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CAS Rugby 2023

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Well politics at it's absolute best!

The Cranbrook prop Ah Colt was an absolute must, we seem to get the front row wrong every year, but really hope I am wrong this year.
Having watched todays Waves V barker game, the Waves had enough opportunities to win by more, in the last 10 mins they pushed the Barker pack off the ball several times, clearly dominant at the end.

I am surprised that this "finally" fully strength and unbeaten CAS team, having beaten 2 of the fancied CAS schools, remember barker beat Riverview and Newington, even got 2 players in the CAS 1sts team! BUT congratulations to all our CAS boys best of luck trust we will prevail!
WLF, it does seem odd that Waverley beat Barker pretty convincingly yet Barker had twice as many in CAS 1sts. But apart from Ah Colt, are there other players you think should have been in the 1sts? I have to say, I haven't seen Knox yet but their record this year seems to justify a pretty healthy representation in the CAS sides.
 

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Allen Oxlade (6)
Felix Turinui and Caleb Sinclair-Harris both brilliant five eights robbed of not being picked, not to discredit Dene but he just isn't ready for that level of rugby, I'm sure he would do great in the u16's but Turinui and S-H should've had that spot. Pule and Ah Colt also done dirty by not being picked higher.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
WLF, it does seem odd that Waverley beat Barker pretty convincingly yet Barker had twice as many in CAS 1sts. But apart from Ah Colt, are there other players you think should have been in the 1sts? I have to say, I haven't seen Knox yet but their record this year seems to justify a pretty healthy representation in the CAS sides.
Snort, over the years I have been quite scarce in actually naming boys for obvious reasons from any school other than in a positive manor.
They are still boys just trying their hardest for their special school.

I haven't seen Knox yet either, and I suspect they are extremely good based on results (which once again should be the basis of selections), same as my argument about this Waves side. How Kye Pule (prop) and Sinclair Harris (really a 10) didn't make it is beyond me, both played 1sts last year and were instrumental in putting Barker away today. Also based on your appraisal of the Trinity 8 Luilala (I think) and the Waves 8 Teafano (2nd year in 1sts and very dominant today), I can't for the life of me see how both missed out in any team!

Long story short, the selectors IMO are extremely poor.

Whilst I tend to underplay the chances of the Waves team this year, you would expect Knox to trounce us at Death Valley next game given the apparent selection strength of Knox in the CAS 1s.

First things first, GO THE CAS TEAMS AND ALL THE BOYS FROM ALL SCHOOLS!
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Snort, over the years I have been quite scarce in actually naming boys for obvious reasons from any school other than in a positive manor.
They are still boys just trying their hardest for their special school.

I haven't seen Knox yet either, and I suspect they are extremely good based on results (which once again should be the basis of selections), same as my argument about this Waves side. How Kye Pule (prop) and Sinclair Harris (really a 10) didn't make it is beyond me, both played 1sts last year and were instrumental in putting Barker away today. Also based on your appraisal of the Trinity 8 Luilala (I think) and the Waves 8 Teafano (2nd year in 1sts and very dominant today), I can't for the life of me see how both missed out in any team!

Long story short, the selectors IMO are extremely poor.

Whilst I tend to underplay the chances of the Waves team this year, you would expect Knox to trounce us at Death Valley next game given the apparent selection strength of Knox in the CAS 1s.

First things first, GO THE CAS TEAMS AND ALL THE BOYS FROM ALL SCHOOLS!
Niulala did make it, though out of position - second row in the 2nd XV.
 

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Ted Fahey (11)
Ah-Colt being on the bench for the 2nds side is absolutely outrageous. I am very far from being a Cranbrook supporter, but that kid is incredible. The amount of runs he takes and the sheer effort and grit he puts into every game are unmatched by any other prop I've seen in the competition this far. Honestly thought he could be up there being the best prop in the state. Very unfortunate.
 

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Frank Nicholson (4)
This is a tough one H, I know you are VERY familiar with Kye but I think it will boil down to the types of front rowers the CAS want, ie are they both tight players, or do they want a tight player an a real ball runner like Kye.

Clearly Will Goddard and Ah Colt are terrific, haven't seen Will but did see a lot of Ac v the Waves and he was a standout.

It could be that this weekends games determine the front row result. Kye will be against a very tough Barker front row and pack.
The outcome of which may determine his standing in a CAS 1s team.
Ridiculous. Get the schoolboys of the forum!
Gotta love Knox. NFI about the point of sport. Yeah they’ve probably got “scholarship” players, but Aloys at least use their own.
 

