CAS 2018

[Hasbeen]

Uniform is pre eminent after all....

 

[Rich_E]

Does anyone know if Barker has any attendance requirements for its students. Is it compulsory? Would be great to see big turn out from both schools.
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[sidelineview]

Does anyone know if Barker has any attendance requirements for its students. Is it compulsory? Would be great to see big turn out from both schools.
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Barker 13s, 16s & Opens play at Queens Park. They might hang around for the 1sts game.

 

[WLF]

Logically, Barker ought to win fairly comfortably. Home ground advantage matters, but not as much as Waverley needs it to. Barker just seems to have too much strength up front and while, in some past seasons, Waverley has been able to compensate for lack of size by playing a fast, wide game in the backs, this year's back line doesn't seem to have that little bit extra that others have had in the recent past.

But, but, but.

Trinity (who are 0 from 3) matched Barker in the first half, and showed that the side has real vulnerabilities. Barker's defence didn't regroup all that well on the counterattack (an area where Waverley is usually strong), and the outside backs made handling mistakes under not all that much pressure. So, while Barker goes in as deserved favourites, it's by no means an unbeatable side.

And, here's the thing. If we were in the ten-game competition, you'd have Barker marked down as winners already. Waverley hasn't been hugely convincing against Aloysius and Cranbrook, and Barker has the strength and depth to last out a long campaign. But this year we're back to sudden death. Everything can turn on a single game, and you know what they say about two-horse races.

Anyway, a huge game. Hope it lives up to the expectations. I'll be at Summer Hill, watching Trinity try to salvage something from a weird season in which they've beaten Joeys for only the second time ever, launched five NSW representatives and three Australian squad members, but don't seem able to win another match.

Snort,

I couldn't agree more, how is it that Trinity have not won more games.
Pre the CAS season start many were seriously contemplating that this Trinity side could well be the spanner in the works, may even share in the spoils.Are there some year 11 boys who will return for 2019?

I have a different opinion about the game at Death Valley on Sat.

Every game the Waves have played without Luca Moretti they have struggled, with him, he is worth 10-20 points for the team. It is not a 1 man team by any stretch, and it's not just reliant on his own actions, but he leads and they follow.
Queens Park is worth a handsome margin to the Waves, 10+, so if you add it all up there's 20-30 points the Waves already have against Barker. Game over.

Rod, Hasbeen and Barker brethen, get ready for the curse to continue for all who step on this hard cricket pitch grave land.
We most certainly welcome you, and will also warmly wave goodbye!

 

[WLF]

Does anyone know if Barker has any attendance requirements for its students. Is it compulsory? Would be great to see big turn out from both schools.
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Rich_E,

I hope so, Waverley has at least year 11 as compulsory, but most rugby playing boys will be there, that I do know.
As you would know from scots and any school who is winning, it also draws a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't attend.
eg rugby people like yourself, and I know of several Cranbrook dads/mates and others from club land who are coming.

Adds to the pressure on Barker!

 

[Rich_E]

Snort,

I couldn't agree more, how is it that Trinity have not won more games.
Pre the CAS season start many were seriously contemplating that this Trinity side could well be the spanner in the works, may even share in the spoils.Are there some year 11 boys who will return for 2019?

I have a different opinion about the game at Death Valley on Sat.

Every game the Waves have played without Luca Moretti they have struggled, with him, he is worth 10-20 points for the team. It is not a 1 man team by any stretch, and it's not just reliant on his own actions, but he leads and they follow.
Queens Park is worth a handsome margin to the Waves, 10+, so if you add it all up there's 20-30 points the Waves already have against Barker. Game over.

Rod, Hasbeen and Barker brethen, get ready for the curse to continue for all who step on this hard cricket pitch grave land.
We most certainly welcome you, and will also warmly wave goodbye!

All good points WLF. What's missing though is that
Baker has scored, on average, 42 points per game, vs Waves 26. That's just comp games. BC average would be higher if captured all games this season. Also BC has conceded an average of 9 points per game, vs 12 for Waves. Tells me, defence is good for both teams, but BC stronger in attack. Just numbers though.
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[WLF]

All good points WLF. What's missing though is that
Baker has scored, on average, 42 points per game, vs Waves 26. That's just comp games. BC average would be higher if captured all games this season. Also BC has conceded an average of 9 points per game, vs 12 for Waves. Tells me, defence is good for both teams, but BC stronger in attack. Just numbers though.
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Thanks Rich_E, but stats don't matter at QP.

