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Dwyer speaks truth

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George Gregan (70)
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All good in that article until he suggests Cross or Chambers as a replacement for Fainga'a. One is injured and one is proven not to be up to international standard.

Cross and Chambers are both centres who understand how to run lines and how set up their outsides. If we look at S14 form I reckon Cross was near the form 12, he played very well their. His problem is his defense, not his attack. As for Fainga'a, he looked great outside Cooper, but so would Tom Carter, maybe even me .....................
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
2. The Fa'aingas have deserved their chance, and Moore hasn't looked any better than S Finger when he started last week

I think Moore has done better than Fainga'a so far this International season, and he's missed some footy lately too.
 

Toddy

Chris McKivat (8)
Anyway -- what I like about Dwyer's article is that he gives full credit to the ABs without giving an inch on what they're doing wrong, including illegal play. If Kiwis can't read that and recognise the balance then there's no bloody hope for them.

I think the article is pretty good when you consider it's for an OZ audience. It's not a balanced article though if he does not mention the illegal parts of the Wallabies game. I don't dispute what he says about the All Blacks illegal tactics but there isn't a balance in that article. Unless I missed the part about the Oz illegal tactics....
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
It's an article about why one team is winning and one losing. I think we can all accept that every team tries to get away with what they can. So, sure, yeah, the Wobs get away with a bit of illegal play. But the article sin't about illegal play, it's about why one team is losing and the other not. In my view, yes, it's balanced because it gives full credit to the ABs for winning and blames the Wobs for losing.
 
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H...

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I don't think this is really anything new. The better teams get the 50/50 calls and it happens in every sport. It means that the challenging teams just have to that much better and we haven't been doing that at all. Notwithstanding a real or perceived disadvantage through the refs, the wallabies have themselves to blame at the moment. This halfback waiting at the ruck business is bullshit, the last two weeks show us that the fly half can't get his men in order quick enough. WHat's most infuriating is that even after theyve waited 10 seconds, they still go with a one-out runner who gets it standing still! If you're going to wait half an hour before clearing it, you better have some real tricky shit ready to go.

There's also the fact that they continue to dick around with it inside their own 40. If you're making line break after line break I understand that, but last week it was a wall of defence all night, and the only one who seemed to notice this was Beale, who though that putting the ball behind their wingers mightnt be a bad idea, and rightly so. We've long known that the islander wingers aint the best with the bouncing ball behind them, what happened to exploiting that? If we're going to be innefective it may aswell be in their half rather than ours. We gave them 10 points ( a penalty and Sharpe's knock that led promptly to a try) that we needn't have last week because we were trying to score tries from our own half.

I know, I know, my view is archaic and the game has changed. Well when we can hold onto the ball and reliably retain it at the breakdown, I'll agree that we can run the ball in own own 40 more. Until then, I'd rather make mistakes in their 40.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Yeah it is an interesting improvement on last years style of play, H... . Last year teams were terrified to take the ball into contact because of the very high risk that they would lose possesion due to the fetchers being given greater powers. This year, the Wallabies opitimise the mindset of teams with the ball: they seem to be kicking as little as is possible, in order to avoid giving their opposition the opportunity to counter attack.

I think you can still kick and be successful this year. Firstly, I noticed last week that most of the kicks the Wob's did from their own 22 made touch, but just barely. This ment that the AB's back three were in a prime position to take the quick throw and counter attack. If you're kicking from touch in your own 22, its gotta go well into touch; I think it has to at least clear the advetisement boards.

Same deal for kicking outside your 22. Instead of long, arching kicks looking to bounce once and roll out, they should be aiming to send long grubber kicks or low kicks that will gain metres and neutralise the quick throw after sending ball wider in the backs.

To avoid gifting opposition back three's the quick throw, you may need to sacrifice the distance of your kicks but 10 metres shorter on a kick out in you're 22 with the ball going well out is a small price to pay for the neutralisation of the quick throw counter attack.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
Cross and Chambers are both centres who understand how to run lines and how set up their outsides. If we look at S14 form I reckon Cross was near the form 12, he played very well their. His problem is his defense, not his attack. As for Fainga'a, he looked great outside Cooper, but so would Tom Carter, maybe even me .....................

