lincoln
Bob Loudon (25)
Highly doubt??? No biggie but indeed the boys in white were victorious that day in somewhat of an upset. Anyway, six years on it should be a good clash - hopefully updates come thru from the GAGR faithful present.
CAS Rugby 2014
- Thread starter pigprop
- Start date
- Status
Elfster
Alex Ross (28)
He is out, or at least not in the program.
Their depth in the seconds looked ok though. Knox 69 Waverley 7. 11 tries to 1 and 7 tries to nil in the second half
Knox 56 Waverley 31.
A few of the tries to Waverley were quite against run of play and aided by some luck with ball bounces etc. one Waverley player red carded (#6?) in a pretty scrappy game. Best team won with blinders from jimmy widders-leece and Jake Pierce.
I'm the opens knox pretty much won 2nds to 5ths by around 50 points.
A few of the tries to Waverley were quite against run of play and aided by some luck with ball bounces etc. one Waverley player red carded (#6?) in a pretty scrappy game. Best team won with blinders from jimmy widders-leece and Jake Pierce.
I'm the opens knox pretty much won 2nds to 5ths by around 50 points.
smokinjoe
Ward Prentice (10)
Cranbrook pretty solid across the park with good line speed shutting Barker down whenever they had the ball and Barker had plenty of ball.
Set pieces to Cranbrook whose scrum was stronger and lineout better including 1 or 2 against the throw.
Best for Cranbrook was No 10 Sam Renton who had a blinder - kicked goals from all over the park whenever Barker infringed and scored a great solo try (he has some pace and a great step) and set up the other try. The No 9 gave him some good ball to work with provided by a solid pack of forwards.
Cranbrook could have scored more points but went the conservative route whenever a penalty was in kicking range - and why wouldn't they with Renton kicking so well. Makkas in the forwards was very good with the ball but all the Cranbrook forwards made tackles and gernerally held the ball well.
Radoscky on the wing showed some pace and McNiven No 12 was very gutsy.
Barker were committed in the forwards and well drilled but apart from a late try (scored after several penalties and Summerhayes going to the sin bin - one of 3 yellow cards in the match for breakdown infringements) couldn't penetrate Cranbrook's defence - they missed their halves very much.
Scythe
Larry Dwyer (12)
Aloys atrocious today and the forwards again went missing - with limited or no support at the breakdown
The backs - were bolstered by a new number 9 but unfortunately were unable to make any momentum due to the lack of phase build up with 3-4 phases being the average.
Trinity were not special but definitely more rounded with good consistency at the line out and a mental attitude which was evident in many vocal displays to the Aloysius players
The number 8 from Trinity - Wayland - is a liability to the team after allowing the Aloysian old boys to get under his skin - focusing more on returning abuse than his work on the park. He then attempted to start a fight but much to the credit of his team mates they all were very quick to ensure that he didn't cost them a card. He picked up a soft try at the end of the game on the back of some ball movement but he should watch this behaviour for the sake of his team as Poor discipline may be the difference in tight games
The trinity fullback was outstanding - with a great effort everywhere - and not letting his lack of size hold him back - with great runs, hands and busts on several occasions
For Aloysius - no standouts were evident and I think a long hard think in the sheds about their motivation is needed - with most of them looking disheartened from the middle of the first half - which is not typical of aloys sides who normally play with great effort despite being underdogs. Perhaps the coaching staff needs a change in mentality as they are not connecting with the boys
My predictions about a change at fullback and nine did occur and did help but more work is needed to ensure this isn't a 0-10 season
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The backs - were bolstered by a new number 9 but unfortunately were unable to make any momentum due to the lack of phase build up with 3-4 phases being the average.
Trinity were not special but definitely more rounded with good consistency at the line out and a mental attitude which was evident in many vocal displays to the Aloysius players
The number 8 from Trinity - Wayland - is a liability to the team after allowing the Aloysian old boys to get under his skin - focusing more on returning abuse than his work on the park. He then attempted to start a fight but much to the credit of his team mates they all were very quick to ensure that he didn't cost them a card. He picked up a soft try at the end of the game on the back of some ball movement but he should watch this behaviour for the sake of his team as Poor discipline may be the difference in tight games
The trinity fullback was outstanding - with a great effort everywhere - and not letting his lack of size hold him back - with great runs, hands and busts on several occasions
For Aloysius - no standouts were evident and I think a long hard think in the sheds about their motivation is needed - with most of them looking disheartened from the middle of the first half - which is not typical of aloys sides who normally play with great effort despite being underdogs. Perhaps the coaching staff needs a change in mentality as they are not connecting with the boys
My predictions about a change at fullback and nine did occur and did help but more work is needed to ensure this isn't a 0-10 season
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
oldandslow
Herbert Moran (7)
Trinity had a comfortable 25-8 win over Aloys today (3 tries to 1), and will be well pleased with another significant step forward in terms of improved performance across the park.