 

[Hasbeen]

Snort,

I couldn't agree more, how is it that Trinity have not won more games.
Pre the CAS season start many were seriously contemplating that this Trinity side could well be the spanner in the works, may even share in the spoils.Are there some year 11 boys who will return for 2019?

I have a different opinion about the game at Death Valley on Sat.

Every game the Waves have played without Luca Moretti they have struggled, with him, he is worth 10-20 points for the team. It is not a 1 man team by any stretch, and it's not just reliant on his own actions, but he leads and they follow.
Queens Park is worth a handsome margin to the Waves, 10+, so if you add it all up there's 20-30 points the Waves already have against Barker. Game over.

Rod, Hasbeen and Barker brethen, get ready for the curse to continue for all who step on this hard cricket pitch grave land.
We most certainly welcome you, and will also warmly wave goodbye!

WLF you are a good soul and I agree with part of what you say - QP, the Moretti factor will all count for points. I still think it will be too close to call, and is likely to go to the wire, being determined in the last 15 minutes as desperation from both sides mounts. If the last 15 minutes can be as good as the last 15 minutes in last year's game I will be a happy spectator, irrespective of the result. By the way, what do the Waverley players belt as they come out of the change rooms onto the field? IT sounds awesome. I hope they give it a bit of an extra thump tomorrow....

 

[Hasbeen]

Does anyone know if Barker has any attendance requirements for its students. Is it compulsory? Would be great to see big turn out from both schools.
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No - not compulsory Rich E

 

[Up and under]

I would not recommend any Barker supporter stationing himself on the northern boundary wearing a Barker rugby cap and trailing his coat behind him ..

Passionate and rowdy behaviour on the sideline is not immune to the Waverley College Old Boys.

Last year at Barker I was witness to an appalling display of abuse and bad sportsmanship from a "young" group of Barker Old Boys who had ventured down to Barker Oval No 1 from the local watering hole to watch the Waves v Barker 1st XV match.

Their language and abuse towards the Waverley players on the field and to the reserves on the bench was embarrassing and uncalled for. The language and abuse continued for the whole game, even when the Waverley College Headmaster walked over to them to have a word. The fact that no teachers or officials from Barker College went near the boys to speak with them to settle them down was very disappointing. The cynic in me says that they were a plant from the school to unsettle what was a champion Waverley team. Of course the Waverley boys had the last laugh by winning the game and the premiership, and when they pointed to the scoreboard, the Barker Old Boys unsurprisingly went very quiet all of a sudden and disappeared into the distance. It spoilt what was one of the best schoolboy games I have witnessed for many, many years.

I'm all for passionate and boisterous cheering and support for your team, but the Barker Old Boys stepped way over the line last year.

 

[Hasbeen]

That may be true Up and Under, I was over the other side of the oval at the time and too intent on watching a great game of Rugby to notice any behaviour over the other side of the oval. I am unsure if any other Waverley supporters noticed anything at the time - certainly there were no comments posted on Green and Gold at the time.

 

[Hasbeen]

Hopefully it was taken up with the headmaster

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

it's a given ......recent old boys will be pre-loaded and will feed off one another

it is mostly playful banter ... however there is always the chance it goes too far ... hence the need for security

anyways it is all par for the course and I don't think the rather large Barker lads will be too worried

Waverley I know want to have Barker thinking/wondering are they fully fit ... mind games.

Is Moretti going to be there? Is he going to be fully fit?

well lets just put it this way ... when Waverley have their backrow full strength, as WLF says you can forget about the stats

 

[WLF]

WLF you are a good soul and I agree with part of what you say - QP, the Moretti factor will all count for points. I still think it will be too close to call, and is likely to go to the wire, being determined in the last 15 minutes as desperation from both sides mounts. If the last 15 minutes can be as good as the last 15 minutes in last year's game I will be a happy spectator, irrespective of the result. By the way, what do the Waverley players belt as they come out of the change rooms onto the field? IT sounds awesome. I hope they give it a bit of an extra thump tomorrow..

Agree Hasbeen, may it be a great game and may the best team win.

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

What has happened to rod skellet? He has gone into stealth mode.

I don't think we need to send a search party ... he is probably that guy with the tent down at QP.
With his head tapped up, and red beanie.

