC (Quade Cooper)'s nanna has the final word on this issue.
From Rugby Heaven.

WALLABIES five-eighth Quade Cooper continues to be attacked from every direction. The New Zealand media belt him endlessly, and even former Wallabies skipper Nick Farr-Jones has chimed in, labelling him a boofhead for provoking All Blacks skipper Richie McCaw. NZ newspapers yesterday listed five reasons to dislike him. These included his ''bogan haircuts'', ''the Jonny Wilkinson toilet-stance kicking ritual'', and that ''he's a New Zealander playing in a yellow jersey''. At last someone has come to Cooper's defence. The New Zealand Herald tracked down Quade's 76-year-old grandmother, Millie Cooper, who has told all to leave him alone. ''They said 'Quadey' kneed Richie McCaw's head. They see the bad part but they didn't see who was pushing him … build a bridge and get over it,'' she said. ''It seems there's a little bit of jealousy both here and over in Aussie, but as long as his teammates get on well - bugger the rest. He's not a whakahihi [arrogant] boy, you know, he loves children and he loves the old people - he's got patience to be with young and old.'' Even though the local media are targeting Cooper, the NZ population love him. He is being swamped everywhere he goes, and is often the last on the Wallabies' team bus at training or functions as he has to sign so many autographs.