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Eddie Jones: Stopping Sonny Bill

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Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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From http://www.rugbyxv.co.za/coaches-corner/news/326-stopping-sonny-bill

Stopping Sonny Bill

Eddie Jones talks about how he'd coach a side to defend against Sonny Bill Williams and highlights his one weakness.

Williams has been the most talked about figure in this year's Super Rugby competition, and that trend has continued this week with much discussion centring on his personal duel with Jean de Villiers. De Villiers delivered his best attacking performance of the campaign last week against the Sharks, but he must also take credit for his defensive role in that victory.

However, comparing Meyer Bosman to Williams is akin to comparing Jonah Lomu to Phillip Burger, and the Stormers will realise that.

De Villiers repeatedly tackled Bosman and the ball simultaneously, which led to turnovers, dropped balls and Gio Aplon's try. Lionel Cronje's role will also be crucial in thwarting Williams, and the Stormers flyhalf proved his defensive abilities are not far off Peter Grant's (his one-on-one hit on Willem Alberts on his own line was massive at an important junction of the game in the second half).

'Because Williams is so big and strong, that makes him such a difficult prospect to contain,' Jones told rugbyxv.co.za. 'Without Dan Carter however, he is definitely less dangerous. Matt Berquist doesn't offer much of a threat as he doesn't attack the line as often as Carter.

'The Stormers' 10 and 12 will have to work really hard together. The first guy must go low and the second must tackle the ball. You can't present a staggered line, and the defenders on the inside must come up quickly off the line. They have to repeatedly double-team him.'


The Chiefs and Force couldn't produce the desired result against the Crusaders, but those contests did show weaknesses in Williams's game.

'Williams's 50/50 passes are definitely a flaw,' said Jones. 'He turns it over far too much for such a good player. That separates the good players from the great ones – the number of mistakes they make.

'Williams is too loose. Two or three turnovers early in the game and that can result in 15 or 16 rucks for the opposition.

'The scary thing is that if he was more selective with his offload, he'd be more effective.'

The wet and windy weather predicted for Saturday will also influence the success of Williams's offloads, while it will also affect the flow of the game.

'Both teams have quite similar philosophies. They stress field position and prefer to attack off opposition ball and unstructured possession. The Stormers now have the best defence in the competition, and they've taken over that mantle from the Saders.

'In the expected conditions, the scrums will be really significant, so that front row battle is something to watch out for. Whoever gets the edge there will get field position more easily.

'Also influencing the territory will be the role of the fullbacks. The selection of Conrad Jantjes over the last few weeks indicates they'll kick a lot. The Saders will also kick a lot from their own half, which makes the kick-return super important. Whoever wins that will allow them to score points in the opposition half.'

By Grant Ball

Double-marking - not rocket science I guess

Is Eddie mind fucking with SBW about the offloads? may be sloppy sometimes, but otherwise lethal

Not sure about the Saders kicking that much though - they haven't so far in the comp
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I have a game thread running for this one. The test will be on saturday, Stormers rush defense and expect Schalk will run at the back of the backline to close first tackle misses. Saders will probably try and copy what Cooper did to the Stormers. Wont work this time with Jantjes in 15 and Cronje in 10. I am more worried about the scrums, thats where the Saders are really strong.
 

Victorian Reds Fan

Bob Loudon (25)
Basically said what I have said on a few occasions; target the ball in his hands and his obsessive offloading is only sometimes affective. Will not work at the wc.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Was in two minds Paarl. Thought I'd let the full man-love unfurl
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
The thing about SBW is that he has such class players around him. Concentrate on him and you've got Freuan, Maitland, Dagg and Guildford to contain as well.
 
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tranquility

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How good is Sean Maitland? He would be in my all blacks side if I were coach. That bloke from the Clan, Ben Smith is very good as well.

Did I just stray off topic.. Apologies
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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The thing about SBW is that he has such class players around him. Concentrate on him and you've got Freuan, Maitland, Dagg and Guildford to contain as well.

That's a given playing the Crusaders though.

What SBW does is to amplify the danger of those players. i.e. you let him play and he'll create the offloads and line-breaks for those guys to rip you to shreds. As good as those players are, letting SBW play the way he wants makes them unstoppable
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I would reckon you'd have to be concentrating every second of every game against that backline. Line speed and employing a disciplined drift defence I reckon would be pretty important.
 

MajorlyRagerly

Trevor Allan (34)
Sbw being talked about in how to contain spiels by Aussie coaches? Must mean he's good?

Where is the obligatory thread or video on Gagr talking about what a cheat he is? :)
 

Sandpit Fan

Nev Cottrell (35)
Sbw being talked about in how to contain spiels by Aussie coaches? Must mean he's good?