Rod post a team list? And I'll return the favour ... I did hear there was one injury concern

Amazing the rugby grapevine

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

I love that old chestnut... where the injured player, plays half a game in the 7ths, so he has technically played earlier

Fresh on the bench

I think joeys invented that along with a few other tricks

 

[richard powell]

Just an honest viewpoint. I have only seen Barker and Waverley play once this year and both games were against Aloys. The Waverley game was very close and easily could have gone either way. However, whilst Aloys were very courageous in the first half, the Barker boys turned it on and came away very convincing winners. The way they played their 4 and 5 as runners centrefield for gain-line pressure and then next phase at speed was really impressive.They also have a very aggressive defence, really committed. For mine everyone seems to talk about their forwards but their backline is impressive. The game i saw both centres and the fullback were positive forces and the 9 popped up everywhere, chuck in a couple of good finishers and they will be extremely hard to beat. However, Death Valley haunts most of us and many a tipster has been brought undone by this real advantage the home side has from playing at QP.
Good luck to the all the boys in what should be a great game.
Hopefully I will be watching an Aloys win over Knox. Enjoy.

 

[carl spackler]

Just an honest viewpoint. I have only seen Barker and Waverley play once this year and both games were against Aloys. The Waverley game was very close and easily could have gone either way. However, whilst Aloys were very courageous in the first half, the Barker boys turned it on and came away very convincing winners. The way they played their 4 and 5 as runners centrefield for gain-line pressure and then next phase at speed was really impressive.They also have a very aggressive defence, really committed. For mine everyone seems to talk about their forwards but their backline is impressive. The game i saw both centres and the fullback were positive forces and the 9 popped up everywhere, chuck in a couple of good finishers and they will be extremely hard to beat. However, Death Valley haunts most of us and many a tipster has been brought undone by this real advantage the home side has from playing at QP.
Good luck to the all the boys in what should be a great game.
Hopefully I will be watching an Aloys win over Knox. Enjoy.

I agree Richard that the Barker team is overall a notch above Waverley. My main concern with Waves is focused around their 10 and 12. These boys are both outstanding individuals and can dent most defences. I'm not sure, however, that they can get through the Barker inside backs.
Tomorrow's game will need a game manager, and as both boys are young, still new to 1st XV rugby, and quite unfamiliar with a game of such consequence, I'm not sure either has the ability yet to be this manager of play. On the other hand, the Nercessian/Dudley seem way more equipped to carry out this responsibility.
Still not sure how Nercessian is allowed to play, but that's already been flogged to death.
But the predicted 5000 crowd may mitigate everything.

 

[Show and go]

I agree Richard that the Barker team is overall a notch above Waverley. My main concern with Waves is focused around their 10 and 12. These boys are both outstanding individuals and can dent most defences. I'm not sure, however, that they can get through the Barker inside backs.
Tomorrow's game will need a game manager, and as both boys are young, still new to 1st XV rugby, and quite unfamiliar with a game of such consequence, I'm not sure either has the ability yet to be this manager of play. On the other hand, the Nercessian/Dudley seem way more equipped to carry out this responsibility.
Still not sure how Nercessian is allowed to play, but that's already been flogged to death.
But the predicted 5000 crowd may mitigate everything.

I think LHW and Ronald V will love the big stage tomorrow they have already played a SG ball and Harold matts season for the roosters along with Latham playing combined states (very strong last 2 games) and Ronald making NSW u16 schoolboys ,experience will not be the issue.

 

[CatchnPass]

Passionate and rowdy behaviour on the sideline is not immune to the Waverley College Old Boys.

Last year at Barker I was witness to an appalling display of abuse and bad sportsmanship from a "young" group of Barker Old Boys who had ventured down to Barker Oval No 1 from the local watering hole to watch the Waves v Barker 1st XV match.

Their language and abuse towards the Waverley players on the field and to the reserves on the bench was embarrassing and uncalled for. The language and abuse continued for the whole game, even when the Waverley College Headmaster walked over to them to have a word. The fact that no teachers or officials from Barker College went near the boys to speak with them to settle them down was very disappointing. The cynic in me says that they were a plant from the school to unsettle what was a champion Waverley team. Of course the Waverley boys had the last laugh by winning the game and the premiership, and when they pointed to the scoreboard, the Barker Old Boys unsurprisingly went very quiet all of a sudden and disappeared into the distance. It spoilt what was one of the best schoolboy games I have witnessed for many, many years.

I'm all for passionate and boisterous cheering and support for your team, but the Barker Old Boys stepped way over the line last year.

You are one hell of a cynic if you think Barker as an institution had any more to do with it than Waverley as an institution does the tanked OBs that regularly turn up on their Northern sideline and abuse visiting school boys who have the misfortune of being tackled over the sideline or throwing into a line out in that vicinity. I’m sure both the BC and Waves heads would consider it a pox on the way they are perceived to host a match and would love to stamp it out. If anyone has a simple and practical suggestion as to how I’m sure they would love to hear it.