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Allen Oxlade (6)
Ah-Colt being on the bench for the 2nds side is absolutely outrageous. I am very far from being a Cranbrook supporter, but that kid is incredible. The amount of runs he takes and the sheer effort and grit he puts into every game are unmatched by any other prop I've seen in the competition this far. Honestly thought he could be up there being the best prop in the state. Very unfortunate.
Yeah, I think everyone who has seen him play agrees. A strange omission. Who knows how they select these teams. The Barker players probably influenced by the Barker coaches.
 

Ziggy

Chris McKivat (8)
Ah-Colt being on the bench for the 2nds side is absolutely outrageous. I am very far from being a Cranbrook supporter, but that kid is incredible. The amount of runs he takes and the sheer effort and grit he puts into every game are unmatched by any other prop I've seen in the competition this far. Honestly thought he could be up there being the best prop in the state. Very unfortunate.
100% - disgraceful decision.
Be interested to see whether or not the selectors are being guided by coaches which are predominantly made up of upper north shore rugby faculty.
 

Eyes Up Footy

Allen Oxlade (6)
Long story short, the selectors IMO are extremely poor.

First things first, GO THE CAS TEAMS AND ALL THE BOYS FROM ALL SCHOOLS!
Agreed WLF - as a Cranbrook man, thought it is quite outrageous that Mackenzie, Patterson, and Ah-Colt (the major omission) aren’t at least starting in the 2’s.

Whilst I am yet to see Dene play, we saw last year that playing an U16 just doesn’t work - especially at 10 (hope to be proven wrong).

As much as I hate to say it, but I think the GPS boys will win comfortably on Tuesday night. Nevertheless will be cheering on the boys in red no matter the team and result. Congratulations and good luck to all players selected.
 

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Ward Prentice (10)
Niulala did make it, though out of position - second row in the 2nd XV.
Yeah that’s a really strange selection. The kid is elite and not even selected in the backrow.

The other kids are all great too, I’m not bagging any kid. There appears to be sometimes goggles on for Barker and Knox kids and they can’t be changed to see how a kid from Trinity can make the backrow.
We saw last year. Eventually there was 7 Barker forwards on in the CAS firsts team. and they were pummeled. There are other good players in other teams. Ah-Colt and Niulala if at Barker or Knox would be in CAS firsts.
 
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Nev Cottrell (35)
The CAS selections... I do think we need to remember that for each position in the Firsts there are likely to be at least three players with realistic claims. That means that there will often be a kid who narrowly misses CAS 1sts who ends up on the bench for the 2nds. There are often fine margins involved. That's especially true for positions that aren't interchangeable, like scrum-half or hooker. If you have a great fullback who misses out, you can put him on the wing, but if you're edged out of tight-head prop you may end up benched, like Ah Colt.

And look, Ah Colt is plainly a terrific player. Cranbrook had a dominant scrum against Trinity yesterday, and he presumably had a lot to do with that. But if you want him in the CAS 1sts, you also need to say why he deserves it more than Goddard. I haven't seen Goddard this year but he anchors the scrum for the side that's 2-0 (and beat Joeys) and he was in CAS 1sts last year. I'm in no position to say that it's a mistake to select him.

On Ah Colt, I'm not knocking the kid for a second, he's great. And he got through a ton of work yesterday, and barged over for the try that put Cranbrook back in the game. But in all his carries (and there were plenty), he didn't break the defensive line once. Trinity's 3, whose name I don't recall but is, I gather, in Year 10, made four line breaks. So Ah Colt wasn't even the most effective running prop on the day.

For what it's worth, I'd be amazed if Ah Colt doesn't get a run in CAS 1sts at some point.
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
By the way, does anyone know the Knox scorers yesterday? With a score line like that there may have been a record or two threatened.
 

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Bob McCowan (2)
By the way, does anyone know the Knox scorers yesterday? With a score line like that there may have been a record or two threatened.
Was pretty evenly spread, don't know the exact numbers but I don't think anyone would of gotten a record, probably didn't even come close to the Knox winger who scored 5 or 6 tries against Aloys last year from memory
 

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Allen Oxlade (6)
Have heard the Barker Prop has withdrawn from CAS.

Now Kaleb Ah-Colt will be in starting at seconds.
 
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Charlie Fox (21)
Nah bro, that's the second year in a row a 16 year old player from Barker has been selected at CAS 1s level over picking the best option who also happens to be 18. Absolute pisstake.

Poynton was the best option given that Saunders had played the majority of season in the centres.

Dene was also probably the best option. Best game managing 10 in the CAS.

Relax. It's not politics. Stupid to suggest a 16 year old should never be picked.
 
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