Where is the obligatory thread or video on Gagr talking about what a cheat he is? :)

We're just putting together the highlights reel with all the shoulder charges...:fishing

Actually I have been impressed how he has done. Like a lot of others I figured he would have trouble with that part of his game, but most of them have been textbook hits that any No8 would be proud to claim!
 
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Alex-A

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Having two players marking him seems a the best option with what we've got. But wouldn't the very best tactic be to have one appropriately sized 12 to match him? He can only get away with the offloads because there are very few players out there big/strong enough to can tackle him high (thus preventing the offload) without getting shrugged of. Mungos like GI and Jamal Idris are the ideal big centres which our code never seems to develop.
 

Cutter

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Mungos like GI and Jamal Idris are the ideal big centres which our code never seems to develop.

Jamie Roberts, Jean de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Robbie Fruean, Stirling Mortlock, Yannick Jauzion, Basteauraud (sp?)...there are plenty of big, skilful centres in rugby.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Eddie Jones has a point about the offloads. If he just hit it up hard over the advantage line in the Mortlock mould, recycle quickly and then unleash Fruen on the bent line would be more effective. He overplays the offload.

Eddies defencive plan will crash in a heap if SBW is used as the decoy runner though. I see a big overlap out there in that event.
 

Scott Allen

Trevor Allan (34)
Agree that the double team plan would be simple to overcome and in fact exploit using SBW as the decoy and passing behind him.

I think the best way to defend against him would be a pincer move with #12 defending outside SBW angling in at him and #10 angling out at him. They aim to hit him from both sides at the same time. Backrow has to cover inside channel but this would mean the two tacklers are coming at him from different angles which makes it harder to offload as compared to against defenders in front of you. #13 and outside just defend their men. Then if they use a decoy move #13 is still left on his man.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Agree that the double team plan would be simple to overcome and in fact exploit using SBW as the decoy and passing behind him.

I think the best way to defend against him would be a pincer move with #12 defending outside SBW angling in at him and #10 angling out at him. They aim to hit him from both sides at the same time. Backrow has to cover inside channel but this would mean the two tacklers are coming at him from different angles which makes it harder to offload as compared to against defenders in front of you. #13 and outside just defend their men. Then if they use a decoy move #13 is still left on his man.

Can't see this being effective. Both defenders are unsure as to who makes the tackle which means SBW just dummies and goes (actually, I did this in a game just a couple of weeks ago to score a try :) ). If they both commit hard to ensure the tackle, it still leaves the off-load option open except he has the extra option of off-loading on the inside channel the 10 leaves open. The loosie may cover it but it's a tough assignment because they have to cover more ground than usual.

He's not just strong and he's not only got the off-load but he has got some real gas as well. So dangerous.
 

Scott Allen

Trevor Allan (34)
Bullrush - the idea is they both make the tackle - one low and one on the ball as Eddie suggests - both players know that once #10 passes the ball they are going to make a double tackle on SBW.

Whichever arm he holds the ball in the tackler on that side aims for the ball whilst the other goes low. The advantage of coming at him from an angle is that the player targeting the ball can get much better access to the ball carrying arm to either wrap the ball up or to force an error.

Yes, the back row has to work harder to cover the inside channel but he is such a destructive runner that no matter what strategy you use, the back row are going to have to work hard to help the inside backs deal with him. At least this way the backrow only has to make it to the #10 channel to cover the inside pass. I'd also rather encourage him to make the inside pass because if he does get an offload away that at least gets the receiver in the vicinity of the back row coming across in cover. The offload outside is the hardest to defend.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Bullrush - the idea is they both make the tackle - one low and one on the ball as Eddie suggests - both players know that once #10 passes the ball they are going to make a double tackle on SBW.

Whichever arm he holds the ball in the tackler on that side aims for the ball whilst the other goes low. The advantage of coming at him from an angle is that the player targeting the ball can get much better access to the ball carrying arm to either wrap the ball up or to force an error.

Yes, the back row has to work harder to cover the inside channel but he is such a destructive runner that no matter what strategy you use, the back row are going to have to work hard to help the inside backs deal with him. At least this way the backrow only has to make it to the #10 channel to cover the inside pass. I'd also rather encourage him to make the inside pass because if he does get an offload away that at least gets the receiver in the vicinity of the back row coming across in cover. The offload outside is the hardest to defend.

Fair enough. Sounds good to me....
 

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David Codey (61)
Austin,

i'm not sure I really understand.
How does the 10 cover his man & SBW as well. particularly if the 10 is not giving early ball?
I would suggest the larger defender goes high regardless of how SBW is holding the ball. The Tahs being a good example BB goes high & TC goes low?
 
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