CAS Rugby 2017

[SonnyDillWilliams]

OK sideline, fair enough.

As far as I am concerned Tyzac is still a kid ... so not fair of me to be overly negative

and you are quite right, I have been most complimentary of Tyzac ... he was a worthy Aussie schoolboy, and was a good all round sportsman

I have in earlier years pondered (along with others) if his competitive streak sometimes went too far, blah blah ... but I will concede you are correct

anyway I was more trying to sing Bell's praises ... I think you under-rate him

to score that try against Joeys ...was massive and reflects his potential

to snipe a try against a team with excellent goal line defence and arguably the best 9 (Dowling), I think is just one example of Bell's abilities

if Bell isn't on defenders radars (like you say Tyzac was), then it is at their peril

 

[sidelineview]

OK sideline, fair enough.

As far as I am concerned Tyzac is still a kid . so not fair of me to be overly negative

and you are quite right, I have been most complimentary of Tyzac . he was a worthy Aussie schoolboy, and was a good all round sportsman

I have in earlier years pondered (along with others) if his competitive streak sometimes went too far, blah blah . but I will concede you are correct

anyway I was more trying to sing Bell's praises . I think you under-rate him

to score that try against Joeys .was massive and reflects his potential

to snipe a try against a team with excellent goal line defence and arguably the best 9 (Dowling), I think is just one example of Bell's abilities

if Bell isn't on defenders radars (like you say Tyzac was), then it is at their peril

I dont underrate Bell at all. He's an excellent and experienced scrum half. Ive been an admirer of his for a long time. He does his job in a tradesman like manner.
He's just a different style of player to Jordan but they're both competitors.

I could be critical of him if i wanted to as with any schoolboy rugby player but nothing looks too broken so no point. They're all young and make mistakes and learn but he's a good fit for the current backline. His understanding with Donaldson gives the team a distinct advantage.
He doesn't run a lot but he's sharp enough to take advantage if the defence is caught napping.

 

[CatchnPass]

The season preview by William88 is on the home page now.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/cas-2017-season-preview/​

Thank you to those who contributed comments or wrote the segments - you were a great help.

If you have any remarks to make about the preview, please make them in the Discussion area at the bottom of the blog.

William has made a big call as to who is going to win the comp. Give it a click and write a comment.

Then the boss will know that it's worthwhile for us to be blogging schools' stuff.

Cheers

LG
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W88, great preview. I esp liked the tongue in cheek gee up to Waves re coming 2nd. You are clearly a master motivator.

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[rod skellet]

W88, great preview. I esp liked the tongue in cheek gee up to Waves re coming 2nd. You are clearly a master motivator.

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Agreed. I could not get into main page to respond either.


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[noeyeddear]

W88, great preview. I esp liked the tongue in cheek gee up to Waves re coming 2nd. You are clearly a master motivator.

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Have to agree. I watched Knox vs Newington and Waves vs Joeys as well as Barker vs St Eddies, Oak Hill, Aloys, Joeys 2s, and Cranbrook. Barker have stepped up hugely from last year - no doubt. I just see them struggling with the no-risk physical game that Knox bring, and the dynamism that I have read about in the Waverley match reports. So, in summary, it is possible for Barker to win, but it will involve 2 huge upsets so I find it odd to rate them #1 at the outset.

 

[William88]

Have to agree. I watched Knox vs Newington and Waves vs Joeys as well as Barker vs St Eddies, Oak Hill, Aloys, Joeys 2s, and Cranbrook. Barker have stepped up hugely from last year - no doubt. I just see them struggling with the no-risk physical game that Knox bring, and the dynamism that I have read about in the Waverley match reports. So, in summary, it is possible for Barker to win, but it will involve 2 huge upsets so I find it odd to rate them #1 at the outset.

As I said in the preview the reasoning behind the positioning is based around a few issues:

1. Knox always build their players to set them up for representative selection. It's one of the strengths of the program. But it does lead them to be a bit fatigued in the 2nd half of the season. If Barker played Knox next week, I would put my kids education fund on Knox to win at a betting margin of 5/4. But that's not the case. And I think that's a significant factor in the discussion. barker will build as they do every year throughout the season and will be a far more difficult threat next term than they will be this week. Knox will still be an outstanding team and will not be an easy target for anybody in 2017.

2. Waverley find it difficult to return after the break and they definitely find travelling to Barker difficult. There have been many issues over the years that have happened at Barker, but in the last ten years, they have easily lost more up there than they have won. That match for me, will decide the CAS premiership.

3. It's also far too predictable to say Knox or Waverley. Selecting Barker is a risk, but I feel I can justify the positioning as shown above.

