Concussions and Protecting Our Players

[waiopehu oldboy]

WR (World Rugby) extending concussion stand down period to 12 days from 1 July:

Stuff

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[Wilson]

WR (World Rugby) extending concussion stand down period to 12 days from 1 July:

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This is a positive move, I wonder if it'll factor into world cup squad sizes or how injury replacements are managed.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ you'd expect that in RWC they'd give teams the option to swap out a concussed player & I don't think we're too far away from an in-match concussion replacement being a "free interchange".

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Does it matter when they do if they dont even take guys off who are knocked out. How was Goodhue allowed to continue

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ independent sideline doctor needed to intervene there & questions need to be asked why he didn't. Similar questions need to be asked of Crusaders own medical staff.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Irish prop left the field after ~2 min v MAB but returned after passing a HIA that some think should never have been given:

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I guess the counter-argument is that he was never unconscious therefore HIA was appropriate.

 

[LeCheese]

Irish prop left the field after ~2 min v MAB but returned after passing a HIA that some think should never have been given:

Stuff

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I guess the counter-argument is that he was never unconscious therefore HIA was appropriate.

Unconsciousness isn’t the only criteria for removal from the game though is it? My understanding was that you could also be pulled without failing a HIA if you were noticeably unsteady, dazed, etc., which he clearly was. Poor from Irish med staff if that is the case

 

[kiap]

I guess the counter-argument is that he was never unconscious therefore HIA was appropriate.

That also depends on your definition of unconsciousness. Does judging that depend on whether or not they're moving? ... How long would be needed to stop moving?

In this case it seemed like the player was running headlong, head down into head contact. Intent is to keep body height low ... but it can come with a downside.

Also in the comments: "This after World Rugby said no to 20 minute red card trial continuing." Didn't realise they were canning that one. Retrograde step, imo

 

[Dctarget]

Carl Hayman couldn't remember his kids' names at age of 40. Bleak stuff.

 

[qwerty51]

I suffered a pretty severe concussion with no loss of consciousness or dizziness at all. Migraine and vomiting a couple of hours post, loss of vision in one eye for 48 hours. I was pretty fine for 20 mins or so afterwards and I reckon I would've passed an HIA but crashed pretty quickly after that.

It's a tricky one.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Unconsciousness isn’t the only criteria for removal from the game though is it? My understanding was that you could also be pulled without failing a HIA if you were noticeably unsteady, dazed, etc., which he clearly was. Poor from Irish med staff if that is the case

That also depends on your definition of unconsciousness. Does judging that depend on whether or not they're moving? ... How long would be needed to stop moving?

In this case it seemed like the player was running headlong, head down into head contact. Intent is to keep body height low ... but it can come with a downside.

Also in the comments: "This after World Rugby said no to 20 minute red card trial continuing." Didn't realise they were canning that one. Retrograde step, imo

I don't think he should've been allowed to come back on, the sideline Doc should've intervened.

 

[Dan54]

I didn't think he was concussed , I got impression at game that he was struggling with neck when it first happened, and even seemed to be rubbing neck as he left. I not sure I will be rubbishing Irish med team or sideline Dr by making an assesment on a tv image.

 

[Braveheart81]

I didn't think he was concussed , I got impression at game that he was struggling with neck when it first happened, and even seemed to be rubbing neck as he left. I not sure I will be rubbishing Irish med team or sideline Dr by making an assesment on a tv image.

He tried to get up and stumbled badly.

Most would consider that as being pretty likely to be concussion related.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1542094709698531330

 

[LeCheese]

He tried to get up and stumbled badly.

Most would consider that as being pretty likely to be concussion related.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1542094709698531330

Not to mention the blank stare and seemingly lack of general awareness. Absolutely is concussed

 

[Dan54]

Yep I didn't look at him closely or anything, only meant it didn't look like concussion at time on field. And I will add I am no Dr so I don't know what I look for in concussion.