Garbage. Cross has always been a completelty pussy lateral runner who murders his backline mates by running diagonally and giving his support zero room. He is the only bloke I've ever seen worse than Giteau at that. I've lost count of the time Cross's teammates receive a pass as they are over the sideline and throw him a confused 'WTF were you thinking there, you fucking muppet' look.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Not to mention that Cross was totally out played a few weeks ago in the Shute Shield by Lachlan Turner playing at 13. Beat Cross inside and out and destroyed him defensively. Cross didn't make a break all day. I was and still am astounded that the Tahs went for Cross over Spanner.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
On ya Bob. Still my favourite Wallabies coach, just loved the game the Wallabies played under Dwyer, set moves, counter attack in depth with "bodies in motion" and dynamic forward play.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Nope, Dwyer said not long after getting the Axe in 95 that he made a big error in taking an old team with quite a few injuries and some players out of form.

While they were successful I hated the Macqueen recycle game.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
My recollection (and I was really only just starting to watch rugby seriously at that stage) was that he changed their backline alignment to very flat, and the players struggled with the lack of time before hitting the defensive line, and they just appeared as sitting ducks for the defense. It just seemed a huge coaching mistake.

He did have some older players, and some struggling with form and injury, but the quality was still there, and they should not have lost in the semis.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
The flat line attack wasn't new it had been used in 1994 with great effect. What was missing was the fit players Willie O' carried knee injury, Kearns - ankle, Campo - ankle/knee, Gregan wasn't in form, Mcall - out of form and one of the old guard, Gavin the same, Horan (player of the touny in' 99) was only just coming back from the knee injury that could have stopped many from walking again.

Read Rugbyreg's article on the subject.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/rugby-world-cup-1995-2011/

Dwyer had a hell of a lot better record heading into both his RWC attempts than Deans has with this squad. He had a team winning and winning consistantly with at least as big a turn over in squad members and injuries issues.
 
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TOCC

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I agree about Cross, every time he got the ball he ran laterally, seemingly trying to beat his defenders on the outside or get easy meters... might have worked in the NRL, but not test rugby.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Dwyer was the king of the flat backline. My recollection is that his Randwick teams played it and so did the Wallabies during both his tenures. The 1995 campaign was a bridge too far and really from the moment we lost that opening game against RSA we were cooked. What a great era we had for that five year period though and we played some superb footy and won basically everything there was to win. I think the series against the AB's in 1992 is my abiding memory of that time, winning the Bleddie against a very good All Black team.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Don't know if this has been posted but I saw a clip on Fux sports last night. Dwyer didn't hold back when asked about plaeyrs. He said the Finger twins, Mumm and O'Connor "canlt be in a World Cup winning team or starting team" or something to that extent. BAsically implied that they suck.

Not pulling punches at all.
 

Crow

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Not sure on JOC (James O'Connor). He may not be in the starting 15, but is a useful utility back and can cover the majority of the back positions.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Just watched Bob on the Rugby Club and the NZers should really have a look before they start criticising what he said. He was very impressed by the ABs game and highlighted what they did well.

Of most note for me was when Canno and McArdle put him on the spot and pushed him about which five players he thought were not up to the RWC job Dwyer somewhat reluctantly anted up and said, Ma'afu, Brown, Mumm, O'Connor (on the wing), The finger twins. Nominated Beale to play 13 and Chambers to be special.

Basically stood by his claim that Oz would at best make the semi finals and would not be a quality semi finalist at that. Can't say that on results and the massive improvements we have seen :'( that he is wrong.

The thing is Dwyer produces evidence to support his claims (which many posters here have also stated) and the eternal optimists write us off as Pessimists and in some cases lacking in Patriotism.

I've got to say I am sick of J. Paul snickering and giggling all the time in the background like a school girl. Piss him of Fox and get a decent commentator or leave the spot free for additional guests.
 
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