4. Barker play the rough, tough, rugby that can get under the skin of the sides like Waverley and Knox. That's what made them a force in the early 10's and is coming back into their game again. They are also a very physical side, something Knox and Waverley focus on. If they match that though, they have speed to burn on the wing and some very talented young footballers to use the space ahead of them.

I understand not everyone will agree with me, but just wanted to make sure everyone understood why I outlined the positioning as I did.

As this is schoolboy rugby, all predictions usually head out the window anyway once the whistle blows.

I wish all teams the best of luck, and hope CAS put some of the excellent play in all teams into the rep season as well.

PS go the blues!

 

[noeyeddear]

As I said in the preview the reasoning behind the positioning is based around a few issues:

1. Knox always build their players to set them up for representative selection. It's one of the strengths of the program. But it does lead them to be a bit fatigued in the 2nd half of the season. If Barker played Knox next week, I would put my kids education fund on Knox to win at a betting margin of 5/4. But that's not the case. And I think that's a significant factor in the discussion. barker will build as they do every year throughout the season and will be a far more difficult threat next term than they will be this week. Knox will still be an outstanding team and will not be an easy target for anybody in 2017.

2. Waverley find it difficult to return after the break and they definitely find travelling to Barker difficult. There have been many issues over the years that have happened at Barker, but in the last ten years, they have easily lost more up there than they have won. That match for me, will decide the CAS premiership.

3. It's also far too predictable to say Knox or Waverley. Selecting Barker is a risk, but I feel I can justify the posintiong as shown above.

4. Barker play the rough, tough, rugby that can get under the skin of the sides like Waverley and Knox. That's what made them a force in the early 10's and is coming back into their game again.

I understand not everyone will agree with me, but just wanted to make sure everyone understood why I outlined the positioning as I did.

I wish all teams the best of luck, and hope CAS put some of the excellent play in all teams into the rep season as well.

I hope you are right!! I think they could scare both teams and maybe upset one of them. They look primed for 2 good years in 18 and 19 with so many young players and some outstanding individuals in 16s like Vass, Ovenden and Slinn (injured and out for season) to go with Galloway and the 3 yr 10 imports who have played mainly 1sts this season. So I agree the future looks bright as most of this yrs 1sts will go round again next year but my head says they don't quite have the quality to win it in 17.
Understand your reasoning, though.

 

[Rich_E]

As I said in the preview the reasoning behind the positioning is based around a few issues:

1. Knox always build their players to set them up for representative selection. It's one of the strengths of the program. But it does lead them to be a bit fatigued in the 2nd half of the season. If Barker played Knox next week, I would put my kids education fund on Knox to win at a betting margin of 5/4. But that's not the case. And I think that's a significant factor in the discussion. barker will build as they do every year throughout the season and will be a far more difficult threat next term than they will be this week. Knox will still be an outstanding team and will not be an easy target for anybody in 2017.

2. Waverley find it difficult to return after the break and they definitely find travelling to Barker difficult. There have been many issues over the years that have happened at Barker, but in the last ten years, they have easily lost more up there than they have won. That match for me, will decide the CAS premiership.

3. It's also far too predictable to say Knox or Waverley. Selecting Barker is a risk, but I feel I can justify the positioning as shown above.

4. Barker play the rough, tough, rugby that can get under the skin of the sides like Waverley and Knox. That's what made them a force in the early 10's and is coming back into their game again. They are also a very physical side, something Knox and Waverley focus on. If they match that though, they have speed to burn on the wing and some very talented young footballers to use the space ahead of them.

I understand not everyone will agree with me, but just wanted to make sure everyone understood why I outlined the positioning as I did.

As this is schoolboy rugby, all predictions usually head out the window anyway once the whistle blows.

I wish all teams the best of luck, and hope CAS put some of the excellent play in all teams into the rep season as well.

PS go the blues!

Bold prediction, but certainly not crazy. This time last year (roughly) Riverview had won 4 from 4 in GPS comp and were looking odds on favourite to win the Premiership IMO. Then they lost 3 in a row and ended up finishing second.No one saw that coming.

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[Lee Grant]

Agreed. I could not get into main page to respond either.

That's strange I was able to make one and I went in just now and the Discussion screen came up for me - weird.
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[Hasbeen]

I had the same problem as Rod and Cathn,pass, could not get into the main page

 

[Hasbeen]

Anyways Barker to Win. Big prediction but a possibility.

 

[sidelineview]

Anyways Barker to Win. Big prediction but a possibility.

It's a big call and not out of the question.
Barker looked like a very promising emerging team at the end of last season.

All the planets will need to be perfectly aligned but a possibility.

 

[richard powell]

Barker? on results so far you would think Waverley easily, then Knox ... but I suppose you never know in sport

 

[sidelineview]

Barker? on results so far you would think Waverley easily, then Knox . but I suppose you never know in sport

Injuries/unavailability will play a big role. Who knows? Anything can happen in a one round comp.