 

[qwerty51]

Sounds like the doctor didn't see the footage (sounds like bs too)

New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has conducted a review of the Head Injury Assessment (HIA) process followed for Ireland prop Jeremy Loughman during the match between the Māori All Blacks and Ireland at FMG Stadium Waikato on Wednesday 29 June.

The following statement is from NZR Medical Manager Karen Rassmussen, who led the review.
“New Zealand Rugby has conducted a review of the HIA process during the Māori All Blacks match against Ireland at FMG Stadium Waikato in Hamilton on Wednesday 29 June. As a result of this review NZR believes Ireland prop Jeremy Loughman should not have been allowed back on to the field during the first half. While NZR stands by the HIA processes in place and is satisfied that player welfare is the number one priority for medical staff at the match, we have identified a gap in communications, which meant critical video evidence was not fully accounted for as part of the Head Injury Assessment (HIA) process undertaken by the independent match day medical team. We will be reinforcing the full HIA process and protocols for the remainder of the Steinlager Series to ensure video evidence is communicated more accurately between independent match day medical staff to enable them to make the right call with regards to player safety.” – NZR Medical Manager Karen Rasmussen

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Nowhere does it say he's now been made subject to the post-concussion protocols. Not. Good. Enough.

 

[D-Box]

For those interested in the scientific rationals behind the push for lowered tackles have a read of this twitter thread by Ross Tucker

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1547917577707409411

Ross is World Rugby's unofficial chief scientist.

 

[liquor box]

‘My world is falling apart’: Former Lion Ryan Jones reveals dementia diagnosis aged 41

Former Wales captain Ryan Jones has revealed his fears for the future after being diagnosed with early onset dementia aged 41

www.theguardian.com

Former Wales captain Ryan Jones has revealed his fears for the future after being diagnosed with early onset dementia aged 41.

Jones, capped 75 times and a member of the British and Irish Lions squad on the 2005 tour of New Zealand, received the diagnosis of probable chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in December last year.

In an interview with the Sunday Times, Jones said: “I feel like my world is falling apart. I am really scared because I’ve got three children and three step-children and I want to be a fantastic dad.

“I lived 15 years of my life like a superhero and I’m not. I don’t know what the future holds. I am a product of an environment that is all about process and human performance. I’m not able to perform like I could, and I just want to lead a happy, healthy, normal life. I feel that’s been taken away and there’s nothing I can do. I can’t train harder, I can’t play the referee, I don’t know what the rules of the game are anymore.”

After being diagnosed with depression Jones, who retired in 2015, said he began to have short-term memory problems and was becoming forgetful. “It terrifies me because I don’t know if, in two years’ time, we’re sat here and these episodes are a week long, two weeks long or permanent,” added Jones, who resigned from his post as performance director at the Welsh Rugby Union in October 2020.

“That’s the fear, that’s the bit that never leaves. That’s the bit I can’t shake off. Every episode I have also leaves a bit of a legacy. Everything we cancel, every relationship that I poison or don’t have time for anymore, just makes it a little bit tougher to cope. I don’t know how to slow that down, make it stop, what to do.”

Last month, the Alzheimer’s Society established partnerships with organisations such as the Rugby Players’ Association to provide a permanent way of referring any past and present player or manager who has either been diagnosed with dementia or is caring for a loved one.


Jones – awarded an MBE in the 2021 Queen’s Birthday Honours list for services to rugby union and charitable fundraising – believes the sport needs to do more to help take preventative measures.

“It [rugby union] is walking headlong with its eyes closed into a catastrophic situation,” Jones said.

Only 41!

This is a tragedy, hopefully the rule changes in the past few years can reduce this happening in the future

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Stuff

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I dont get it.

After 20 years of Hayman etc making millions of $$ from rugby they turn around and sue World Rugby for more $$.

"You failed to tell us it was dangerous. More $$ please."

They could've fucking stopped playing the brutal violent sport of rugby 19 years ago and found a safer job. No one's forcing them to play rugby for 20 years.