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Decline of Test match leaders

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Mark Ella (57)
Some of these players in the Wallabies are proving to be far more mature than what their age would say. The Wallabies are starting to resemble the Deans Crusader sides of the past in that young inexperienced players come into the side and just step up. The culture in the team is very impressive.
 
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TheTruth

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A Captain should be absolutely unquestioned in HIS position, preferably have an old head, great respect from players and coaching staff alike, be measured, calm and clinical in his response to refs and players. Believe Rocky displays some of those attributes - Pocock probably all of them. Newter's comment re Benn R - wow you have to be kdding after performances this year (except that last game of 50minutes - which was a beauty). JOC (James O'Connor) - great kid and all that but a winger and a long way from the action.
Pocock looks the goods IMO - just don't when his opportunity will come
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
Some of these players in the Wallabies are proving to be far more mature than what their age would say. The Wallabies are starting to resemble the Deans Crusader sides of the past in that young inexperienced players come into the side and just step up. The culture in the team is very impressive.

2 big differences with the Crusader teams and this Wallaby team:

1. Robbie Deans didn't create that culture. He inherited it from Wayne Smith. That's not to say that he can't try to emulate it but Wayne Smith is generally regarded as the person who started the current rugby culture in Canterbury.

2. The young players who step up in Canterbury have the mature 'old-heads' along-side them. If you look at Dean's first Super title, it was the Crusaders 3rd title and they had guys like Todd Blackadder, Justin Marshall, Andrew Mehrtens, Reuben Thorne, Norm Maxwell, Darryl Gibson, Mark Hammett and Scott Robertson all with at least 2 or more years experience than the young guns of Greg Sommerville, Ron Cribb, Mark Robinson and Aaron Mauger. And it's always been that way. Not like this Wallabies team where there aren't so many veterans running around.
 
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A Captain should be absolutely unquestioned in HIS position, preferably have an old head, great respect from players and coaching staff alike, be measured, calm and clinical in his response to refs and players. Believe Rocky displays some of those attributes - Pocock probably all of them. Newter's comment re Benn R - wow you have to be kdding after performances this year (except that last game of 50minutes - which was a beauty). JOC (James O'Connor) - great kid and all that but a winger and a long way from the action.
Pocock looks the goods IMO - just don't when his opportunity will come

No I think Rocky's good. No problems with him. Leads the defence much like Gregan once did and is always near the ball.

I just think the natural leaders around him are very young. Too young this year for a serious World Cup assault.

Benn Robinson won't be Wallaby captain. But the Waratahs need to groom a successor to Waugh and he's the man IMO.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Mumm's a good captain. I already rate him one of the best locks in Super rugby. (Just because he can't make it at Test level doesn't mean he's worse than players that are better than him at Test level).
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
Mumm's a good captain. I already rate him one of the best locks in Super rugby. (Just because he can't make it at Test level doesn't mean he's worse than players that are better than him at Test level).

If someone is better than me at the top level of competition, than I am a worse player.

Are you saying that although other players at Test level are better than him, he would make a better captain?
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
If someone is better than me at the top level of competition, than I am a worse player.

Are you saying that although other players at Test level are better than him, he would make a better captain?

I'm saying he's a very good S15 player that can't make it at Test level. One of the best actually. Also a good captain.
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
I'm saying he's a very good S15 player that can't make it at Test level. One of the best actually. Also a good captain.

Would he be in your Test squad just for leadership abilities? Just wondering....

Some Kiwis would argue that was the main reason Reuben Thorne was in the AB squad for so long and under different coaches.
 
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