CAS Rugby 2023

[JERRY_BAYNACK]

Barker should destroy them. I do think Waverley will have a dominant game as Gregs lost to Aloys earlier this season and only just beat Trinity two weeks ago.

gregs beat aloys 46-7

 

[Halfbackenthusiast]

 

[rugbyGandG]

New information that Cranbrook number 8 Noah Jackson will not be playing this Friday at Easts due to a shattered finger. Apparently he was devastated..

Although, Kaleb Ah-Colt (3) and Jaxson Allen (10) are back this week.

Very excited for this weeks contests.

RG&G

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

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Drew must be Mitchell’s brother. A strong rugby family.

Poynton at captain shows his potential as a year 11 kid.

 

[FoleyBealeFolau]

Since this trial season has involved many CAS vs ISA matchups due to the return of the AAGPS home and away round schedule, what are everyone's thoughts on a combined or 2 tier competition? Personally, I see it as a great opportunity to help schools' rugby programs flourish as they verse schools with similar depth and strength.

Yeh I would be all for this idea, but i imagine this is logistically very unlikely due to the rich history of our great CAS comp.

 

[JohnEalesFanAccount]

Tips for this week:

Barker vs Stannies: Barker 20+
Cranbrook vs Auggies: Cranbrook 15+
Waverley vs St Gregs: St Gregs 5+
Knox vs St Pats: Knox 20+
Trinity vs Oakhill: Trinity 10+
Aloys vs Kinross: Aloys 5+

I anticipate a thrilling round of the game they play in heaven!

 

[RedOrDead]

Drew must be Mitchell’s brother. A strong rugby family.

Poynton at captain shows his potential as a year 11 kid.

Yep he is.

For all those who didn't know, Mitchell holds the record for the most points in a single CAS game.

 

[Goosestep]

Since this trial season has involved many CAS vs ISA matchups due to the return of the AAGPS home and away round schedule, what are everyone's thoughts on a combined or 2 tier competition? Personally, I see it as a great opportunity to help schools' rugby programs flourish as they verse schools with similar depth and strength.

Great idea .. everyone will Support it here cause it’s for the good of Australian rugby

 

[WLF3]

Great idea .. everyone will Support it here cause it’s for the good of Australian rugby

G,

I will step in here before a number of people take your bait as being sincere with your comment.
I actually agree with probably 99% of your comments, you get Rugby!

BUT you are 1 of those who only wants 6 schools to play out for rulers of the universe, ie the AAGPS!.
Bugger a better and bigger 1sts comp, and that is your view.

Like many I disagree with your insular view but everyone has their opinion.

The reality is other non-GPS people also have strong feelings about their schools and associations, believe it or not, but can get over their own little world.
There are solutions to the difficulties of team match ups etc, it's just that some schools and people have no interest in making things better, ie a bigger and better matched up comp, it's called progress, and we know that some have NO interest in progress!

 

[pocockenthusiast1973]

New information that Cranbrook number 8 Noah Jackson will not be playing this Friday at Easts due to a shattered finger. Apparently he was devastated..

Although, Kaleb Ah-Colt (3) and Jaxson Allen (10) are back this week.

Very excited for this weeks contests.

RG&G

Source?

 

[Greg.Kelly]

Way to early predictions for this weeks games:
Barker v Stannies - Barker 25+
Knox v Pats - Knox 20+
Aloys v Kinross - Aloys 7+
Trinity v Oak - Oak 5+
Cranbrook v Aug - Aug 12+
Waverly v Gregs - Waverly 5+

Shaping up to be a wonderful week for some CAS footy with some good games across the board.

Kell Out.

 

[rugbyGandG]

Source?

My son

 

[Snort]

G,

I will step in here before a number of people take your bait as being sincere with your comment.
I actually agree with probably 99% of your comments, you get Rugby!

BUT you are 1 of those who only wants 6 schools to play out for rulers of the universe, ie the AAGPS!.
Bugger a better and bigger 1sts comp, and that is your view.

Like many I disagree with your insular view but everyone has their opinion.

The reality is other non-GPS people also have strong feelings about their schools and associations, believe it or not, but can get over their own little world.
There are solutions to the difficulties of team match ups etc, it's just that some schools and people have no interest in making things better, ie a bigger and better matched up comp, it's called progress, and we know that some have NO interest in progress!

(Big sigh)

WLF, you know we agree on this. What we need is a three-tier competition. Schools should be placed on the tiers based not only on 1st XV performance but also on the number of teams they can field and the depth and aspirations of the Rugby program. That's important because some schools field relatively few teams but are highly competitive at 1st XV level because of the way they recruit in years 11 and 12. A school like that might find itself in Tier 2, because it can't field many teams against, say, Joeys. The bottom tier should include schools like Grammar and St Aloysius, who want to play Rugby but are limited by the academically selective nature of their intake. There should be the prospect of movement between tiers and the traditional CAS v GPS (and CHS, ISA) games should remain so as to preserve those traditions and give outstanding players from the lower tiers a chance to show what they can do in higher company.

The only argument against this is "tradition". I don't dismiss that lightly. But when you and I were at school, boys used to be caned, and no one wants that to return because "tradition". Also, it was "tradition" that Sydney Grammar produced Wallaby captains, and that tradition has aged so well that Grammar now plays against the 3rd XVs of other schools. Clinging to things that don't work any more because of tradition is just plain dumb. Plus this: there's an important safety factor at play. One day soon a 70kg kid who wants to be a nuclear physicist is going to collide with a 110kg kid who already has an NRL contract, and it won't be pretty.

I'm not sure that the schools can work this out on their own. The real problem (apart from "traditionalists") is that some schools would find it humiliating to no longer play against top-tier schools. They'll resist change (so that they can continue to lose 0-55 to Joeys). Perhaps this is something Rugby Australia needs to address. After all, the independent schools are their best nursery... they may as well give it some care.

