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[boyo]

Very political and fairly silly comment boyo. Australia, with a so-called right wing government, while certainly not faultless, has actually outperformed the vast bulk of the developed world in dealing with the crisis, whereas, say Sweden, with a socialist government, has been a disaster. I mean you can point to Trump and Johnson, but to draw your conclusion from those two doesn't really stand analysis.
The governments that have performed well and poorly both seem to represent all sides of the political spectrum

Please re-read what I posted, instead of lazily falling back into tropes.
The governments of Trump and Johnson have completely mishandled the pandemic; they have been reactive, rather than proactive.
The government of Australia was late to do the right thing. Some would that was silly or, more to the point, negligent and downright dangerous. They treated some of the population as collateral damage. Later gains do not make up for this.
I am not defending negligence, no matter how you see me. I am judging on results. That may be inconvenient for you and for others.
The governments which appear to be the most successful in dealing with the pandemic are those which have gone early and have gone hard.
The government of South Korea is neither communist nor silly.
The government of New Zealand is neither communist nor silly.
Both of these countries are performing well above average in limiting the number of infections and limiting the number of deaths.

 

[boyo]

Or they are less inclined to enforce marshal law and limit individual rights as their first option

Totalitarian regimes are always less bothered with those pesky human rights.

See my response to Froggy. (btw it's martial, not marshal, law. You can "Holler for a Marshall".)

 

[boyo]

The highest deaths per million are in Spain and Italy led by two left wing governments but don’t let that get in the way of using the crisis to shoehorn in a political attack.

Progressive Sweden has stuck to no lockdowns so it is hard to see how different responses are broken purely on ideological grounds.

Italy was caught somewhat unawares.I think that Sweden's approach is far from good.
You too seem to have lazily proffered tropes.

 

[Up the Guts]

Italy was caught somewhat unawares.I think that Sweden's approach is far from good.
You too seem to have lazily proffered tropes.

Mate, you are the one who originally claimed right wing governments seem to be mishandling the crisis. Talk about proffering lazy tropes.

Now that it's pointed out that there are worse failures by governments on the other side of the political spectrum you are trying to explain it away. Italy had a 'hug a Chinese person' campaign in mid February, how does that rate on your "go hard, go early" criteria?

 

[Tex]

Pretty sure the 'political spectrum' debate is bunk when Australia's notionally right wing government pumps as much cash into the economy as they have done.

Undergraduate debates about politics and economic philosophies are fine until there's an actual crisis that needs managing.

 

[Froggy]

boyo, if you're going to jump on the internet and say that the poor response was principally from right wing governments and cite the US, the UK and Australia as evidence, you have absolutely no right to criticise anyone else for being lazy when they point out the flaws to your argument.
Your position on the Australian government's response seems very predicated on your political views, and couldn't assessed as an impartial position.
If you want hard facts, New Zealand (who I agree, has handled this very well) has an infection rate of 280 people per million, whereas Australia's infection rate is 249 people per million.
I don't intend to enter into further argument on this, as it is purely political and really doesn't advance the (in my opinion very good quality) debate we are having on here about dealing with COVID-19

 

[Up the Guts]

Pretty sure the 'political spectrum' debate is bunk when Australia's notionally right wing government pumps as much cash into the economy as they have done.

Undergraduate debates about politics and economic philosophies are fine until there's an actual crisis that needs managing.

Yeah, and the relatively progressive Swedish government has left everything open. Sort of the point being made by many posters, trying to attribute blame to political leanings is, ironically, the laziest proffering of tropes and not really contributing anything to discussions on managing the crisis.

 

[Tex]

Exactly. I'm not a fan of Morrison but apart from some early gaffes about attending league games and shaking hands, I think he's taken the right advice and copped the pain on the chin.

 

[fatprop]

All clear!

 

[boyo]

Mate, you are the one who originally claimed right wing governments seem to be mishandling the crisis. Talk about proffering lazy tropes.