With Aloys smashing TGS in the 16s and 2nd XV, the Aloys contingent, including a vocal group of old boys, were in full voice.
However, Trinity turned out their most composed performance of 2014 and were never really troubled. D
Dominance in the line out, scrum and maul gave Trinity plenty of possession and their first half try was a forward effort, rumbled over after several bullocking charges at the line. I think it was Wayland (8) who came up last at the end of it, but stand to be corrected as it was scored in the far corner.
Despite a dominant first half performance Trinity would have been slightly nervous going in to half time only 8-3 up; the 1st half possession should have been converted into at least one or two more tries.
Credit to Aloys on tenacious defence at times, but the power advantage of the Trinity the pack was evident and Aloys were holding on at times by slowing down ruck ball illegally, and the penalty count started to swing heavily against them.
In the second half Trinity scored early through some nice backline play to put Barkley-Brown (15) away out wide, and he had too much pace for the chasing Aloys back, trotting through to score under the posts. Although Aloys tried hard, they had difficulty containing the strong running Saofia (13) all afternoon, and his meterage was the stand out on either side.
The Trinity pack was effective at rumbling the ball forward and the front row (McLennan, Nguyen and Cooke) were strong, as was the number 6 (Corias). Filipo (5) was utterly in control of the lineouts, an effective possession winner from kick offs and generally had another strong game. Corias (6) also lead his team around the field well, tackled strongly, ran strongly and had a great captain's game.
There was a bit of handbag throwing in the second half and some long delays while the ref sorted it out. Nothing really in it, but all a bit unedifying.
Shortly after play resumed Aloys' scrum half, Alex Feltham, scored a run away try. An Aloys scrum close to the touch line was being pushed backwards and wheeled. Feltham showed enterprise, pace and twinkling toes as he skirted down the sideline, flirting with touch in a 35m dash that was rewarded by a try in the corner. Well done young man.
Not long later though the Trinity were back on attack and the number 8, Wayland, was too powerful close to the line and brushed off a couple of would be tacklers to break cleanly through the line and score next to the posts.
Aloys were plucky, and the outside backs looked dangerous at times, in particular Vevers (13), however, rugby games are won in the forwards and Aloys looked a bit light on up front, both in general play and in the set pieces. They'll need to find a way to address that as the season progresses.
For Trinity, most of the side had a strong game. I assume the 13 from last week was injured, as Saofia moved from 12 to 13 (and had a better game), and Longville moved from 11 to 12, where he acquitted himself very well, including with his goal kicking. He looks unusually assured in the inside backs for a year 10 boy.
All in all, Trinity looked to have taken a deep breath and played much more controlled football. Although perhaps less exciting, and lacking a little in penetration other than through Saofia at 13, they looked to be playing at 85%, less on edge, and the handling and ball control was improved.
There were still some errors that have the potential to lose them games though, such as repeating last week's problem by failing on two occasions to find touch from penalties. Saofia also looks a tad slow in defence at 13 and very fast backlines may be able to exploit that. That said, Trinity's defence was vastly improved from the Waverley game. Aloys lacked penetration at time, but you can only tackle what's in front of you.
The Knox / Waverley result was interesting, and I'll be keen to see a report on where Waverley was able to unlock Knox's defence. One would think that Trinity will need to improve all parts of their game to give Knox a run next week, but they'll take heart from the excellent defence against Aloys and the continuing improvement in their game from week to week; this is now a very different looking team to the one that played Stannies only a few games ago.
If they can defend well, play with a little more discipline (less penalties conceded), make less mistakes and play at the right end of the park then hosting Knox next week might be a much more interesting game than any of us would have predicted on pre-season form.
With Aloys smashing TGS in the 16s and 2nd XV, the Aloys contingent, including a vocal group of old boys, were in full voice.
However, Trinity turned out their most composed performance of 2014 and were never really troubled. D
Dominance in the line out, scrum and maul gave Trinity plenty of possession and their first half try was a forward effort, rumbled over after several bullocking charges at the line. I think it was Wayland (8) who came up last at the end of it, but stand to be corrected as it was scored in the far corner.
