CAS Rugby 2023
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Allen Oxlade (6)
It sounds like Barker are up to their usual shenanigans.
Can’t get through a season without breaking a few rugby by laws and rules…
Can’t get through a season without breaking a few rugby by laws and rules…
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Allen Oxlade (6)
I’m pretty sure that’s how it works
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Which rugby rules have they broken?
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Allen Oxlade (6)
How was Jonathon Ryan not initially selected in CAS firsts?
Has he been the standout to that level on the field for Knox so far this year, or was todays game an anomaly?
Has he been the standout to that level on the field for Knox so far this year, or was todays game an anomaly?
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Today or through the years?
It sounds like today they put a Barker players dad at touch to help over turn a game deciding decision. That won their firsts the game.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
It's not though. Here's Law 6: "Assistant referees and touch judges are responsible for signalling touch, touch in-goal and the success or otherwise of kicks at goal. In addition, assistant referees provide assistance as the referee directs, including the reporting of foul play." And:
6.13 The referee may consult with assistant referees about matters relating to their duties, the law relating to foul play and timekeeping, and may request assistance related to other aspects of the referee’s duties.
6.14 The referee may alter a decision after a touch judge or an assistant referee has raised the flag to signal touch, touch-in-goal or an assistant referee has signalled foul play.
So, there's nothing in the Laws that empowers a touch judge to overrule a referee. The touch judge may only intervene if there's foul play, touch or touch in goal. Otherwise, the referee may choose to consult a touch judge and may choose to change a decision based on what he's told. But a touch judge can't just run on and say, "no, that wasn't a penalty", any more than a spectator can.
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Desmond Connor (43)
Touch judges overturn onfield decisions all the time. Most of the time it’s to take away points scored. Which was almost the case this time. Whatever the call the ref got wrong, the touch judge and he discussed a issue and the try was awarded. We either accept the refs call or we dont. There was another 5 or so incidences I observed where Brook to my eyes clearly infringed and did not get pinged.
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Allen Oxlade (6)
And the lack of Barker accountability continues. There is always a ‘valid’ excuse.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
No, they don't. They just don't have the power, at least not if you're playing under Rugby Union laws. The referee can decide to consult them and can decide to accept their views, or not, at which point the decision rests with the referee. If you can point me to anything in the laws of the game that says something different, go ahead.
Point being, whatever the touch judge's intervention was today, he didn't "overrule" the ref. The ref may have changed his decision based on a touch judge's report, but that's not the same thing. And if the touch judge intervened without being asked by the referee, he exceeded his authority and the ref should have sent him back to the sideline.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Sorry, just to be precise: yes, sometimes touch judges intervene "to take away points scored". They have two express powers to do that, under the Laws: if the ball has gone into touch before the score, or if there has been foul play before the score. But there is no general power at all to stroll on to the field and tell the ref that a penalty decision was incorrect.
I'm not saying, by the way, that what happened today was wrong. I wasn't there. I don't know. If the ref asked the touch judge for some information, and changed his decision based on that information, then there's nothing irregular or improper about that.
I'm not saying, by the way, that what happened today was wrong. I wasn't there. I don't know. If the ref asked the touch judge for some information, and changed his decision based on that information, then there's nothing irregular or improper about that.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Side issue, and not aimed at anyone here: people need to know the Laws of the game properly. You'd be amazed how many players don't (I remember that Waverley player who threw the ball into touch a few years back, gifting a penalty to the other side, from which they scored to win the match).
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Don’t worry mate I’m agreeing with you. Bit of a misunderstanding there
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Allen Oxlade (6)
That is what happened
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Desmond Connor (43)
That is not true
Ryan will be a star of the future..he has a motor very few can match
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Desmond Connor (43)
The referee chose to consult the touch judge, which this referee chose to do on multiple occasions during this game. There is no doubt Cranbrook got the rub of the green for the majority of the game.
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Desmond Connor (43)
What lack of Barker accountability are you specifically referring too????
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Nev Cottrell (35)
If the ref chose to consult the touch judge, and then made a decision, there's obviously no problem (although it makes the ref look like a bit of a goose if he blew for a penalty before deciding to consult).
Knox 16A,B&C won….