CAS Rugby 2023

[CAS Fanatic]

Credit to Waverley on their win I’m sure many were not expecting the season they have had based on pre season results so fair play to them.

Cranbrook v Barker was a classic, very physical and scores went both ways for majority of the game. Cranbrook forward’s obviously had it tough without Kaleb Ah-colt and Thomas Girle. I’ve heard the ref apologised to the head of Cranbrook after the game for his decision which inevitably cost them the game. As stated by @megarugbyman, it’s really not professional to have a sideline ref with a son in the team.

 

[RedOrDead]

Here come the imaginary conspiracy theories...

 

[Jonte]

Recent news has surfaced as the linesman that overturned the refs decision from a Cranbrook penalty to a Barker try was the Barker hookers father (Keegan Daly, 2).

In my opinion, this is not acceptable for a match of such high calibre. Surely this says something about the consistency of CAS rugby, this is a first XV game that is being co-reffed by dads and associates of the home school…

You don’t need an earpiece to understand this.

Recent news has surfaced as the linesman that overturned the refs decision from a Cranbrook penalty to a Barker try was the Barker hookers father (Keegan Daly, 2).

In my opinion, this is not acceptable for a match of such high calibre. Surely this says something about the consistency of CAS rugby, this is a first XV game that is being co-reffed by dads and associates of the home school…

You don’t need an earpiece to understand this.

Welcome to barker where the penalty counts in earlier games can be over 5 to 1 and they still loose.

 

[Jumping_jack]

Well done to Knox and Waverley today in a great game of schoolboy footy.

Hats off to both teams for a great display of tough hard footy and great sportsmanship.

I believe man of the match was the Knox 7, even in a losing team, he has a big future in the game of rugby.

For Waverley, the most impressive thing from the team is the defense. They tackled on their line against Knox for 15 minutes and didn’t let them cross. They did the same against Barker and Cranbrook. They surely did a great job as a team to succeed as they have so far.

I know I have harped on about it, but to me it also highlights the issues with the CAS selection process, which then also impacts on gen blue selections.

Waverley had the fourth most selected kids but have now beaten the three teams with more selections ahead of them. Putting a mockery to the whole process. I have already highlighted some obvious errors so won’t highlight them again, and I don’t know how it is fixed for the future, but there must be some consideration to change the process in the future.

I think it also highlights a great rugby program at Waverley when Knox had 7 gen blue players and Waverley had 0. But Waverley were victorious.

To me that is a great point that could be discussed further.

 

[Snort]

Random stat of the day: Jaxson Allen became only the second player to finish with four tries for Cranbrook against Barker in a competition game - but still ended behind S Coghill, who scored five tries in the 1942 match.

 

[rod skellet]

Random stat of the day: Jaxson Allen became only the second player to finish with four tries for Cranbrook against Barker in a competition game - but still ended behind S Coghill, who scored five tries in the 1942 match.

He played a Stella game as did the Cranbrook 10 who gave him the tries

 

[Eyes Up Footy]

Look in my view the ref had a average game. And Cranbrook in the main were the beneficiary of those 50/50 calls. The last Barker try looked completely fair at live speed. Just because Cranbrook do not contest a lineout does not automatically mean the Barker lineout is creating a shepherd. The Barker lineout catcher was the leading player in the drive. This is not a shepherd. The fact that the ref called it as such confused me. How the touch got involved was not clear to me.

Yep very unclear to me as well. However, I think the ref’s call was correct as he went to apologise for it to the Cranbrook coach after the game.

All in all it was a great game of footy. Poynton for Barker was brilliant - even with the Cranbrook supporters jeering him every time he had ball in hand (I saw a couple of pillows which was strange to me). Allen for Cranbrook was also outstanding, scoring 4 tries.

 

[Snort]

Sorry, confused. At no level of the game does an assistant referee have authority to "overturn" a referee's decision. So the last Barker try can't have been scored in that way.

 

[Eyes Up Footy]

Sorry, confused. At no level of the game does an assistant referee have authority to "overturn" a referee's decision. So the last Barker try can't have been scored in that way.

Have just got word that the touchy who overturned the decision is the Barker hooker’s dad. As I said before Cranbrook have every right to feel hard done by.

 

[Snort]

Have just got word that the touchy who overturned the decision is the Barker hooker’s dad. As I said before Cranbrook have every right to feel hard done by.

But (see above) touch judges can't overturn referees' decisions. Or am I missing something?

 

[Snort]

If the touch judge was related to one of the players, it's pretty silly, not because he'd be biased but because it leaves him open to exactly the kind of discussion that's now occurring.

I once took part in a 16As game where the penalty count was 33-4 in our favour. We won 6-4. The referee was our coach's son. I've never before or since been humiliated to win.

 

[Snort]

Premiership decided, Trinity equal second... let's call it off now!

 

[Famed_Star]

It sounds like Barker are up to their usual shenanigans.

Can’t get through a season without breaking a few rugby by laws and rules…

 

[Eyes Up Footy]

But (see above) touch judges can't overturn referees' decisions. Or am I missing something?

I’m pretty sure that’s how it works

 

[Hercules Von Grimmelshaus]

It sounds like Barker are up to their usual shenanigans.

Can’t get through a season without breaking a few rugby by laws and rules…

Which rugby rules have they broken?

 

[Famed_Star]

How was Jonathon Ryan not initially selected in CAS firsts?

Has he been the standout to that level on the field for Knox so far this year, or was todays game an anomaly?

 

[Famed_Star]

Which rugby rules have they broken?

Today or through the years?

It sounds like today they put a Barker players dad at touch to help over turn a game deciding decision. That won their firsts the game.

 

[Snort]

I’m pretty sure that’s how it works

It's not though. Here's Law 6: "Assistant referees and touch judges are responsible for signalling touch, touch in-goal and the success or otherwise of kicks at goal. In addition, assistant referees provide assistance as the referee directs, including the reporting of foul play." And:

6.13 The referee may consult with assistant referees about matters relating to their duties, the law relating to foul play and timekeeping, and may request assistance related to other aspects of the referee’s duties.

6.14 The referee may alter a decision after a touch judge or an assistant referee has raised the flag to signal touch, touch-in-goal or an assistant referee has signalled foul play.

So, there's nothing in the Laws that empowers a touch judge to overrule a referee. The touch judge may only intervene if there's foul play, touch or touch in goal. Otherwise, the referee may choose to consult a touch judge and may choose to change a decision based on what he's told. But a touch judge can't just run on and say, "no, that wasn't a penalty", any more than a spectator can.

 

[rod skellet]

It sounds like Barker are up to their usual shenanigans.

Can’t get through a season without breaking a few rugby by laws and rules…

It sounds like Barker are up to their usual shenanigans.

Can’t get through a season without breaking a few rugby by laws and rules…

Touch judges overturn onfield decisions all the time. Most of the time it’s to take away points scored. Which was almost the case this time. Whatever the call the ref got wrong, the touch judge and he discussed a issue and the try was awarded. We either accept the refs call or we dont. There was another 5 or so incidences I observed where Brook to my eyes clearly infringed and did not get pinged.

 

[Famed_Star]

Touch judges overturn onfield decisions all the time. Most of the time it’s to take away points scored. Which was almost the case this time. Whatever the call the ref got wrong, the touch judge and he discussed an issue and the try was awarded. We either accept the refs call or we dont. There was another 5 or so incidences I observed where Brook to my eyes clearly infringed and did not get pinged.

And the lack of Barker accountability continues. There is always a ‘valid’ excuse.