Despite a dominant first half performance Trinity would have been slightly nervous going in to half time only 8-3 up; the 1st half possession should have been converted into at least one or two more tries.
Credit to Aloys on tenacious defence at times, but the power advantage of the Trinity the pack was evident and Aloys were holding on at times by slowing down ruck ball illegally, and the penalty count started to swing heavily against them.
In the second half Trinity scored early through some nice backline play to put Barkley-Brown (15) away out wide, and he had too much pace for the chasing Aloys back, trotting through to score under the posts. Although Aloys tried hard, they had difficulty containing the strong running Saofia (13) all afternoon, and his meterage was the stand out on either side.
The Trinity pack was effective at rumbling the ball forward and the front row (McLennan, Nguyen and Cooke) were strong, as was the number 6 (Corias). Filipo (5) was utterly in control of the lineouts, an effective possession winner from kick offs and generally had another strong game. Corias (6) also lead his team around the field well, tackled strongly, ran strongly and had a great captain's game.
There was a bit of handbag throwing in the second half and some long delays while the ref sorted it out. Nothing really in it, but all a bit unedifying.
Shortly after play resumed Aloys' scrum half, Alex Feltham, scored a run away try. An Aloys scrum close to the touch line was being pushed backwards and wheeled. Feltham showed enterprise, pace and twinkling toes as he skirted down the sideline, flirting with touch in a 35m dash that was rewarded by a try in the corner. Well done young man.
Not long later though the Trinity were back on attack and the number 8, Wayland, was too powerful close to the line and brushed off a couple of would be tacklers to break cleanly through the line and score next to the posts.
Aloys were plucky, and the outside backs looked dangerous at times, in particular Vevers (13), however, rugby games are won in the forwards and Aloys looked a bit light on up front, both in general play and in the set pieces. They'll need to find a way to address that as the season progresses.
For Trinity, most of the side had a strong game. I assume the 13 from last week was injured, as Saofia moved from 12 to 13 (and had a better game), and Longville moved from 11 to 12, where he acquitted himself very well, including with his goal kicking. He looks unusually assured in the inside backs for a year 10 boy.
All in all, Trinity looked to have taken a deep breath and played much more controlled football. Although perhaps less exciting, and lacking a little in penetration other than through Saofia at 13, they looked to be playing at 85%, less on edge, and the handling and ball control was improved.
There were still some errors that have the potential to lose them games though, such as repeating last week's problem by failing on two occasions to find touch from penalties. Saofia also looks a tad slow in defence at 13 and very fast backlines may be able to exploit that. That said, Trinity's defence was vastly improved from the Waverley game. Aloys lacked penetration at time, but you can only tackle what's in front of you.
The Knox / Waverley result was interesting, and I'll be keen to see a report on where Waverley was able to unlock Knox's defence. One would think that Trinity will need to improve all parts of their game to give Knox a run next week, but they'll take heart from the excellent defence against Aloys and the continuing improvement in their game from week to week; this is now a very different looking team to the one that played Stannies only a few games ago.
If they can defend well, play with a little more discipline (less penalties conceded), make less mistakes and play at the right end of the park then hosting Knox next week might be a much more interesting game than any of us would have predicted on pre-season form.
oldandslow
Herbert Moran (7)
"Liability" may be a tad harsh. He's a year 10 kid who seems to be more than holding his own in the opens and I think has now scored 3 tries in the first two CAS games. No doubt discipline should and will improve with maturity, but perhaps the old boys heaping abuse on year 10 kids playing footy for their school on a Saturday afternoon should have a long hard look at themselves?
Scythe
Larry Dwyer (12)
I am not talking about his footballing ability but it is important to learn from games like this that the crowd counts for nothing - he let it get to him today as the referee said - hope he learns from this and focuses on the game he shows a lot of potential in
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
oldandslow
Herbert Moran (7)
I was on the other side, so couldn't hear what was happening. Looked like a boil up, ref sorted it out with a long talking two. 30 seconds after play restarted the Waverley 14 ran in from about 20m away to push a player after play had stopped. Ref had another chat. Looks like it was well handled by the ref. Let's remember these are teenage kids playing a tough game, so likely to be fired up.
Scythe
Larry Dwyer (12)
Also the aloys old boys have been known to be especially vocal and thus they were banned for the last couple of years. This has been overturned this year.
