Deans contract extended

[daz]

i think there is plenty to argue about, if people within australia question it the rest of the world must be rolling there eyes.
i wish i had deans job, honestly, i thought last year was meant to be when results started, then we got one win out of four against the all blacks and were happy go lucky. but no, its this year, but then again even witht he world cup it doesnt matter cos he blooded young players, hip hip hooray, they have a bigger loosing percentage than the guys he shafted but there young so we rate them on a scale of "might get better" "will get better" "its possible even though it seems unlikely" and deans has no one to answer to

wj, I understand where you are coming from (to a point) but you are confusing your opinion of the Wallabies (and Deans) with the IRB rankings. These are mutually exclusive topics.

What Deans has done/will do is open to interpretation. The IRB ranking is not.

 

[waratahjesus]

wj, I understand where you are coming from (to a point) but you are confusing your opinion of the Wallabies (and Deans) with the IRB rankings. These are mutually exclusive topics.

What Deans has done/will do is open to interpretation. The IRB ranking is not.

and i understand where your coming from then stated my opinion, so were both hanging out on the same boardwalk, wanna hold hands?

 

[daz]

Aww sure! The coming together of a Tah and a Red, walking hand in hand into the sunset. We are poster boys for the NSW/QLD love fest this weekend...and an inspiration to G&GR members.

 

[Galloper]

Indeed they are. (Shit, that hurts...). They are becoming the kind of team that fans enjoy watching play the game.

You're right, I do enjoy watching England play.....as long as they lose! I'd much rather lose to the AB's than England.

 

[Gagger]

So England who lost to us (yes, no one remembers that game), lost to France, can't beat NZ and can't beat RSA is clear 2nd?

I guess thats why they have a points system

 

[Scotty]

I think some are getting a little confused with the difference between 'feeling we don't deserve to be in 2nd' and the reality of the system that says we are second. I am not doubting (nor I suspect is wj) the fact that we are ranked second, just noting that I, and expect quite a few others don't think we deserve to be in that position.

Don't think it is that hard to understand, is it?

 

[Gagger]

Scotty, I apologise for ignoring your feelings.

I hope this thread doesn't keep going down a route Mrs Gagger would use on me, or I'm truly fucked.

 

[Scarfman]

Make-up sex? I'm out.

As far as rankings are concerned, AUS, RSA, ENG, FRA are all very close. NZL well ahead.

My own theory is that Link does his best work in his first year as coach. I reckon he'd be handy against the B&I Lions, but just before a RWC would be good, too.

As for Deans' performance. Picking Giteau and Chisholm were crimes against humanity and I won't forget easily.

 

[Scotty]

Scotty, I apologise for ignoring your feelings.

I hope this thread doesn't keep going down a route Mrs Gagger would use on me, or I'm truly fucked.

Apology accepted. I can rest easy now.

(Although I'd better watch my back if you keep talking about 'routes' 'Mrs Gagger' and 'truly fucked' when responding to my posts.)

 

[Reddy!]

Okay, say if J'ON wait until after the WC to make a decision on Deans, except we don't win it, we come third after losing a semi-final. What would everyones feelings be then? Time to move on to a new coach?

 

[Ishmael]

I for one am ecstatic at the re-appointment. For all the Dingo Bingo, I really like Deans as a coach. He seems like someone I would have liked to play under during my less than illustrious playing days. I know it's been done in this forum, but what hasn't come up in this thread is the conditions Deans came in under. He inherited a Wallaby team that had been under-performing with a bunch of legends who retired the year before he started (Gregan, Larkham, Latham, etc.) The incumbents beyond those retirees were either getting on or weren't performing as they should. There have been some up and downs in the pack but given the basis Deans had to work from I've been very impressed with the ongoing progress he's made. We have to remember that while Deans has blooded a huge amount of players, some of whom have done very well (see IRB Player of the Year nominations) the AB's and Boks have been fielding consistent core groups. Regardless of the WC results, I'm more than happy with the work that Dingo has done and am stoked that he'll be retained.

 

[Langthorne]

I guess that for those who support the appointment, an IRB ranking of second is more important than the poor (relative to other Wallaby coaches) W/L ratio. I'd be interested to know if the extension was down to Deans achieving certain pre set goals, or if it was a general vibe kind of thing.