 

[Hasbeen]

If someone didn't post something controversial we wouldn't have anything to bang on about...ha

 

[Skyhighobserver]

What was still crystal clear to me from the weekend that passed is that Knox are vulnerable in the same way as QLD were in the league last night (I know this is a union forum, it's the last time I'll ever bring them up.) Joeys focused their running at the weak points namely the wide fringes and were able to vary up the movement from their forwards. Negative carries were few and far between but what was concerning for Knox was that their new imported back line was almost instantly shut down. The 10 is not creative enough in attack and is clearly held hostage by processes meaning that there was very little that his outside backs could do. The new flanker for Knox from the 16's showed maturity beyond his years and was well inside the top 5 players for the game. It almost seems nightmareish that Knox could fall apart in the last 20 mins the way they did, a real coach killer and shows that the program is now reliant solely on the processes and not teaching good rugby players to think and play the game in front of them.

Joeys were superb no doubt and on any other day could have been said to have been the top private school for rugby. Waverley have that crown for now and if they were to snatch away the Henry Plume, would no doubt put pain to any school who challenged them. Their attack is lightning and their defence often times resembles a brick wall. Vulnerable is just not a word that comes to mind when describing them this year. Waverley too have the benefit of the draw playing all of their scary games at Queen's Park.

Barker are the underdogs. Their 8, 9 and 12 have an understanding and chemistry between them that is unmatched at any other school and the willingness to run showed on Saturday. Granted, they played a team that is absolutely outclassed by all comers this year but it was certainly physical, and barker won that battle easily.

 

[HeresToRugby]

What was still crystal clear to me from the weekend that passed is that Knox are vulnerable in the same way as QLD were in the league last night (I know this is a union forum, it's the last time I'll ever bring them up.) Joeys focused their running at the weak points namely the wide fringes and were able to vary up the movement from their forwards. Negative carries were few and far between but what was concerning for Knox was that their new imported back line was almost instantly shut down. The 10 is not creative enough in attack and is clearly held hostage by processes meaning that there was very little that his outside backs could do. The new flanker for Knox from the 16's showed maturity beyond his years and was well inside the top 5 players for the game. It almost seems nightmareish that Knox could fall apart in the last 20 mins the way they did, a real coach killer and shows that the program is now reliant solely on the processes and not teaching good rugby players to think and play the game in front of them.

Joeys were superb no doubt and on any other day could have been said to have been the top private school for rugby. Waverley have that crown for now and if they were to snatch away the Henry Plume, would no doubt put pain to any school who challenged them. Their attack is lightning and their defence often times resembles a brick wall. Vulnerable is just not a word that comes to mind when describing them this year. Waverley too have the benefit of the draw playing all of their scary games at Queen's Park.

Barker are the underdogs. Their 8, 9 and 12 have an understanding and chemistry between them that is unmatched at any other school and the willingness to run showed on Saturday. Granted, they played a team that is absolutely outclassed by all comers this year but it was certainly physical, and barker won that battle easily.

Surely Riverview & Kings have some sort of claim to the top private school in rugby having just beaten Waverley? These games have shown that on any day you need to be at your best or you will be found out. Waverley were far too good for Joeys but they also lost to Kings. Waverley are definitely up there also of course.

 

[WLF]

Surely Riverview & Kings have some sort of claim to the top private school in rugby having just beaten Waverley? These games have shown that on any day you need to be at your best or you will be found out. Waverley were far too good for Joeys but they also lost to Kings. Waverley are definitely up there also of course.

For what it's worth, when Waverley played Riverview last week they had 6 players out, most were forwards. Riverview played well and deserved to win, no doubt about it, but compared to the Joeys and Newington games,they were very disjointed and also had people in unusual positions, eg the no 8 played inside centre, they also had key players out v Kings.

At full strength they are pretty good.

 

[Hasbeen]

You mean, WLF, that a full strength Waverley would monster/ decimate View. It was not the same team which played Joeys...

 

[HeresToRugby]

For what it's worth, when Waverley played Riverview last week they had 6 players out, most were forwards. Riverview played well and deserved to win, no doubt about it, but compared to the Joeys and Newington games,they were very disjointed and also had people in unusual positions, eg the no 8 played inside centre, they also had key players out v Kings.

At full strength they are pretty good.

I suppose there's the thing. All schools have people playing out of position at the moment with injuries. The ones Joeys had out from Scots (week before) and after 6 minutes versus Waverley wouldn't have changed the result but certainly had an effect on the size of the win.

I haven't seen so many injuries in recent memory from all schools so it's pretty hard to predict who's going to win what competition as each week goes by.