I think there is a difference between abuse and banter. As a player I copped a lot of banter at every school I went to and actually enjoyed the crowd calling my name - and look back on those moments as some of my finest memories
When banter becomes abuse should not be tolerated - such as remarks I have heard all over Sydney such as "I will slit your throat .....player x " or other such useless remarks.
Under CAS policy if any spectator - parent, old boy, visitor or student - makes a threatening remark they should be advised to leave
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think there is a difference between abuse and banter. As a player I copped a lot of banter at every school I went to and actually enjoyed the crowd calling my name - and look back on those moments as some of my finest memories
When banter becomes abuse should not be tolerated - such as remarks I have heard all over Sydney such as "I will slit your throat .....player x " or other such useless remarks.
Under CAS policy if any spectator - parent, old boy, visitor or student - makes a threatening remark they should be advised to leave
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
This is disgraceful from Barker. A school with their depth should never be beaten by St Aloysius or Cranbrook and the scoreline shows that development in all areas of the rugby program under the current coaches is sadly lacking. All to often in the last 7 years the 1st XV has been beaten by large scores and last years title can be put down to the young lad who came over from Kings and got them out of jail against Waverley and certainly not the development of their own program. In 2008 they came 4th, 2009 last, 2010 they won on the back of a very good Gordon junior side, not sure about the 2012 team but 2013 they would not have won without The Kings boy who was certainly not developed by them. A look at their performances in age groups will tell you they are not concentrating on the whole program.
Smooth
Stan Wickham (3)
Scythe
Larry Dwyer (12)
It's good to finally have some good chat this forum has even filled with a lot of useless chat lately - good to see
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
BRUMBIEJACK
Larry Dwyer (12)
Good to see some in-depth analysis from the commentators. According to Elfster the penalties were keeping Waverley in the game at 39-17 and then sw57's view of a 56-31 scoreline was that Waverley scored against the run of play and got a few lucky bounces of the ball. I'm a Waverley parent and didn't see the game but gave them a bagging last week because of the game I did see and because I thought they were average relative to the past couple of years and that their defence wasn't up to scratch.
Although it is schoolboys rugby and therefore the relative standards from year to year should be understood, I would have thought that some more in-depth commentary than both Elfster and sw57 provided would have been welcomed. Knox can obviously score tries, but with a much larger player pool to draw from, at their home ground, on their gala day, with an ex-international and Super 15 coach who is on a big salary to coach their rugby team with no teaching duties and having undertaken a NZ tour, to leak more than 30 points against a Waverley team that isn't very strong this year should throw up some questions that are worth answering. Besides Elfster's view that the ref was against them, or sw57's that the bounce of the ball was what created the tries did anyone with any serious and objective views of the game have any information as to what occurred ?
With the resources poured into Knox rugby I would assume that results would be required as is the commercial way. It will be interesting to see Knox v Cranbrook (who appear to be good this year) or even against Waverley at Death Valley.
I'm sorry if my game 'analysis' was not to your liking BJ.
As a very frequent visitor to this forum after the Saturday games I like to log on straight away to find out the results and hence posted the score of the Knox game as I was leaving the ground with a few comments to accompany (I was beaten to the post button however by elfster with the score...
If you looked at my very detailed revue of last weeks game you would see that I was not infant providing you bland information quickly, but was just providing the score with the intention of giving a detailed revue when I got home.
As for the game, I still find that most of the tries were scored against the run of play very much dominated by the dynamic knox forwards, also Connor Watsons experience was missed in defence. The 'lucky bounce' was when three knox backs clearly had a chip kick covered however the ball bounced back over all threes heads so the Waverley boy could fall over for a try.
If you don't want a quick score posted in future, let me know.
BRUMBIEJACK
Larry Dwyer (12)
By all means send us the score as it is much appreciated but if you want to post comments that damn with faint praise then that may be best left to yourself. You spoke of multiple lucky bounces in your original post and scoring against the run of play but then referred to one instance in your post above. Does that mean that some tries were scored without the aid of lucky bounces, or not against the run of play ? Don't get me wrong - this year is not a good one for Waverley and I assume that it will be for Knox.
I would also be interested in your view of whether the school thinks that it is getting a good return on its investment with its well remunerated coaching staff. Having only returned to the schoolboy rugby scene a few years back after a few decades' absence much is very familiar and nicely so, but the entrance of professional coaches at this level is something I'm still coming to terms with and in particular how a school can afford them and what the measure of success is considered to be.
- Status