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Tony Shaw (54)
What about Robbie's just commenced autobiography, centered upon his time with the Wallabies, provisional title:
"My Journey: A Deposit in Belief in the Circumstance"
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What about Robbie's just commenced autobiography, centered upon his time with the Wallabies, provisional title:
"My Journey: A Deposit in Belief in the Circumstance"
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Mark Ella (57)
No thanks. Anything that is printed will be coloured by the viewpoint and relationship the specific writer had of Deans and others. It may be enlightening for some very specific points but that is about it. After reading M. Burke's Biography I must say I have struggled to regard him in the same light as his play perhaps deserved.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
When I read that I got a mental flash of you going to see a therapist only to discover you're sitting next to RD in the waiting room.
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Alan Cameron (40)
July 2010.
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/locked-time-to-sack-deans.5459/
(and no I don't have it book marked.I used the excellent search feature of our great Forum)
Looking back on that thread and the comments it is a bit scary the similarities in selection and the arguments used for and against even though the names of the players changed. It is a good study in human interactions and personalities as the same arguments were put forward then and up to recently by the same people. I say that without rancour, just as an observation of how many people's attitudes to life and outlook influence their decision making and assessment of events.
One thing I will say with pleasure is that I call for the selection of Mowen back then, on the basis of form and potential.
Jebus, that was full on. Hopefully we will all move on. Without Robbie we will have to find something new to unite us. I just don't want this forum to get to that uncomfortable place you get to when the boss tells a stupid racist joke and everybody just looks uncomfortably at the floor.
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John Solomon (38)
Well it's great that it all worked out and that your kid didn't spaz out the next day, it just so happened I was sitting in the row in front of 7 irish men who were swearing their heads off and throwing beer everywhere.. Is it morally okay for me to leave 5 minutes early now? Or should I just cop beer and abuse all over me instead. Off that high horse
No. Apparently it's been announced that it will be announced tomorrow. Weird way of doing business:-/Link has been announced?
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Lindo's "kid" is about 6' 4" and taking some time in Europe later this year to go play rugby
But your situation is why I'd never take my kids to a rugby match until they hit their teens. Otherwise I'd have to get arrested for knocking out 7 Irishmen, and then who could take them home?
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Rocky Elsom (76)
The writing was on the wall.
Why didn't he offer his resignation immediately after the series was lost.
At least he would have retained some dignity although it may have probably meant he would lose most of his severence pay or contract termination payout.
Why didn't he offer his resignation immediately after the series was lost.
At least he would have retained some dignity although it may have probably meant he would lose most of his severence pay or contract termination payout.
You just answered your own question.
Not many people are going to go without 6 months of a lucrative salary just to keep a little more pride intact.
Peter Fitzsimons had some interesting comments on the Deans legacy in the SMH today.
The one point that stood out to me though was that there has never been a wbs coach who has worked harder and closer with community rugby.
Could that have been such a part of his continued support from the board and especially something that will be sadly missed with a new coach?
The one point that stood out to me though was that there has never been a wbs coach who has worked harder and closer with community rugby.
Could that have been such a part of his continued support from the board and especially something that will be sadly missed with a new coach?
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Meanwhile during Dingo's time in the chair, there has never been an ARU CEO who has worked so hard to avoid community rugby development responsibilities.
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Bill McLean (32)
Can't help but feel that Deans is the victim of some seriously average management by the ARU board as much as himself....... The way they have conducted business since re-appointing JO'N is farcical and I hope we are seeing the start of a new era with Pulver and now Ewen. Although his new foreign players law for the Force/ Rebels is concerning.
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
Before the thread is closed, I would like to say that, although I agree it is (past) time for Robbie Deans to move on, it is a shame that things didn't work out better as he clearly wanted the Wallabies to win, and he worked hard and to the best of his ability. All the best for the future mate.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
JON.
In the short time he's been CEO I have seen Pulver doing grass roots stuff. In the long time JON was CEO all I ever saw him doing in the community was trying to make a right hand turn across traffic in Ourimbah Rd Mosman on a Saturday moring.