 

[Tim Horan]

Big news out of Waverley camp, Sam Johnson is back to return coming out of a shoulder injury. Looks to bench off 2XV but will work his way up in no time

 

[unionlover1985]

Big news out of Waverley camp, Sam Johnson is back to return coming out of a shoulder injury.

That sounds like pretty minuscule news to me....

 

[Tim Horan]

That sounds like pretty minuscule news to me....

Well no, I'm unsure how quickly he'll recover and adjust in time for CAS but fingers crossed he does and will be a huge plus to the waverley squad in the outside backs

 

[WLF3]

(Big sigh)

WLF, you know we agree on this. What we need is a three-tier competition. Schools should be placed on the tiers based not only on 1st XV performance but also on the number of teams they can field and the depth and aspirations of the Rugby program. That's important because some schools field relatively few teams but are highly competitive at 1st XV level because of the way they recruit in years 11 and 12. A school like that might find itself in Tier 2, because it can't field many teams against, say, Joeys. The bottom tier should include schools like Grammar and St Aloysius, who want to play Rugby but are limited by the academically selective nature of their intake. There should be the prospect of movement between tiers and the traditional CAS v GPS (and CHS, ISA) games should remain so as to preserve those traditions and give outstanding players from the lower tiers a chance to show what they can do in higher company.

The only argument against this is "tradition". I don't dismiss that lightly. But when you and I were at school, boys used to be caned, and no one wants that to return because "tradition". Also, it was "tradition" that Sydney Grammar produced Wallaby captains, and that tradition has aged so well that Grammar now plays against the 3rd XVs of other schools. Clinging to things that don't work any more because of tradition is just plain dumb. Plus this: there's an important safety factor at play. One day soon a 70kg kid who wants to be a nuclear physicist is going to collide with a 110kg kid who already has an NRL contract, and it won't be pretty.

I'm not sure that the schools can work this out on their own. The real problem (apart from "traditionalists") is that some schools would find it humiliating to no longer play against top-tier schools. They'll resist change (so that they can continue to lose 0-55 to Joeys). Perhaps this is something Rugby Australia needs to address. After all, the independent schools are their best nursery... they may as well give it some care.

Yes Snort, this is a well trodden path and keeps getting reinvigorated by newcomers, with good intent, to this site.

Like you, I am also done with this discussion, which will please our GPS cousins, but every point you make is spot on.
The other point I will add is that the Sports Masters of each school do have a lot of other sports to also organize each week, eg a thousand soccer games (that drop off sport).

Rugby also isn't the center of their universe and it would take some work to set this all up, and I can't see a school association agreeing to implement this process. Maybe the only trend one day that may force their hand is the lack of team depth and the safety factor, as you mentioned. Strangely enough these 2 issues I believe will only become more pressing.

So we may end up there for all the wrong/right reasons!

 

[RedOrDead]

Yes Snort, this is a well trodden path and keeps getting reinvigorated by newcomers, with good intent, to this site.

Like you, I am also done with this discussion, which will please our GPS cousins, but every point you make is spot on.
The other point I will add is that the Sports Masters of each school do have a lot of other sports to also organize each week, eg a thousand soccer games (that drop off sport).

Rugby also isn't the center of their universe and it would take some work to set this all up, and I can't see a school association agreeing to implement this process. Maybe the only trend one day that may force their hand is the lack of team depth and the safety factor, as you mentioned. Strangely enough these 2 issues I believe will only become more pressing.

So we may end up there for all the wrong/right reasons!

The safety factor will force change very soon. It's looking almost inevitable everytime Aloys run out at the moment against one of the big 3. I actually think it is dangerous for both teams with such a massive difference in ability.

 

[WLF3]

The safety factor will force change very soon. It's looking almost inevitable everytime Aloys run out at the moment against one of the big 3. I actually think it is dangerous for both teams with such a massive difference in ability.

Spot on RoD,

I just hope if a change comes it is proactive not reactive.

 

[pocockenthusiast1973]

(Big sigh)

WLF, you know we agree on this. What we need is a three-tier competition. Schools should be placed on the tiers based not only on 1st XV performance but also on the number of teams they can field and the depth and aspirations of the Rugby program. That's important because some schools field relatively few teams but are highly competitive at 1st XV level because of the way they recruit in years 11 and 12. A school like that might find itself in Tier 2, because it can't field many teams against, say, Joeys. The bottom tier should include schools like Grammar and St Aloysius, who want to play Rugby but are limited by the academically selective nature of their intake. There should be the prospect of movement between tiers and the traditional CAS v GPS (and CHS, ISA) games should remain so as to preserve those traditions and give outstanding players from the lower tiers a chance to show what they can do in higher company.

The only argument against this is "tradition". I don't dismiss that lightly. But when you and I were at school, boys used to be caned, and no one wants that to return because "tradition". Also, it was "tradition" that Sydney Grammar produced Wallaby captains, and that tradition has aged so well that Grammar now plays against the 3rd XVs of other schools. Clinging to things that don't work any more because of tradition is just plain dumb. Plus this: there's an important safety factor at play. One day soon a 70kg kid who wants to be a nuclear physicist is going to collide with a 110kg kid who already has an NRL contract, and it won't be pretty.

I'm not sure that the schools can work this out on their own. The real problem (apart from "traditionalists") is that some schools would find it humiliating to no longer play against top-tier schools. They'll resist change (so that they can continue to lose 0-55 to Joeys). Perhaps this is something Rugby Australia needs to address. After all, the independent schools are their best nursery... they may as well give it some care.

Precisely.

Pocockenthusiast1973 out…