For some the glass is one third full, for others it is two thirds empty.

On the topic of the IRB rankings, does the relative strength (current ranking) of the teams in each match come into play? Is NZ worth more than Fiji, Ireland and Wales?

From my point of view, although all losses are unwelcome, losses to NZ and England suck the most.

 

[waratahjesus]

i love the argument that he blooded new players, i think whatever coach came in would have. Some of the players he blooded didnt work. see R.Brown for example, some of them have only been there through injury, see S.Finger, but the experience they got was good so we excuse that there not international level and praise dean cos our two choice hookers where out and he had to pick someone else?

we say the team was underperforming before him, yet we say it three years on with no silver in the cupboard and an unlikely chance of that changing.

so in conclusion, the argument seems to be, we went from an underperforming team of hasbeens to a team of blooded youth who may have a chance of winning something but where still "getting there". sounds like we should be offering life contracts.

wish my job didnt care about return.

 

[Richo]

For every Slipper, there has been a Ma'afood.

 

[Scotty]

I for one am ecstatic at the re-appointment. For all the Dingo Bingo, I really like Deans as a coach. He seems like someone I would have liked to play under during my less than illustrious playing days. I know it's been done in this forum, but what hasn't come up in this thread is the conditions Deans came in under. He inherited a Wallaby team that had been under-performing with a bunch of legends who retired the year before he started (Gregan, Larkham, Latham, etc.) The incumbents beyond those retirees were either getting on or weren't performing as they should. There have been some up and downs in the pack but given the basis Deans had to work from I've been very impressed with the ongoing progress he's made. We have to remember that while Deans has blooded a huge amount of players, some of whom have done very well (see IRB Player of the Year nominations) the AB's and Boks have been fielding consistent core groups. Regardless of the WC results, I'm more than happy with the work that Dingo has done and am stoked that he'll be retained.

In regards to Latham, he hadn't actually retired when Deans came in. He was offered a much reduced package by the ARU and decided to head overseas. Despite being due to leave at the end of the season Deans had spoken to him and told him he wanted him in the wallabies team for the remainder of the year. Unfortunately Latham got injured in (I think) is second last Reds game, which if my memory serves me correctly also left him stranded on 99 super 12/14 caps, and unable to play his farewell to Qld against the Tahs.

Deans recognised that he needed some experienced test players in his team to help bring the young ones along. Latham and Mortlock were the only two left in Australia. Unfortunately the ARU didn't understand this requirement as well as Deans did, so we lost our second most experienced back in a time of great need.

 

[mark_s]

Is anyone else surprised Dean's would actually want an extension? Seems he truly has given up all hope of coaching the All Blacks as it would the 2019 WC at the very earliest if he extends now with the Wobbs.

Personally, I am neither pelase nor displeased by the extension. Given Deans' has (or will be re-appointed), what I would like to see now is Link appointed as an assistant (on the promise that he will take over from Deans) to strengthen up the ACs.

 

[waratahjesus]

i dont think deans is going home, i have the feeling when he took the wobs job in the first place there was no going back.

 

[Ruggo]

I love the win loss argument. It is just a means of handing credit to a coach for the hard work of the coach before him.

 

[waratahjesus]

I love the win loss argument. It is just a means of handing credit to a coach for the hard work of the coach before him.

so your saying a coach shouldnt have to coach wins?

so eddie handed connolly his team and connolly handed deans his, so there fore deans has done nothing until the next coach inherits the team?

 

[Ruggo]

No I am saying the current coach benefits from the experimentation of the previous coach. For example Noddy retires after 1995 RWC and Greg Smith is left with the task of finding a new playmaker and dicks around with Horan at 10. Macqueen replaces Smith with the benefit of hindsight knowing that he has to look elsewhere and experiments with Larkham and finds a winner. The Wallabies click under Macqueen and he enjoys a good win loss record but he benefited from the experimentation of Smith who is remembered for a shit win loss record. Smith had a greenhorn Wallaby captain but Macqueen inherited the much more refined and experienced version.

I see this era of Australian Rugby as the most like the current one. Should somebody take over from Deans, they will enjoy the good win loss record on the basis of the work of Deans.

I don't see win loss records a true reflection of the work of the coach that holds that record. It does not take into account all the variables that need to be looked at to achieve a more holistic assessment.