Now that it's pointed out that there are worse failures by governments on the other side of the political spectrum you are trying to explain it away. Italy had a 'hug a Chinese person' campaign in mid February, how does that rate on your "go hard, go early" criteria?

Utter garbage. Quick, look over there.

Defend, defend, defend at all costs, seems to be your mantra. Defending the indefensible.

 

[boyo]

Yeah, but while the USofA was late to react, they have come to the table with similar policies now to those adopted to keep the spread at bay here. They were initially looking at a death rate of between 100,000 and 200,000. Most of those would have been in the older age groups had it occurred.

100,000 to 200,000 deaths; "a very good job", according to Trump. WTF?

 

[boyo]

Pretty sure the 'political spectrum' debate is bunk when Australia's notionally right wing government pumps as much cash into the economy as they have done.

Undergraduate debates about politics and economic philosophies are fine until there's an actual crisis that needs managing.

And don't they hate that, except when they subsidise many other things.

 

[fatprop]

100,000 to 200,000 deaths; "a very good job", according to Trump. WTF?

It is when the early predictions was 2,000,000

 

[Up the Guts]

Utter garbage. Quick, look over there.

Defend, defend, defend at all costs, seems to be your mantra. Defending the indefensible.

Nice strawman.

All I did was point out that your initial claim that governments of a certain political persuasion have underperformed compared to those of the opposite persuasion was rubbish (it was, any cursory glance of the stats can tell you that), I've not defended anyone.

I don't really understand why you're trying to double down on your obviously incorrect original statement. Why don't you just criticise the responses of the UK and US directly without making patently untrue generalisations?

 

[boyo]

boyo, if you're going to jump on the internet and say that the poor response was principally from right wing governments and cite the US, the UK and Australia as evidence, you have absolutely no right to criticise anyone else for being lazy when they point out the flaws to your argument.
Your position on the Australian government's response seems very predicated on your political views, and couldn't assessed as an impartial position.
If you want hard facts, New Zealand (who I agree, has handled this very well) has an infection rate of 280 people per million, whereas Australia's infection rate is 249 people per million.
I don't intend to enter into further argument on this, as it is purely political and really doesn't advance the (in my opinion very good quality) debate we are having on here about dealing with COVID-19

NZ claims victory over virus, looks to end lockdown


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/09/nz-lockdown-end-date/

An inconvenience for your argument?

 

[boyo]

It is when the early predictions was 2,000,000

Was that after Trump and FoxNews labelled C.V. a hoax?

 

[boyo]

Nice strawman.

All I did was point out that your initial claim that governments of a certain political persuasion have underperformed compared to those of the opposite persuasion was rubbish (it was, any cursory glance of the stats can tell you that), I've not defended anyone.

I don't really understand why you're trying to double down on your obviously incorrect original statement. Why don't you just criticise the responses of the UK and US directly without making patently untrue generalisations?

Poor effort - try again.

 

[Up the Guts]

Poor effort - try again.

Yawn.

No point pursuing this conversation any further if all you're offering are meaningless one liners.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

NZ claims victory over virus, looks to end lockdown


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/09/nz-lockdown-end-date/

That article, published last Thursday, is extremely misleading & neither statement contained in the headline reflects what's actually happening over here: Jacinda has most certainly NOT "declared victory" & whereas Cabinet is due to decide on 20 April what happens when the current lockdown ends on 22 April, at best it'll be a slightly more relaxed version of where we're at now.

 

[Froggy]

The NZ article is no inconvenience at all.
NZ is claiming four days of falling new infections, Australia's new infections have been falling since 29th March.
We now have seven consecutive days of 100 infections or less from a population of 25 million, the figure NZ are quoting is a new low of 29 new infections form a population of 4.8 million.
I don't want to belittle NZ's efforts, I think they have done a great job, just that by any impartial measure they are no more successful than us.
I know I said I wouldn't comment again, and now I won't because I know you will come back with some silly remark.