While I am happy to see the back of Deans I think he still has a lot to offer rugby. Most likely as a Super Coach in NZ or in a Club in Europe. If he has a limited squad that he controls then he'll be able to manage quite well. He put in the time and effort in his role and was out in the community, especially early on in his tenure. From when he started up until the RWC he did a good job. It all came crashing down when he named his squad to go to NZ. Since then he's been a dead man walking in my eyes.
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Tony Shaw (54)
I'll try hard in the following days to be as charitable to Deans' future as some are here, and I mean that sincerely.
But for now, no.
Under JO'N Mk II and Deans Mk I huge damage has been done to the commercial and community strength of Australian rugby. These men were paid very large salaries and made multiple claims as to what was being achieved and definitely would be achieved on their privileged watches over this wonderful game in Australia.
Yet virtually every KPI that matters as to the strategic health of Australian rugby both in absolute and terms relative to other sporting codes here has materially worsened, from Wallaby trending crowd numbers to rugby's % code market share to community $ funding levels to the commercial solidity of our S15 teams, and so on.
To cap it all off, 83,000 fans paid huge individual seat prices on Saturday night to see an almost embarrassing Wallaby performance and a loss of the BIL series. The startling brevity of Pulver's paragraph above re Deans' achievements in his record-length engagement says it all.
By any standard, the recent performance of the most highly remunerated, senior members of the elite of our game in this country has been appalling. In a crucial era for Australian rugby, action was not taken adequately or rapidly enough to correct obvious and major problems in both Wallaby management and across the management of the code as a whole.
The recovery road that remains as a consequence will be long, hard and require serious investment. Given the state and depth of the damage done, a positive long-range outcome if far from guaranteed.
I am sorry, but my anger over this wholly avoidable state of affairs will burn on for a while yet. I am not ready to easily forgive until I see betterment and a true recovery for Australian rugby.
But for now, no.
Under JO'N Mk II and Deans Mk I huge damage has been done to the commercial and community strength of Australian rugby. These men were paid very large salaries and made multiple claims as to what was being achieved and definitely would be achieved on their privileged watches over this wonderful game in Australia.
Yet virtually every KPI that matters as to the strategic health of Australian rugby both in absolute and terms relative to other sporting codes here has materially worsened, from Wallaby trending crowd numbers to rugby's % code market share to community $ funding levels to the commercial solidity of our S15 teams, and so on.
To cap it all off, 83,000 fans paid huge individual seat prices on Saturday night to see an almost embarrassing Wallaby performance and a loss of the BIL series. The startling brevity of Pulver's paragraph above re Deans' achievements in his record-length engagement says it all.
By any standard, the recent performance of the most highly remunerated, senior members of the elite of our game in this country has been appalling. In a crucial era for Australian rugby, action was not taken adequately or rapidly enough to correct obvious and major problems in both Wallaby management and across the management of the code as a whole.
The recovery road that remains as a consequence will be long, hard and require serious investment. Given the state and depth of the damage done, a positive long-range outcome if far from guaranteed.
I am sorry, but my anger over this wholly avoidable state of affairs will burn on for a while yet. I am not ready to easily forgive until I see betterment and a true recovery for Australian rugby.
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Mark Ella (57)
RH - agree with much of that and would have liked to see the Board members who have hidden away the "review" into the RWC and those who rubber stamped JONs decrees also exposed and resign. This has been a period of an almost total lack of integrity in so many aspects Australian Rugby. Deans as a servant, no matter how highly placed cannot take the blame for that lack of integrity, such responsibility lies with the Chairman, the board and the CEO.
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RH, why keep giving yourself heartburn? Deans is gone and what's done is done.
As Yoda said to Luke - Let go of your hate. To the dark side, that leads, yes.
It all starts fresh today. Clean slate.
As Yoda said to Luke - Let go of your hate. To the dark side, that leads, yes.
It all starts fresh today. Clean slate.
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Ron Walden (29)
no one ...knocked out Irishmen full of grog are very good at finding their own way home.........its in their blood...Lindo's "kid" is about 6' 4" and taking some time in Europe later this year to go play rugby
But your situation is why I'd never take my kids to a rugby match until they hit their teens. Otherwise I'd have to get arrested for knocking out 7 Irishmen, and then who could take them home?
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