Cheerio Deans

[ACT Crusader]

TWAS I think you are over reacting in relation to Sharpe.

If you're reflecting on Sharpe then you may wish to recall that he did spend time as one of the top 2 or 3 locks in the world. He wasn't the complete bonehead of a player you are making out.

The guy was also seen as a positive role model for players not just by Deans. He never claimed to be perfect as a player or person, but he had a leadership position in the side and he took a course of action to deal with an escalating problem.

He didn't just "dime out" Quade, as there had been reports prior to that of growing tensions which resulted in discussions between Quade and "others" (ie Wallaby leaders and management).

I also think that to Quade's credit he realised he wasn't in a 'great place' during that time of his life.

 

[Train Without a Station]

At the time Nathan Sharpe was everything we needed him to be.

As I mentioned, I may just be jumping at shadows here because we don't know the full story, but if he's lining up a 24 year old in front of a group of people for a couple of kicks getting charged down, and some poor option taking, he may be better served reflecting on his own performance when he was that age.

All I remember of Sharpe around the year 2008 is constantly abusing my TV screen due to repeated cut out passes going to ground and him running around at outside center. I'd argue I wasn't the only one considering Deans dropped him. On multiple occaisions.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

The book was launched yesterday.

Has anyone read the bits in it about Quade and ToxicTweetGate, or are we still going off what the Journos and Publicists have extracted from the tome about the issue?

 

[qwerty51]

TWAS I think you are over reacting in relation to Sharpe.

If you're reflecting on Sharpe then you may wish to recall that he did spend time as one of the top 2 or 3 locks in the world. He wasn't the complete bonehead of a player you are making out.

That's laughable, when was that!? I got to agree with TWAS, I love the bloke but apart from the 2012, Sharpe was characterised as a soft tight 5 forward.

 

[BDA]

Agree. Sharpe was like a fine wine, but he never reached the height of Horwill or Vickerman at their best.

I guarantee that if Simo sticks around long enough he'll eclipse Sharpe in every way. (cue outrage in 3...2...1..)

 

[Brumby Runner]

At the time Nathan Sharpe was everything we needed him to be.

As I mentioned, I may just be jumping at shadows here because we don't know the full story, but if he's lining up a 24 year old in front of a group of people for a couple of kicks getting charged down, and some poor option taking, he may be better served reflecting on his own performance when he was that age.

All I remember of Sharpe around the year 2008 is constantly abusing my TV screen due to repeated cut out passes going to ground and him running around at outside center. I'd argue I wasn't the only one considering Deans dropped him. On multiple occaisions.

I think at that time, "running around" is a kind expression of what he was doing.

 

[ACT Crusader]

That's laughable, when was that!? I got to agree with TWAS, I love the bloke but apart from the 2012, Sharpe was characterised as a soft tight 5 forward.

Not when he first hit the test scene. In 03-04 many commentators were putting him in their world XVs with MJ

 

[cyclopath]

That'll fucking do me.

Sharpe is about the 3rd or 4th think to fucking do you in recent days! Maybe you're about done?

 

[Train Without a Station]

Are you saying I overuse that phrase Cyclo? Perhaps my mates whom I say it to about 10 times a week may agree too?

 

[cyclopath]

Are you saying I overuse that phrase Cyclo? Perhaps my mates whom I say it to about 10 times a week may agree too?

It might be losing impact.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Hence the use of an expletive for additional impact.

 

[cyclopath]

Hence the use of an expletive for additional impact.

Like no-one swears around here!

 

[Train Without a Station]

Hence the use of an expletive for additional impact.

Thanks HJ.

"That'll do me" for something that leaves one slightly miffed.

But when truly exasperated, "that'll fucking do me".

But in all seriousness, I felt it would be a little rich of Sharpe, IF I am on the money with my wild speculation.

 

[cyclopath]

Agree. Sharpe was like a fine wine, but he never reached the height of Horwill or Vickerman at their best.

I guarantee that if Simo sticks around long enough he'll eclipse Sharpe in every way. (cue outrage in 3.2.1..)

Nah, he'll never do "Crazy-eyes" like Sharpie.

 

[Slim 293]

Moore calls "bullshit" on Deans:

Wallabies captain Stephen Moore has denied player power was behind the sacking of former Australia coach Robbie Deans, saying he only found out about it when it was announced – although he admits the writing was on the wall following the Wallabies' heavy loss to the British and Irish Lions last year.

Moore dismissed suggestions the reason for that 41-16 thrashing was because of the turmoil of Deans' last few days in charge. He said it would be pretty weak to use it as an excuse and he pointed to the All Blacks' ability to put the furore surrounding Aaron Cruden's boozy night out behind them to beat Argentina last weekend.

Deans' autobiography, Robbie Deans: Red, Black & Gold, suggested the leadership group was involved in a coup to remove the Kiwi from the helm and players were involved in meetings about Deans' future before the Lions decider.

Moore, a senior player during the Lions series, said he was not involved in any meetings and only found out about Deans' sacking when it happened.

"We didn't have any meetings like that. The thing about books is, it's people's opinion of how things happened [and] everyone's entitled to their opinion," he said.

"The morning after the Test there was that much speculation in the press and we lost the game. You probably got that feeling that that could happen but there was nothing communicated to the players before that event."

Moore said there was always speculation before every Test and it was not an excuse for what happened on the field.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/wallabies-captain-stephen-moore-dismisses-player-power-being-behind-robbie-deans-sacking-20141003-10puqs.html#ixzz3F9v3lLqa

 

[Ruggo]

Sounds like there is plenty of Chinese whispers type bullshit on these pages.

Deans had a more than fair run in the job. He did some good things and some bad things and it fair to say his legacy as Wallaby coach is one of frustration.

It is a bit hard to remember given all that happened since but some of his earlier work had a very positive impact such as re-attaching Wallaby players with the club scene.

My perception was that he took on too much himself when it isn't practical at international level. I remember him running a session with some under 16's here in Darwin in his early days. It was in October when the weather is truly grueling if you are not used to it. It must have nearly killed a bloke from the South Island of NZ. He was very old school and hands on in his coaching, set up, packed up, ran the session and took the time to mingle with the players and parents after. The enthusiasm he did it all was truly inspiring. I left that day with a lot of respect for the bloke.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Moore and Horwill have come out and denied any meetings or discussions behind his back.

 

[brokendown]

who would have thunk that?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

He was very old school and hands on in his coaching, set up, packed up, ran the session and took the time to mingle with the players and parents after. The enthusiasm he did it all was truly inspiring. I left that day with a lot of respect for the bloke.

I saw the same thing and respect him for it.
Its just the other main stuff he was employed to do and now this - rubbishing players, accusing them of essentially dogging it to get rid of him.
Maybe Horwill shouldn't have played but its a bit odd that, according to the Fox extract, he hid his calf injury until the warm up.
If he couldn't train how was he still in the side come warm up time?
Its having the desired effect though - I'll probably buy the book!!!

 

[Dismal Pillock]

I am sure that one day, eventually, Deans can find it in his heart to forgive you, the Australian public, for grievances past, and return, like Moses upon Mt Sinai, to the helm of Australian rugby for a second term in charge.

"I forgive you."


As for Deans' aspirations to one day be All Black coach, here is a list of potential applicants I would rather see get the job ahead of him

Wayne Smith
Dave Rennie
Joe Schmidt
Vern Cotter
Warren Gatland
Stevie Wonder
Shiggins
Gwerty
Pat Lam
David Nucifora
John Mitchell
Pol Pot
this years winner of American Idol
the argie bloke with the laser