and they turned me off watching cricket as they went on like classless "boofheads"
Cheap shots are dumb and sledging is dumb
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and they turned me off watching cricket as they went on like classless "boofheads"
Cheap shots are dumb and sledging is dumb
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Johnnie Wallace (23)
How many Super 14 games have you played, huh?
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Alex Ross (28)
I think cricket sledging is a good analogy, and it explains a lot of people's reactions.
Sledging serves a valuable purpose in putting someone off their game (e.g. M-Waugh to some pom: "you're not fucking good enough to play for your country") but the only time it inspires and appeals to the public is when it's off-the-cuff, or particularly a comeback (e.g. that pom to M-Waugh: "at least I'm the best in my family").
What Coops is doing falls firmly into the first category. If he had planted one on McCaw when McCaw was holding him down, then everyone (including NFJ) would have applauded him - but it seems like Cooper is always the instigator.
Sledging serves a valuable purpose in putting someone off their game (e.g. M-Waugh to some pom: "you're not fucking good enough to play for your country") but the only time it inspires and appeals to the public is when it's off-the-cuff, or particularly a comeback (e.g. that pom to M-Waugh: "at least I'm the best in my family").
What Coops is doing falls firmly into the first category. If he had planted one on McCaw when McCaw was holding him down, then everyone (including NFJ) would have applauded him - but it seems like Cooper is always the instigator.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
However, the Australian cricket team couldn't hack it when the sledging was directed their way ie Glenn McGrath.
I'm a cricket tragic and I think that sledging can be a bit of an artform. A good sledge is fantastic but bad sledging is poor form and not in the spirit of the game. The Aussies took things a bit far during their time as the World's best team. Players like Warne and Hayden in particular went way over the top.
I think a good sledge is something that unsettles the batsmen because it is genuinely funny. Not because it is overly insulting to the batsman.
A good one my mate came up with recently was "This guy has less strokes than my lawn mower... and it's only a two stroke."
Maybe you had to be there.
I think a good sledge is something that unsettles the batsmen because it is genuinely funny. Not because it is overly insulting to the batsman.
A good one my mate came up with recently was "This guy has less strokes than my lawn mower... and it's only a two stroke."
Maybe you had to be there.
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Trevor Allan (34)
I'm not too much in agreeance with NFJ, but it's nice to hear somebody respect our rugby once again.
Us sensitive litle souls over in teh shaky isles have been feeling a bit trodden down ever since Hansen said his revoluation of the Wallabies not respecting us.
Cheers Nicko.
Us sensitive litle souls over in teh shaky isles have been feeling a bit trodden down ever since Hansen said his revoluation of the Wallabies not respecting us.
Cheers Nicko.
Antony
Alex Ross (28)
We made a bloke hit out last summer by saying he looked like the bad guy from Billy Madison. I think he just wanted to stop hanging out with us..
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I just re-watched the infamous Tana Umaga/ Keven Mealamu late and blatant and extremely dangerous tackle on Brian O'Driscoll in 2005 British Lion Tour Game 1. That sort of play ought to be reviled and vilified. QCs little love taps and hand-bag flings should just be giggled at.
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Wato
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I have no problem with NFJ's comments. I think you need to earn the right to niggle. QC (Quade Cooper) hasn't been around long enough or played consistently well enough to have earned the tight to niggle RM. I'm no fan of RM and spend a great deal of time yelling at the TV when he's playing but he deserves a certain amount of respect.
I played with a young hooker who decided that, because he was making his first grade debut, he had the right to sledge his opposite number who was 10 yerars older and had been around for a while. We let the opposion hooker put 1 on his chin to teach him a leason before we stepped in. The pup was very quiet for the rest of the game, and after he grew up a bit turned into a bloody good player.
I played with a young hooker who decided that, because he was making his first grade debut, he had the right to sledge his opposite number who was 10 yerars older and had been around for a while. We let the opposion hooker put 1 on his chin to teach him a leason before we stepped in. The pup was very quiet for the rest of the game, and after he grew up a bit turned into a bloody good player.
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Rev Spooner
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Bloody awful - here's the video for those of you missed it.
[video=youtube;OsXJyDHFKn0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXJyDHFKn0[/video]
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I suppose BOD wasn't worthy of any respect back the eh?
This is awesome if you've never seen it.
Pulp Sport, a TV Show in NZ got them to make up.
[video=youtube;5Q4dtr9-QA4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q4dtr9-QA4[/video]
Pulp Sport, a TV Show in NZ got them to make up.
[video=youtube;5Q4dtr9-QA4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q4dtr9-QA4[/video]
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Tony Shaw (54)
Agree. When you go back enough, there's been plenty of serious niggle and other stuff from the ABs that at the very least is wholly ledger-balancing with QC (Quade Cooper)'s little hand flaps.
When you have an ex-Wallaby like NFJ getting on his media-hugging soap box and moralising (as though his era's players were all fucking whiter than white) and condemning QC (Quade Cooper) as 'a dope' etc for not 'respecting the great AB culture' in the middle of an RWC campaign (when he easily could have spoken privately to QC (Quade Cooper)), it's no wonder rugby has become a minor, 4th-ranked sport in Australia that many general football fans think is right up itself and run by an introverted cabal of out-of-touch blazer boys.
We aren't seeing niggle, we are seeing knees in the back, the same shit Bakies does and we all moan about - a cheap shot.
I simply dislike cheap shots, they aren't necessary and they are simply dumb because when the ref catches him (and if he continues he will be caught), he will end up in the bin and his team potentially a further 3 points down.
Let him focus his niggle into a comment after a dominant tackle (ala Gregan) or stepping past someone, not kneeing someone in the back.
I simply dislike cheap shots, they aren't necessary and they are simply dumb because when the ref catches him (and if he continues he will be caught), he will end up in the bin and his team potentially a further 3 points down.
Let him focus his niggle into a comment after a dominant tackle (ala Gregan) or stepping past someone, not kneeing someone in the back.
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A really good analogy is when Sam Riley ( a great little OZ , Qlder, swimmer ) was caught havind taken di -gesic, a moderate pain killer that was unfortunately banned. There were tearful admissions that she'd made a mistake and she copped the ban. The thing is a huge hypocrisy was about to occur. The Chinese swim team, who was in the middle of a sustained and structured system of steroid abuse came out and said" the Australians are drug cheats".
I reckon if you change a few names and sports around you can see some similarities with the Quade case!
I reckon if you change a few names and sports around you can see some similarities with the Quade case!
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Indeed.
I think there's a clear difference between a 'niggle' and a cowardly dickhead act.
Maybe Quade should put a bit more effort into making a tackle than inflicting a cheap shot on a vulnerable player?
I think your memory of the event is a bit hazy.
She protested her innocence and her coach, Scott Volkers said it was his fault as he'd given it to her. Eventually Riley escaped any ban whatsoever.
I thought the hypocrisy in that situation was how much Australia had protested against the Chinese but when one of our swimmers failed a drug test, they were innocent. She most certainly didn't cop the two year ban. Swimming Australia campaigned vigorously until it was overturned.
She protested her innocence and her coach, Scott Volkers said it was his fault as he'd given it to her. Eventually Riley escaped any ban whatsoever.
I thought the hypocrisy in that situation was how much Australia had protested against the Chinese but when one of our swimmers failed a drug test, they were innocent. She most certainly didn't cop the two year ban. Swimming Australia campaigned vigorously until it was overturned.
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